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Thanks for the vouches and pings, Dammy and RSo. <3 | ||
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Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town. Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean. LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town. RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue. JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch. Trfel - | ||
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I also wasn't lurking, Dammy, wanted to address that. You personally know I no longer have internet at work and have to play from my tablet, being my Coach in the last Newbie Mini. Friday nights are painfully busy at work(I'm a doorman) so I honestly haven't come to this thread at all since I confirmed. Weekends are horrible for me and for that I apologize. Working on rectifying this with the second half of my post now. | ||
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Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town. GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? Also, the parallels drawn between you and Trfel's entrances by others don't sit well with me. I don't want to immediately sheep WW's reads on you 2 because I haven't fully looked into him yet but as of right now, without more meat from you(your last post that I'm aware of was asking DP for his reads, but you've only explained reads on LS and WW and a one liner about "Town" Damdred being inquisitive, please explain the rest of yours), I could be convinced to lynch you. You seem more interested in other people's reads now than explaining your own. You flipping scum would also make me lean that much more towards Trfel being scum. Breshke and LM need a bigger thread presence. Leaving work in 2 minutes but when I get home, I'll be able to see what was posted and respond if I have to. I haven't refreshed since I posted so I know where to pickup from. | ||
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I'm also not really sure why my argument against the setup is weird. When I read JJ's post, I checked the OP to see if there was a Doc/Cop setup. It took me a few seconds. I found it weird that JJB went on a Google search with this info instead of checking himself. What would stop him from checking all the possible setups when mentioning the setup being the reason he couldn't think of a plan? Only thing I could come up with is him possibly knowing the setup and not being interested in the alternatives. I won't put much weight on anything concerning setups after my balance theory regarding Doc and Vet(which was right btw) wasn't listened to but I still definitely felt it worth mentioning. Putting any thought out there is better than staying quiet any longer. | ||
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I read over your case on him and I do agree with one thing. He doesn't have genuine reads. He sheeped off of RSo last game and apparently looked to do so this game by asking for her early in the thread. I mentioned in the newbie game he did that same sheeping in the last Student Mafia with batsnacks. I was convinced he was scum last game, as he was in the last Student Mafia, but he flipped VT. It leaves me 50/50 on what he'll flip this time. I don't think he's my top lynch candidate yet, but I think I can be convinced depending on his defense. | ||
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Unlynchable - Geript - He's broken his 10 post limit, he really is helping Town and some of his questioning follows some of my trains of thoughts. I don't like lurkers and someone else who doesn't and is willing to pressure them seems Townie to me. The fact that I'm perceived as a lurker for coming in late is just something I'll have to swallow. DP- A good filter. You're analyzing and picking apart everyone's posts and suspicions on everything with no discrimination, which shows me you're trying to piece this game together and not sparing any feelings. You're also directly pushing people into the spotlight with questions and promoting conversation. Town can't afford to lose that. Who I want to lynch: LoneMeow - Lurker lynch/policy lynch. It's unfortunate but there always seems to be one or more scum members in every game that lurk or straight up AFK. In my 1 game of experience here(I KNOW, RIGHT?! So experience), 1 of the scum team members ended up being replaced for AFK so I know it isn't impossible. The few posts I saw were decent questions but nothing really stood out. GB - Refer to my read leaning scum on GB. GB has posted nothing since and I'd lynch for a lack of response to explanations for the driveby reads with only a few short explanations. It seem haphazardly thrown together, not thought out at all. Everyone else I've either gave reads on, am just now starting to feel out in the thread(Breshke) or want to see more from before I make a strong decision. This is all still a learning experience for me and I'd like to finally be right on a scum flip, for once. | ||
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DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows. | ||
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You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be. | ||
