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rsoultin
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That's why I'm resistant to a Breshke lynch, because I don't understand why Damdred would choose to buss him in MYLO. And I don't understand anyone who has absolutely no doubts about who scum is, like Damdred demonstrated. It is legitimately as simple as who looks scummier than who to me. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:23 DarthPunk wrote: Well there are 5 players left not including yourself. You should kind of have an idea. Like just Through POE my solid townies I get you, Breshke, shining. It was Damdred's unvote. I think I fixed it now. Okay...I have to look at shining, again. But I didn't find a reason to scum him before and I don't remember seeing anything in particular to scum him since. As long as going back through his filter doesn't show me something I missed, he probably will still be a townread for me. I do have reasons to suspect you but I think your argument about you and Damdred not being a possible scumteam could hold merit. I need to think about it. Maybe both breshke and shining are scum, and my townreads are completely off, but that just...I know I've been wrong before but that would be so off-base...I still need to look into it. I don't think geript is scum. So I guess the best I can answer you DP is I have reasons to doubt my reads right now, cause I don't know how much sense they actually make. That's why I said I don't know. I could be OMGUSing Damdred and he's actually town, but I don't think so. I need some time to actually sit down and think about it all. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:25 DarthPunk wrote: I do. You know, have a case. Like are you even reading the thread. You keep doing fucky shit like that and it is incredibly off putting. I didn't see it. Let me read it. | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:54 DarthPunk wrote: I want to lynch breshke today. The vote yesterday being so close and contested like that is far far far more likely to come from a town/scum wagon than two town wagons. If yesterday is town/town I don;t see mafia bothering to contest it. I don't see why scum!Damdred tries to shenanigan off Town!LM onto Town!breshe as scum. It doesn't make sense. I don;t care what bullshit Rso and Breshe try to sell you. Also this vote count is pretty fucking damning: On one side is confirmed town LM, Both my town reads and I. On the other side is scummy Breshe, scummy Shining, and Scummy/townie/??? Rso. along with slam lite WHO SAID HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SWITCHED WAGONS. The inertia for the lynch yesterday for no good reason. In response to increasingly townie contributions from LM is scum Driven. SCUM WANTED TO LYNCH LM and the only way they could do that and save face was to pretend to afk. Further the way he is hard buddying Rso since the lynch yesterday is fucking off. Like he hasn't buddied anyone like that in this game and now it is mylo he is pulling out all the stops. Damdred looks townie since yesterday, and Honestly I don't think geript is capable of this kind of a performance if he is scum. So if you are scum geript gg. We lose. I don't really buy all that shit with breshke's phone, he hasn't made any of the deadlines iirc and we are in the same timezone so obviously he doesn't care that much about the outcome of lynches. As lynches are the biggest tool for town that looks bad to me. I actually think breshke could be scum with Shining this game instead of Rso, POE has 2 out of those three and even though damdred says he believes Rso could scum with such a huge filter it is a difficult proposition to come to terms with honestly. I also hate that breshke is pushing so hard for a no lynch rather than trying to lynch his top scum read. (I'm not even sure who that is at the moment) ##Vote: Breshe Obviously I have to be flexible with my vote cause it's lylo townies need to consolidate but Breshe is the best lynch today. He is the most likely to flip scum. TOWNIES! Lynch breshke with me. or be called bad in post game. As for RSO it reminds me of last game when people were not scum reading mafia in Imperial because of filter size. I said basically the same thing in that game as I have been in this game and I should have learnt my lesson. IF THE ONLY REEDEMING THING ABOUT SOMEONE IS THEIR FILTER SIZE THEY COULD VERY WELL BE SCUM. ...I actually like your case. I guess the problem I have with it is I'm the reason that lynch didn't go through. I know that. I'm also not scum. So that assumes that my two townreads are scum. ##unvote Just let me think for a bit without all the yelling, please. That would help. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:38 DarthPunk wrote: So basically you have no idea. And even the person you are pushing to lynch at mylo ITT you aren't sure about? Sigh. Last time I was sure I lynched a town, so it's probably better that I'm not, DP. