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Ok. So...rsoultin. The bulk of my case on rsoultin does not come down to individual posting analysis but by posts vs actions.
Firstly: her opening. Whilst people have argued that its not exactly out of the ordinary I didn't like the surface-level questioning going on. To quote myself:
On January 06 2015 01:32 -Celestial- wrote:
My logic is something like this: there seemed to be a lack of interest in actually identifying what someone is but more looking for anything that might indicate someone is different from the rest. A tell that just indicates that someone is a little bit different. But that could mean either mafia or a blue and you can't know which without working out a more detailed read. Who would just want to know if someone is "different"? Well, the mafia of course, because they KNOW they're scum, so anyone who is different from the rest and not one of them is a blue. So by jumping about any tells found are likely to be indicative of blues, since they already know the mafia. A VT or blue wouldn't necessarily know if certain tells were because of scum or a fellow blue; which means their hunting would feel different to this.
What it came down to for me is that, in contrast to ExO's early bouncing around which appeared to have some merit because of the quick analysis every single one of his bounces seemed to contain...rsoultin just seemed to be poking people for a reaction, any reaction. Which to me read like she already knew who the mafia were and therefore any unusual reaction would be a blue. Admittedly not the most conclusive of evidence but it was what set me on the path of being suspicious.
Ok so moving onto the second point. Her early replies. Consistently replying to people. Good. Didn't OMGUS me despite my initial read. Calm response which is good but for one she's a more experienced player so should know that OMGUS is a poor play anyway and secondly I think was the only one who was reading any scum on her? Not 100% here but I think I was, so nothing to panic about. Reads on Shining and calls him out for copying my explanation. More townie stuff. Called out Tube for effectively OMGUSing ExO. Tentatively implies a Shining vote but locks in nothing. Which isn't too bad at this stage because its only about two hours into the second half of D1. But its the first step in the long road to the D1 blue lynch. Moves the discussion onto LS but reads him as possible town due to meta.
Interestingly at this point rsoultin contradicts LS when he brings up that the case against Shining appears to be just meta. Some kind of deliberate attempt to work with LS to distance themselves from each other? i.e. LS brings up a weak argument against rsoultin's main read and rsoultin bats it down? Not sure, its possible I guess.
Later she says she's ok with LS, enough not to D1 lynch. These two things together give me a slight feeling that if LS flips mafia rsoultin might do too. But this also implies to me that Shining and LS are probably on opposite sides. So if one side is mafia the other isn't. Hence my earlier difficulty of the fact I think both of them feel scummy. That being said, rsoultin did not go through with the D1 lynch vote on Shining so maybe they could be together after all, with LS bussing Shining because Shining was in a weak position? Not sure because her case against Shining was very strong indeed. This is getting a bit convoluted. Lets move on.
rsoultin goes on to try to cross-examine Shining a bit which is good again.
THEN comes the big part. Point three...the mislynch. rsoultin parks the vote on WW to get him talking. Despite the suspicions she wants to give Shining a chance to speak, which isn't alignment indicative but only a few hours earlier she'd been citing it as her top scumread and even mentioned to Tubesock that it was likely to be her vote.
In the meantime she goes back to address the bluehunting thing. I'm not entirely sure what brought that on because the only discussion about it by that point was me saying "To me at that point rsoultin looked to me like she was bluehunting" and Tube saying that at that point he thought ExO had looked like he was bluehunting. There were no direct accusations. Her reply was well thought out anyway, but it seemed to somewhat miss the original point I'd made. I put that down to misinterpretation though.
Anyway the vote does get him talking a bit. But then posts what I found to be the most surprising comment of all:
i want to lynch shining. i will settle for ww.
Before stating that she had 20 minutes and then her vote was locked.
Ok, lets review...she had spent a long time building up Shining as a lynch target but made literally no effort to change anybody's minds. The current votes at the time were 4 on WW and 1 on Shining with 3 on LS. But at least three of those votes on WW (rsoultin herself, Tubesock and LS) were absolutely ACTIVE during this time period. Just TWO of those changed would have made it 3 on Shining to 2 on WW. Trfel was also actively on at that point and indeed later changed his vote (just a fraction after rsoultin left unfortunately). And yet rsoultin didn't change her vote; despite the fact that a large part of the reason for people even being on WW in the first place was sheeping her. She even went so far as to make an argument against Shining about twelve minutes before leaving but STILL didn't change despite knowing that people were active in the thread.