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I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also burning out. And what question are you talking about? I may have not seen it. If you think I'm not pressuring damdred enough, I don't know what to say. My filter is painfully small, this shouldn't have been hard to find. Not reading thread? On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? . Also, where did I say you weren't pressuring him enough? I just said the case was weak, not the pressure. You've been pushing your case hard even after it was picked apart but it doesn't make it any stronger. It also does strike me as odd that you basically abandoned your Geript scumread with no explanation. Even now as RSo pokes at him, I'm not seeing you run with it. | ||
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A bunch of responses to DP and none to me. A bunch of rage and then a give up GG post and a vote on...JJB? Not Damdred, who you cased. Not LM although you said you were going at lurkers. I'm going with my gut here. | ||
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My vote was and always has been between GB and LM. Why are you misrepresenting a statement that I said directly to you? On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon? I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. The fact that you quickly Towned him after saying you might be able to lynch him was off. I told you why I thought it was off. Scum are the only ones who know alignments. But seriously, pretending I said I was in between you and LM when I never did? All I did was cast suspicion on you, which I only have more of now, because I was looking for a 3rd scum member. Do I have to point out the fact that you were townreading me up until I questioned you giving GB a pass for unexplained reads and a weak meta case against you? If he flips scum, I wouldn't be surprised if you did, too, and vice versa. Regardless, though, you didn't scum me until I started questioning you. Even went so far as to lie. I don't like it. JJ and GB parroting your thoughts on this make it worse, since 3 is an important number here. Are you telling me all 3 of you couldn't bother to check my 1 page filter and see that I was in between LM and GB, not LM and Damdred? It doesn't seem to be asking a lot. | ||
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QUOTE]On January 19 2015 06:27 The Shining wrote: On January 19 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also burning out. And what question are you talking about? I may have not seen it. If you think I'm not pressuring damdred enough, I don't know what to say. My filter is painfully small, this shouldn't have been hard to find. Not reading thread? On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? . Also, where did I say you weren't pressuring him enough? I just said the case was weak, not the pressure. You've been pushing your case hard even after it was picked apart but it doesn't make it any stronger. It also does strike me as odd that you basically abandoned your Geript scumread with no explanation. Even now as RSo pokes at him, I'm not seeing you run with it. [/QUOTE] You also didn't address the fact that you were ready to sheep Damdred's misinformed interpretation of who my vote was between. I definitely do not like the banding together you guys are doing. It is almost as troubling as how blatantly you're avoiding me. Except for this: On January 19 2015 06:43 GlowingBear wrote: There are your scums showing their faces. Lynch TheShining. Period. For scumming you? For voting you? You've done nothing to convince me you are town and even less in the way of responding to any thing I say to you. You felt more scummy to me than WW, which is why my vote stayed. This feels more OMGUS than anything. | ||
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Its a bit moot now when there has been so much content since then but the question very simply was why you felt it necessary to dedicate an entire post to saying LS asking what's a BS meter was pointless when of all people, it is LS. Had you just answered, this would be done but your unwillingness to interact with me is just unsettling to me. The longer you went without responding to me or even acknowledging me, the more confusing it was. And again. The misrepresentation. Verbage is key when you're trying to pressure someone and you are using misinformed terms. I did not CHANGE my vote. My first and only vote was for you. I did try to push my scummiest scumread. It was you. I said that last night when I was asked who I would and wouldnt lynch. My very first read on you was one of the only ones leaning scum and I'll say again, you've shown me nothing that would definitively have me change my read on you. I voted you when I "didnt have to" because I was confident you would flip scum. Isn't that the goal of lynching? Everything you've done recently, from your Damdred push to falling back, to dropping the Geript pressure, to just throwing out a bunch of names that you want to see lynched(more than 3 names makes me think you don't care who dies), I can see coming from an unsure Town as well as a cornered scum with some experience. None of it yells town at me. For those of you that are strong towning GB, maybe you can help me see why? Damdred? LS? | ||
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Oh and that menacing post. Unfortunately you lived? That sounds pretty threatening and defensive for a Townie. If you're town, I'm glad you lived. If you're scum, I'm pissed we missed a shot at a D1 scumlynch. | ||
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