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:04 The Shining wrote: Like I said, I've been wrong before, could be wrong again. This is why I want to see Damdred's case on RSo before making my final call on him. He's a big fat question mark for me right now and I'm hoping his case will either shed light on something I'm not seeing in the scum team of Bresh/RSo, since you two are going at him unopposed, or give me a clearer scum case on him, because I've been toying with the idea of him playing me all game. RSo yeah I meant to loosely comment on that DP interaction, actually. Filter size isn't neccesarily alignment indicative and yet its been brought up that your filter size is questionable if you were a newbie scum player. It does seem like a hell of a lot but HTS was one of our biggest filters last game, flipped scum. I can't rule it out on filter size alone, especially since some of your filter is those interactions with Geript and DP that seemed to hit dead ends. I kind of agree with JJB, honestly. It was a good thing to catch, Damdred swapped off pretty fast, but you ran with that one as far as you could go. For me, its a question of why is Damdred under scrutiny for swapping off of one Town wagon to another, sort of similar to how Geript did D1. And you gave Geript a pass. It makes sense at first glance but in the full game context, its not as consistent as I've seen you be. I initially gave geript a pass and then started suspecting him again when he reacted to trfel's red-check. It's in my filter somewhere I'm sure. I don't find it impossible for scum to switch from one town wagon to another if it makes a player look bad to be on a wagon that flipped town. Like I don't 100% agree that only town would move off a town wagon, but DP was right that the vote was close. I'm not sure if it wasn't just because I'm obstinate and they were both town, though. | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote: ...I actually like your case. I guess the problem I have with it is I'm the reason that lynch didn't go through. I know that. I'm also not scum. So that assumes that my two townreads are scum. ##unvote Just let me think for a bit without all the yelling, please. That would help. ##vote: no-lynch I want the extra time to figure this out. It can't hurt. I don't actually think there are so few smart people here that we can't figure it out if another town is night-killed. DP, the case kind of makes sense, but it assumes either I'm mafia, which isn't true and no one has proven, or the players who were AFK were AFK because they were scum. It's just based on a lot of assumptions and not an actual scum case against a player. Town vs. town lynches can be close, too. I want to really dive the individual players rather than speculate on whether the number of people on each wagon had any bearing on the alignment of the players or not when I was the only one on LM in-thread. I'll post some analysis here tomorrow night after work. I think it would be good for all of us to do that on our scumreads and try to hash this thing out. | ||
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On January 26 2015 21:54 Breshke wrote: But no lynching and geript dieing means we don't lost to a world that like no one has considered Absolutely this. geript, I think you're town because you are actually considering the possibilities instead of trying to punch through a lynch. These poe lynches based on shaky heuristics make my skin crawl. With 72 extra hours to talk things through, people can actually look through my 21 pages and catch something if I'm scum, yeah? Why didn't mafia kill you over JJB? That question bugs me when they still have a roleblocker. I don't think there's a good NK for mafia. I think the best explanation for you still being alive today is you're predisposed to not scumread them, and if that's the case...any NK they could make would be bad for them. It's perhaps a little tinfoil, but with the people who came out so vehemently against a no-lynch, that makes me feel I'm not on completely the wrong track. I think you're defaulting to Shining because you don't know what else to do. I don't think that's a good reason. If you don't think it's Breshke or me, Shining has to have a scum mate, and it has to be one of the people you keep thinking are town. All I want is a chance to really get into everyone's filters and find scum instead of a last-minute scramble, and I don't think mafia can make any more NKs without giving us some form of information. I really think the no-lynch is the best play here. Also, um, yeah. There's no reason for me to not switch wagons as mafia unless you assume Breshke and I are mafia. But like, the only reason people have to assume that is because the wagons were close? It's just plain stupid. Show me how bresh is mafia, or how I am, beyond a close vote. Super bad play. | ||
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On January 26 2015 22:46 DarthPunk wrote: Neither of you post anything for hours and then you both post big posts within 30 minutes of each other and they are backing each other up. And you are in completely separate time-zones. How convenient for you both. Add this to poe and the vote was close. DP, how is breshke scum? How am I scum? Who but mafia benefits from trying to fast-track a vote without thinking it through? If you're town, please take the time to really consider what you're doing. None of your arguments are real arguments. Posting within 30 minutes of each other doesn't make anyone mafia. It's just before 8 a.m. my time and I work at 9. As simple as that. | ||
