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DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
January 14 2015 15:03 GMT
#1341
fuck lol what if it's eden + loli? that would have been a nice play by eden to get loli that much needed town cread
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
January 14 2015 15:12 GMT
#1342
I say fuck it let's kill eden for this post

On January 11 2015 12:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Has anything happened since my last work shift started beyond sicklucker and LightningStrike trying to stir up bullshit power role WIFOM that no mafia will ever pay attention to?

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 14 2015 16:15 GMT
#1343
Why though?

You're not saying why.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 14 2015 16:17 GMT
#1344
On January 15 2015 01:15 batsnacks wrote:
Why though?

You're not saying why.

^This. You can't without reason. Why you hate that post from Eden? This question isn't aimed at you bats
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 16:29 GMT
#1345
On January 14 2015 23:56 liancourt wrote:
eden ur thoughts on mderg and drp

and u keep fencing bats read, but u always end as leaning town or slight town.

and u really really really hard hard hard defended that lala is town through vote analysis alone. Yes SL has also mentioned this. You put a lot of effort into defending lala but didnt mention lala content wise at all...ever in the game.

ur only ever scum read was oats and me. Considering i'm scum in ur eyes who is the remaining one. And when i flip town who is the hypo scum team left?

Already given thoughts on mderg and DrP. If you're town they're probably both mafia by POE. Neither of them seem all that suspicious to me, but with SL/LS/lala/me as town, the only other possibility is batsnacks, who...

I haven't hedged my bats read, I thought he was mafia #2 yesterday afternoon/evening but his posting after that was pretty good IMO. He's probably town, I don't think I'm going to kill him.

I haven't mentioned lala contentwise because I didn't have time to play during d2 when s/he finally said something and the vote results + Breshke's flip pretty much cleared him/her. I haven't had to.



This kind of questioning is a decent example of why liancourt is mafia. Aside from the lala point it's all just asking me to rehash what's already in my filter; the lala point looks like a decent question on the surface but actually isn't; and none of it seems to be leading anywhere useful. It's like I'm being quizzed to test my knowledge of my own reads.

On January 14 2015 23:53 DrParnassus wrote:
one more

i need to see more stuff from eden before I can decide on the lynch so please get some stuff out of him between now and deadline.

goodnight.

What more stuff? I've produced the most meaningful content this phase. My reads are pretty easy to find in my filter. What's your hangup with lynching liancourt, if you have one, and if not why not vote for him?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 14 2015 16:51 GMT
#1346
Eden could you comment on DrP's more recent activity? Like yes your older posts this phase were good but stuff has happened since then.

I ask because despite agreeing with what you said in your lian case I have a strong feeling he is town.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 16:59 GMT
#1347
In a few hrs after work
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 17:09 GMT
#1348
Nvm work is dead lol
And my manager today is more lax on phone use

DrP's recent activity doesn't particularly impress me. He flip-flopped on me for no reason I can see; just last night he says I'm probably town because my reads conflicted with prevailing sentiment, now he says I'm mafia because ???

He hasn't done anything in his recent set of posts to make me think he's town, so he's still in my POE kill pile
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 17:12 GMT
#1349
eden u are reiterating what was said ages ago. I'm asking what you think of them now content-wise not through POE. The fact that you're concluding ur reads on them through POE means that you are refusing to look at the filter and tell why they are this way for whatever reason. You have refused to mention drp and mderg for 3 days content wise. You just say i'm going to look at them, but you never did and you're concluding that they're scum through POE....

and ur read on bats is the opposite of mine. He was way more townie earlier in the game in my eyes, but you say he was scummy then, but when i see bats as lackluster recently you read him as townie??? What has bats done recently that made you read him as town???
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 17:27 GMT
#1350
I'm not refusing to read their content. It just hasn't left a strong impression alignment-wise.

Lets do it this way. If you don't like me POEing the game, which of the following townreads am I wrong on?
- batsnacks
- sicklucker
- LightningStrike
- lalalipop

If it's batsnacks like you say then who's the other partner and why? And why do you think batsnacks is more mafia for his posting of late?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 17:29 GMT
#1351
B/c to me it seems like batsnacks is actually trying to figure out the game now. He wasn't on d1 from my recollection and not as much on d2. His last 20 hrs has been more inquisitive than the rest of his game so far
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
January 14 2015 17:35 GMT
#1352
wow if you're mafia you deserve to win. You actually made a clever way to wiggle yourself out by counter questioning me and making me do the work while not giving any new reads yourself.