What would be the scenario if she'd changed? 3 on WW, 2 on Shining and 3 on LS. I think WW would still be lynched under those circumstances but Trfel was to later change as a result of rsoultin's comments (from LS to Shining) and given LS's sheeping onto rsoultin its quite likely a change there too. Who knows what Tube might have done? I'd already posted that I was on jarjar but I think from my posts it was fairly obvious I was looking for a reason to change; though one might argue its not fair for her to know that. And ok so she couldn't have known Trfel's change was coming but there still doesn't appear to be a strong reason not to change to try and drive the vote switch.
My thoughts on why: If rsoultin is town then unless she is incredibly sure that LS is less mafia than WW there appears to be no reason not to change votes to Shining and try to encourage people to do the same. The only way LS gets lynched is if nobody switches off him and only rsoultin switches to WW (I'm going to just assume that Shining would have voted LS as a counterwagon here, though jarjar was still to vote too). There was a very high chance of other people switching with her vote switch since the WW train started entirely BECAUSE of her original vote. Then rather than attempting to go for a read she had already detailed in full...and indeed reinforced by her last analysis post before leaving...she just left the vote on a relatively weak pressure vote train that had started.
So then she's away. Then the flip. Then back in with pointing fingers over the whole thing. That isn't necessarily alignment indicative because everyone was annoyed by the blue kill, but as the chief architect of that kill the attempts to shift the blame were somewhat over the top. Two people were already heavily implicated (Tube and LS), but rsoultin explicitly calls out those on the periphery (myself because of a wasted vote and Shining who was transparently counterwagonning, despite claiming otherwise). We had some very long discussions about that whole thing which were...kinda resolved kinda not I guess? Difference of opinion on approach to voting I suppose, but reflecting on the votes themselves it was actually a lot closer and more likely to change around the time rsoultin was on than she implied in those discussions. Sure there was one vote on Shining, but since extra votes would be coming from WW's total it would flip around fast.
Since then its been a lot of talk about Shining and things like that. Nothing much alignment indicative. Calling out tube for not posting, that kind of stuff. Back to the routine of hunting.
But in short my feeling comes from the way the whole of Day 1 was approached and concluded. She opened with a lot of surface-level probing at people which wouldn't have shown very much at all apart from possibly given away that someone was something (which could be blue or scum). Then moved onto Shining hard for most of the day only to suddenly turn around and dump the vote on WW as a pressure vote. And then leave it there, even though people were in thread to change their vote, despite acknowledging she had a better read on Shining. Conveniently away for the vote itself she then comes back outraged that the blue was lynched.
Of course this could have happened if she is mafia or town. Mistakes happen. But as a narrative I can't help but get a mafia vibe off it. Hard push on Shining but getting no blue reads off him. So instead take a shot at an inactive player, WW, to try to flush him out as well; you've already got a case on Shining to fall back on (lets leave aside the issue of whether Shining is involved in this for now, it hurts my head to work it out). Make a token effort to further push your case against Shining but keep the vote and consequently the pressure on WW. You've already made an excuse for likely missing EoD so you can afford to just afk now and see where the chips fall; if you get a sudden blue reading on anyone you can always come back in at the end to argue your case and try to flip it onto someone else. After WW claims blue, celebrate because job done. Come back in afterwards to complain about everyone having lynched a blue whilst you weren't around and you're away smelling of roses.
Alternatively it could just be a crap situation of a mislynch going through because of a judgement call on a vote change and people sheeping it and being unwilling to change votes. Either way I don't think this is entirely without merit.
In short: I like rsoultin's analysis, but I'm not sure about what she's actually doing with it. The two do not seem to align. She's made several arguments against this and I've bought some of it, but as a whole the thing still seems extremely fishy; and as a more experienced player I'd expect her to be less blatant anyway.
I should go. I'm exhausted, been here for hours now (this post literally started when I posted that last one so its been about an hour twenty to an hour and a half of solid writing and digging up the details I could find, I'm wrecked so I'm sure there's a mistake or two in here; but you wanted an analysis of someone I was leaning scum with, here's one here).