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@dp...i was right on ls, jjb and trfel, all of whome you were wrong on. also ww. so my methods arent completely worthless. upu need to demonstrate why someone is scum r ather than make assumptions on unflipped wagons and base your /entire/ analysis on that. some is fine, but not the entire thing. @geript...a no-lynch with this much uncertainty on everyones part is not terrible. id rather be relatively certain tham hand the game over to scum yolo guessing shining and bresh scumteam is sort of a cop out imo without actually determining why theyre scummy. its not good enough just to say that the team /could/ work | ||
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geript, answer me this: why are both you and DP still alive when mafia still has a roleblocker? I've got schoolwork to do, but then I'll come back. If you have questions, I'll answer them. Otherwise just keep commenting on how weird it is that I'd know my own brother and the two players I've played with in every game here well enough to get a good read on them, lol. | ||
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I know it's the wifom one. but it is kind of odd that he's been so overlooked. I townread him for EoD 1, and I know this is different from where I normally play with him, but I don't think he's actually pushed anyone at all this game...which, at least in the less active one, he does a lot. | ||
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On January 27 2015 10:04 geript wrote: A point against Rsoultin is how not casual she was at the start. That's different from Carol and NLX. I didn't have a reason to be? Why are you ignoring my first game, geript? lol I called bats and oats the most scummy thing in the thread and got into a pissing contest with them. It just depends on the game. | ||
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On January 27 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote: I wouldn't say this is entirely true. He has been pushing people but its really mostly been whoever the thread was on at the time (LM and myself come to mind) Yeah. I probably overstated it. But usually like people will push someone independently of others' thoughts on that player, and I'm not sure I've seen that from him this game. It's worth looking into for sure. | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:36 Damdred wrote: Also I ackwoledge this earlier, but I'm not sure RS can be scum with bresh. So idk about rs Why are you so sure it's bresh, Damdred? Could you be wrong about shining? Nothing scummy jumped out at me in particular about shining, but forgettable and skating by seem to be accurate enough descriptions when all the rest of us newbies keep coming under fire. | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:45 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure about anyone right now. Could be wrong about everything honestly Yeah, I'm in the same boat, but still working on school. Gonna dive shining here in a bit and see if I agree with geript's case enough to be willing to sheep it. The last point resonated, though. I think the one with you, LM and GB was kinda already explained. And I know people have mentioned over-explaining things as scum before, but I don't really know how to differentiate that when it's not obvious like trfel's was. His null reads were full paragraphs. | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote: Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. What he's actually saying is he thinks I'm scum, Breshke. I suppose we'll see why when he comes back with whatever he's looking for. | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:19 DarthPunk wrote: Rso are you back from work? Just finished my schoolwork for the night. What's up? | ||
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rsoultin
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Uneven play. I've posted over 20% of the posts in this game. It would be stranger if it was perfectly even. My push on Trfel. Yeah, I did drop it, so I guess I can see your point there, but y'all were the ones calling it a terrible case, and only LM seemed even interested in it. Ironic how that plays out. I also do tunnel badly so I wanted to step back from it for a bit. The LM lynch was town, but it's not exactly alignment indicative for someone to stick to their guns. I can do that as either town who thinks they're right or mafia who just doesn't know what to do. If you're reading my old games, geript, it has to be pretty obvious that I'm an insanely stubborn player. And you don't know that breshke wasn't town so I'm not sure where you're getting this from anyway. JJB is my brother. I really don't know how else to say that. Maybe y'all aren't as close to family, or something, but yeah. I know the kid. He's not exactly the best liar in the world. I'm pretty sure I could tell if he was scum because it would be clear to me he didn't believe what he was saying. | ||
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