Why are u resfusing to comment on mderg when there has been plenty of content from him recently.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 18:02 GMT
#1353
Plenty? Pretty sure the thrust of it is "I'm not sheeping Eden," which I'm not sure I'm inclined to believe since he explicitly sad he was a couple times. I don't normally mind sheeping but:

(1) I haven't caught a mafia yet so there's nothing definitively distinguishing town from mafia. It's easy for mafia to sheep town onto town, harder for mafia to sheep town onto mafia.
(2) I have so many strong town reads that someone who isn't one of them and whose reads are in large part sheeped from me is more likely than normal to be mafia sheeping me.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 14 2015 18:20 GMT
#1354
Anyway you didn't answer my question. Which of my townreads is/are wrong and why?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 14 2015 18:34 GMT
#1355
bats can you explain your ninja vote for DrP? I all ears if you got a case of DrP being scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
lalalipop
Profile Joined January 2015
56 Posts
January 14 2015 19:05 GMT
#1356
On January 14 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Also when a Mafia call a player Town it like almost certain that they are really are town.


I'm popping in for 10 minutes to say that this comment is not valid.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 14 2015 19:07 GMT
#1357
On January 15 2015 04:05 lalalipop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Also when a Mafia call a player Town it like almost certain that they are really are town.


I'm popping in for 10 minutes to say that this comment is not valid.

Okay explain how it's not valid then? It's a rule of thumb I learned from experience with playing with vets. It's normally applied to the weakers as far I can tell.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
lalalipop
Profile Joined January 2015
56 Posts
January 14 2015 19:15 GMT
#1358
On January 15 2015 04:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 04:05 lalalipop wrote:
On January 14 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Also when a Mafia call a player Town it like almost certain that they are really are town.


I'm popping in for 10 minutes to say that this comment is not valid.

Okay explain how it's not valid then? It's a rule of thumb I learned from experience with playing with vets. It's normally applied to the weakers as far I can tell.


Look at it this way, when mafia calls someone town, that someone can be A) Town or B) Mafia.

If the person is A) Town, the mafia probably did it either as an excuse to show he had tons of reads, or he have plotted some stupid strategy to kill that guy off so that he looks very good for the death.
Or, he don't want to call that person mafia since its hard to do so.

If the person is B) Mafia, the mafia probably did it either to fill in the gaps (most mafia go for some townreads on mafia and some scumreads on the other mafias) or he did it because that person is the weaker player in their team, and would flip mafia. He would gain town cred too.

Even from a mathematical perspective, 11 town 3 mafia, to call someone town (given you called 3 person mafia, regardless of which 3), it would be 11/14 chance anyone would be called town if he is mafia. Of course, how good the town player is will heavily affect this statistic (less scum will call a good player mafia, they're fighting uphills to lynch him)
lalalipop
Profile Joined January 2015
56 Posts
January 14 2015 19:18 GMT
#1359
of course, there are a ton of reasons a mafia would want to call a town player town, but there are also a lot of reasons why mafia would call another mafia town, so its not 90% like you claimed. More like 50:50
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
January 14 2015 19:20 GMT
#1360
On January 15 2015 04:15 lalalipop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 04:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 15 2015 04:05 lalalipop wrote:
On January 14 2015 23:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Also when a Mafia call a player Town it like almost certain that they are really are town.


I'm popping in for 10 minutes to say that this comment is not valid.

Okay explain how it's not valid then? It's a rule of thumb I learned from experience with playing with vets. It's normally applied to the weakers as far I can tell.


Look at it this way, when mafia calls someone town, that someone can be A) Town or B) Mafia.

If the person is A) Town, the mafia probably did it either as an excuse to show he had tons of reads, or he have plotted some stupid strategy to kill that guy off so that he looks very good for the death.
Or, he don't want to call that person mafia since its hard to do so.

If the person is B) Mafia, the mafia probably did it either to fill in the gaps (most mafia go for some townreads on mafia and some scumreads on the other mafias) or he did it because that person is the weaker player in their team, and would flip mafia. He would gain town cred too.

Even from a mathematical perspective, 11 town 3 mafia, to call someone town (given you called 3 person mafia, regardless of which 3), it would be 11/14 chance anyone would be called town if he is mafia. Of course, how good the town player is will heavily affect this statistic (less scum will call a good player mafia, they're fighting uphills to lynch him)

Fair enough. Also can you tell me your reads before you go?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
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