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Anyway, there you go, ExO. You wanted some stuff and there it is.
Tube wanted it too but I believe he's already tunneling on me on the basis of NK analysis so...yeah.
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Also...of course...nothing personal rsoultin. Its just how I've seen your overall posts go. I know we've discussed it in bits and pieces over time but as a whole I'm still suspicious.
Anyway, goodnight.
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Oh and I'm sorry I can't answer more questions tonight. Thing is I've been actively writing and getting bombarded with stuff for something like six hours straight now by a bunch of people (I started addressing stuff at like quarter to 8 or something, its ten to two in the morning right now and I've only moved for a twenty minute break to get food). I'm exhausted and my mind is totally fatigued. I badly need a rest.
I'll try to make sure I've not missed any by checking over tomorrow. Goodnight.
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On January 09 2015 11:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Finally as I have just mentioned with Tubesock and discussing Silverarte, I'd also like to see (when you are back in thread) some discussion of Rasputin's D2 activity.. You obviously think she is scum, so I would imagine there is some reasoning behind her current/latest actions where you feel that read has not changed.
So when you return I'd like to see that when you can.
rsoultin D2 hasn't been doing much of suspicion for me because, again, its actions vs language for her for me. And at the moment we're at the point of "language" whereby its just questioning people, and her questioning has been good. Jumping on my train isn't alignment indicative particularly (despite the temptation for me to OMGUS it) because there's a bunch of people on it right now anyway. I'm not going to outright condemn someone just for voting for me.
On January 09 2015 12:21 The Shining wrote:@Celestial, one townread is one townread. 2 townreads is a couple. Explain to me how 3 reads leaning town so early in the game is not a bunch? As I mentioned in the post you responded to, I've learned that Mafia, especially Day One, likes to hide behind those big posts with a couple of town reads to hopefully gain some credit. It doesn't escape me that your 3 Town reads were: Trfel - NK. He didn't like your big post but never got to elaborate on you. Confirmed town. ExO - Aside from me not liking his early attacks with too little follow through for my liking, most everyone here liked his play and the points he made. I'm almost willing to chalk it up to my newb play and meta bias from past games with him that I seem to be the odd one out but it's convenient that he's a Town read for you, too. It's almost too easy to sheep multiple players believing ExO is town. Shining - Me. I had already been under suspicion for my questioning Soultin and HTS. It's another free town read for you as scum. Why were you one of the ones Town reading me for the same posts everyone else was scumming me? Because you expected my wagon to pick up more. Once I flip town, you can say "I told you so, guys, let's stop mislynching" and try to lead the discussion. Sort of what you did with WW. Although you didn't Town him, you did go "against" his lynch, somewhat. However, after looking at the Voting Thread and your filter, this troubles me: Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 23:33 -Celestial- wrote:On January 06 2015 23:19 rsoultin wrote:
Okay. Parking my vote on the waffle or now. It took prodding to get him to post in the first place...after boldly proclaiming he was getting a ton out of people's wording without any follow-through as ExO pointed out...and then his post was on just one of HTS'. Since then (and that was early in the day) he's done diddly. I tend to agree with this assessment to be honest. I had WW down as leaning scum right from his early attempt at analysis but its just gotten drastically worse since then. See, you go from scumming WW to saying it has gotten worse. However, once WW's train received it's 3rd vote, you started backpedaling. Probably to have some deniability on the wagon you wanted to go through? Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 01:43 -Celestial- wrote:Ok I've taken the time myself to read over the evidence that LS presented and...actually its pretty convincing. Although I think meta reads, especially based on just one game, can easily be manipulated he IS playing this very similar to the way he has in the past and it IS from three separate games so...yeah well done there. I can't in good faith vote LS anymore. His playstyle is just too consistent between townie games there and it has severely shaken my confidence on it. I don't really know playstyles very well of course but those links were fairly convincing. Of course LS could be deliberately selecting evidence but it doesn't feel like that, it feels more like a genuine attempt at convincing. Not a D1 lynch for me anymore. I'm going to take a chance and remove my vote from there and put it on someone else. Its between WW, Shining and jarjar for me, as per my reads earlier. I agree with Tube, WW isn't the best candidate. His opening post was weak and he's said nothing since then but that isn't enough for me to lynch him at this early stage. I'd like to see more from Shining before I could put a vote down there. So I guess I'm going with jarjar for now since I have to vote for SOMEONE and frankly I really don't like his posting at all, it looks really scummy; was also the second highest read on my list so... ##Unvote
##Vote: jarjarbinksOn January 07 2015 01:18 Tubesock wrote:
-Celestial-
Why is Rsoultin more scummy than Gumdrops, Trfel, Silver, and me? I get why you town ExO so hard, and HTS but not the next 3 on your list? I think I'm still somewhat tainted by rsoultin's original impression on me. I really, really didn't like what appeared to be bluehunting (the reasoning for which I posted a little while back, I can quote it if you like). Though she has improved somewhat since that I'm still wary. Gumdrops I've just flat out not seen enough from to make much of a judgement call. Same with Trfel. But both of them posted something that appeared to be reasonably thought out so slight leanings towards town. Trfel also stated in advance he wouldn't be around for a bit and Gumdrops just seems awkward about posting. I can't condemn either of them to scum for that. Silver I have literally no idea about, as I posted. I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts because to me it just appears to be a mix. You didn't start great which is why I leaned you towards scum, but I didn't find your opening to be as scummy as rsoultins was and you've both improved in my eyes to the point where you're both back to neutral. But since rsoultin started off with slightly more damning posts you're slightly more in the townie direction than she is. All of your "lynching WW is silly" was after the wagon already picked up speed. I've already explained why you'd throw away a vote as scum once the lynch already looks secured. Also, as EoD got closer, I asked my question about ties. At that time, it was WW's 4 to my 3. Your question was: Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 08:55 -Celestial- wrote:On January 07 2015 08:54 Trfel wrote:
In the case of a tie, the first person to receive that number of votes would die. So even if someone other than WW got a vote he'd still die? This was your opportunity to figure out if you needed to join one of the main wagons or not. If ties end in no lynch, you'd vote either WW or myself in order to ensure a town mislynch. Also, can I point out(since I filter-dove you pretty hard) that you also scummed Tube, but sheeped his WW read? It's quoted above but you said "I agree with Tube, WW isn't the best lynch for today." And I just hit Celestial's massive post on my case. First, a case on LS when we've all beaten it to death and now me, pretty much the only other viable wagon besides yourself(who you can't vote) and LS(possible scum partner)? I guess I'd pick the easy way, too, if I were scum. Let me finish reading up but I'm interested to see how many of these bullets are parrots off of others. Also, you're scumreading me after I scumread you. Convenient. More to follow after reading Celestial's case against me and everything after.
Why are you flat out lying about the course of events? Did you somehow miss the part that RIGHT AFTER rsoultin posted about voting WW I posted my set of reads in order of town to scum in which I cited my most likely scum were LS, then jarjar, then you, THEN WW?
I DID feel that the WW lynch was silly because I felt both you and jarjar were better lynches. But I did NOT feel strongly enough about it to change the course because I still had some suspicion on the guy. AND I've been scumreading you since then too. Proof:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=17#322
This post listed my town to scum reads in order of most likely on the scale. At which point you had been scumreading ExO as far as I know, not me. So actually, YOU'RE the one scumreading me AFTER I scumread you. AND you're lying about my views on WW, jarjar and yourself. AND you're deliberately misrepresenting me to get on a train that you had absolutely nothing to do with but is a nice easy target. "Convenient."
But you know. Whatever. I don't care anymore. I spent six hours last night dealing with condescending attitudes from people when questioning me. And now all three of my scumreads have found reasons to get on that train. Nobody is listening to a goddamn thing I say evidently. People are flat out lying and misrepresenting everything I say and not a single person apparently cares to actually notice that.
I was slightly wound up last night by people's attitude but coming in and seeing MORE of the same has just completely turned me off playing. Do whatever you want. I'm not doing this anymore. You've treated me like shit with the condescending attitude and I'm severely hacked off. Go ahead. Lie some more about me. I've played this game completely straightforward but people insist on twisting stuff around.
I am done with this. AFK.
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Oh. And if you MUST know...I'm the Doc. I put the N1 save on ExO because he was my top townread, he's posting good stuff but is also kinda quiet so I figured he might be an easy target for the NK since the bigger talkers are the more obvious medic saves.
Yes, it was trying to double-guess the mafia team somewhat but it seemed a good idea at the time.
Not that it matters now anyway.
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Also nice to note that this is the SECOND blue train that a bunch of people have been on.
rsoultin noteworthy for being the one who started the first and laid some groundwork for this one right after citing Shining as a top scumread on both occassions. And Silver for diving in here, dropping the vote on each occassion, and then largely disappearing again.
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I'm fed up of this anyway. Vote me or don't, I'm tired of this game. If I survive the day I'll at least make sure to be on for the Night so I can try to save somebody, I'm not going to just throw the game away outright, but I'm fed up of trying to explain to people my reads only to have them go "nooo" and then misquote stuff at me.
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On January 10 2015 01:15 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2015 01:13 -Celestial- wrote:
Also nice to note that this is the SECOND blue train that a bunch of people have been on.
rsoultin noteworthy for being the one who started the first and laid some groundwork for this one right after citing Shining as a top scumread on both occassions. And Silver for diving in here, dropping the vote on each occassion, and then largely disappearing again. Assuming rsoultin is mafia. You really believe she *knows* who 2 of our blues were before they claimed?
No, I didn't outright say that. But it still makes me uncomfortable, especially given jarjar's story outlining how she might have played D1 (providing excuses for not being around EoD whilst actually being around to see the blue claim).
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In any case the people on both wagons have been: Silver, rsoultin, Tube and LS. For the most part quick to jump on the trains in question too. I could buy a couple of sheeping cases there, but not everyone just blindly jumping on.
I'm going for a shower now. Guess I'll look back later after EoD to see if I have to send in my night save or not. Bye.
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Apparently I didn't get lynched. Unfortunately now I'm bloody useless because one of two things will happen this night:
1. Mafia kills me
2. Mafia roleblocks me (assuming they have a roleblocker) and just parks it there for the rest of the game
Given that I think the first is more likely...goodbye and good luck.
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Roleblocked as expected. What a bloody nuisance. -_-
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If anyone is wondering why I put the save on rsoultin: she's been talking a lot and in the last few pages has been saying not to lynch me D3 because its easier to just ignore me.
Consequently if they weren't actually going to kill ME then the next obvious target would seem to be her. Which quiets a voice saying I shouldn't be lynched D3. Expect the mafia to push my lynch hard today.
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Or at least that's how I read her posts.
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On January 12 2015 07:30 Silverarte wrote:
(Nothing personal Celestial! And a belated happy birthday!)
Of course its not personal. And you're actually very early, it only just ticked over midnight here for me. Thanks anyway. 
Anyway since I have no way to prove credibility to anyone unless the mafia doesn't roleblock me and I hit a lucky save I'm just throwing a post in to say hi so I don't get modkilled for inactivity. I'll remember to put up a vote when everyone decides what train is going today so I don't get modkilled for that either but don't expect too much activity today. For one there's not a lot of point (since I can't prove my innocence) and for two I'm not spending a lot of time on here on my birthday. ;P
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Wait, Silver claimed Cop? Well that's interesting...I missed that earlier and actually gives me something to think about. Originally I was just going to sheep whatever but maybe I can still work this out. She's been very quiet so far which I guess tallies with having something to hide, right from the beginning in fact, her filter is virtually nonexistent. Seems somewhat strange to have three blue roles in a newbie game, possible I guess. I mean WW flipped blue and I know I'm blue so I'm looking at Silver and trying to work out if its a legit claim.
Seems like a very good time to claim either properly or just to throw us off the scent honestly (as opposed to my losing my temper). With the game being a bit precarious a mafia claim now lets the whole game become imbalanced. How would a mafia play it though...claim two town investigated to try to hide? Claim one town for legitimacy and one mafia to provide them with cover? Hard to say. :-\
Your claimed checks aren't bad, but they're not amazing either. They reek of trying to "confirm townies" rather than seek mafia; and you already pointed out the weakness of that with respect to a possible Godfather. So I guess my first question to try to tease this out is: You want to elaborate on why you picked so "safe" checks, Silver?
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Well I'm off out very very soon (its today my birthday, not yesterday) for a meal.
Anyway. Very quick read rundown of everyone, been lurking a bit:
- Silver I'm very dubious of the claim. Like I said the other day since I know I'm blue and since WW flipped blue it makes me cautious. But on the other hand with the tiny filter I don't know what to do with her. Not really a viable lynch just yet but I've got a very bad feeling about her.
- Tube been asking good questions and giving good answers. Town.
- ExO I've been pretty highly townreading most of the game but the whole Godfather discussion going on the past couple of days has thrown a spanner into that a bit. Really not feeling good on him right now as a result but could be thread influence on my feelings here, which could come from anywhere.
- scott is replacement. He's been asking good questions and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game.
- JJB as I've pointed out before I was originally heavily scumreading. But ever since the D1 lynch he's really stepped up his game. Pretty sure he's town at this point but I guess he could be duping me.
- HtS is much like Tube. Asking good questions, giving good answers.
- Shining I've never really liked the play of and had suspicions on all game which haven't gone away. Think this is our best chance to secure a mafia lynch.
Therefore:
##Vote: The Shining
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Some thoughts from my perspective. Bloody hard to play as mafia side in your very first game of forum mafia.
Anyway...I have to give a shoutout to rsoultin. You were the only person I actually felt pressured on my actual scum moves from. I wasn't lying in that mafia QT...everything I did D1 was basically 100% what I'd have done as town; although admittedly I probably was slightly less likely to move off the JJB vote in response to the blue claim than I would have otherwise been (that being said...I'm not sure I'd have changed or not even so, I was very much with LS on that point in that it just didn't feel right). Ok...it might not have been very GOOD town play but I can honestly say its pretty much what I would have done for my first game. Frankly I had zero reason for not playing as I would have played as town because honestly everyone seemed on the wrong tracks D1.
For D2 rsoultin put some nice pressure on me to the point where I genuinely felt threatened, all credit to you there. That was kinda scary. What totally threw my game and made me want to give up though was the bloody six-hour inquisition I was later subjected to. It felt meaningless as it felt like 95% of what I was being called out on was stuff that I would have done whether mafia OR town (because basically all of my D1 filter is what I'd have said as town). After that point I literally didn't give a damn about the game and I flat out wanted out. I was on the point of getting myself modkilled just to get away. I was pissed off and utterly fed up of playing. On top of the being called out for what I'd do as town thing there was the outright lies about my post progression. That was unbelievably frustrating and frankly I didn't want to play anymore. Though I eventually decided that I wasn't going to throw HtS under the bus like that by just outright giving up but I didn't have an out, so I thought about how to do damage.
Honestly without HtS there I WOULD have forfeited so thanks. Sincerely.
I'd been toying a little in the mafia QT with the idea of claiming a role (I mention claiming doc at 436 and cop at 462) but nothing serious. At that point I was just looking to throw out whatever I could to do as much damage as possible since the train felt fairly solid. Then Geript gave me the push to claim doc at 481 and...well the rest is history. It kinda blew the game open.
Honestly I wasn't expecting anything at all to come from that claim and I was exhausted. I was surprised that I'd apparently survived the train on D2, so I figured I'd just stick to posting like I was sulking. It gave me a reason for just keeping the hell out of the thread honestly, even if it made me look terrible. I figured I wouldn't last another day either way plus everyone had massive suspicion on me so absolutely everything I posted wouldn't be believed except to analyse for clues for mafia. Basically I was fatalistic...I knew I'd flip red on D3 and frankly it seemed an auto-lynch so I wanted to absolutely minimise the damage that flip would do by just basically not talking. I think we'd discussed as an outside possibility the idea of playing it as "mafia left me alive because they can just nullify me" but I honestly didn't believe that was a saving move. I was 100% dead as far as I could see. But as time went on everyone got on the "lets not lynch him D3 because its what the mafia would want!" train and I absolutely wasn't going to oppose that but I was pretty blown away that was actually happening.
It honestly still felt I was under a serious risk of a last minute train right up to the end. With that in mind I decided to just stay quiet, post minimally, and with my last set of reads (because I had to post SOMETHING) I figured that the best play was to vote on Shining whilst citing JJB as town. Doing those pretty heavily implicates JJB as mafia because people think I'm mafia and it just comes across as sloppy and desperate mafia play to anyone watching me, when in reality I was just trying to keep anyone from deciding to train on me (since by this point I'd pretty much outed myself, but nobody outright decided to lynchtrain me for it apparently). Ultimately though I felt it was a good setup if the game went further. By voting for Shining after wasting a vote on JJB D1 I tried to make JJB look really bad, so even if everyone decided last minute to switch and string me up, I might at least take JJB down the day after with me.
I absolutely should have been lynched D3 to be honest. No question. I'm actually pretty blown away that I survived.
Oh and a quick note to geript's analysis:
@geript: I put a reasoning down for a save on rsoultin because according to the role descriptions people are not informed if they're RBd. So I felt like I had to explain how I knew I'd been RBd. Probably unnecessary on reflection but still.
Wrapping up thoughts are that rsoultin really picked away at the scummy parts of my play D2 but then I got hammered by stuff that felt totally unrelated to that. Or more specifically either addressed stuff I'd have done as town anyway, rehashed arguments that rsoultin made and flat out lied about what I'd done. That was exhausting and outright depressing and frankly has made me feel like I don't think I'm going to play another game. I should have pushed to get back in the game more after D2 but honestly I was almost totally spent and sick of it all. I actually got chest pains as a result of that six hour session, broken only by dinner, it was horrible; and whichever side I'd been on you WOULD have found me scummy at that point because I was totally exhausted and posting garbage. So yeah, I pretty much gave up on trying to convince anyone of anything and was ultimately extremely surprised to find myself given a free pass from a simple destabilisation claim.
Also I think I had a tendency to get somewhat wrapped up in planning ahead. On D1 I had two or three different plans that had developed from what had been happening in thread as a way to get rsoultin mislynched because right throughout we (mafia team) were scared of a medic save on rsoultin, her seeming the obvious target. In the end it didn't matter because there wasn't a medic. But I was very caught up in the whole "getting her to look guilty" and perhaps a little tunnel visioned on that objective.
Anyway. My thanks:
- rsoultin. Out of everyone you genuinely threatened my more scummy actions and attitude on D2. Good reads, even if the medic claim totally threw you for a loop. My D1 play was pretty genuine, but I started losing control of the situation somewhat when you started picking away at the genuinely scummy stuff I was starting to post D2 after the lynch. Also trying to NK you was SCARY because we were terrified of a wasted kill.
- HtS. For keeping me in the game. I outright would have just quit if you'd not been around to chat to at that point. Also my confidence that you could have carried even if that lynch had gone through is unshaken. You're a better player than you give yourself credit for. 
- kitaman27. Thank GOD you found us a replacement because I was looking to be lynched and a lynch and a modkill on two of the mafia would have really hurt after a great start of a blue lynch. Also to scott for stepping up for us.
- geript. For giving me the push I needed to actually go through with the idea of claiming something, and for recommending it be a doc claim. When I posted those thoughts I was just throwing out ideas, wouldn't have actually done it without encouragement because at that point I was just spent to be honest.
- sicklucker. Just there tons and provided a ton of good advice to the whole mafia team. Much love.
Still not sure I want to play ever again (that D2 stuff really, really got me down honestly; I don't know what to do about this whole thing now). But it was nice to win the game more or less on my birthday.
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On January 13 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:39 geript wrote:On January 13 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:
Now you know why the mafia qt was about the size of the game Hey, I did not post that much in mafia QT. I'd guess that 90% of QT was Half and Celestial talking to each other. Yea, two of us being the same timezone I think helped with coordination and such, we just kept at it.
That was a pretty massive help. That being said it left holes in coverage somewhat. And we had to be careful not to make it super obvious when we were coordinating on things. But I think we got off to a decent state where we'd each have our own thing to post about, but we'd be able to run it past each other first. So it was less obvious.
Advantages and disadvantages.
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In any case I think HtS played great throughout. scott did the best he could but he'd been left severely in the hole from the lack of posting from Gumdrop. My D1 play was just more or less townplay, then I just got totally walled with questions D2 and gave up; so basically terrible.
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