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For 20 people scum should win after 4 misslynches. If they got 1kp + x shot vigi, it is acceptable they can win after night 3 if they hit with all kp and townvigi shot town. And if you like to use strong roles, I suggest some outs to prevent blues from winning games alone. Sane cop begs for an unaware miller and gf. Or withour miller/gf for sure a framer. Framer is such a beautiful role. Doc is fine. Just make sure that scum actually can kill people. Because 1 kp is not a lot. Imo in big games scum should have 2 at least for the first 2 nights. Doc(notification given on safe)/cop/vigi/veteran(rb + shot = ded) vs 3shot-vigi/framer/rb (notification given on rb)/goon/goon 15 vs 5 14 vs 5 11 vs 5 10 vs 5 8 vs 5 7 vs 5 5 vs 5 ( scum wins end of n3) This is without modkills. And scum hitting everything. If town lynches the framer first scum got rb left. if town lynches the rb first scum got framer left. no 2 protection roles so double stacking is an option. if the 3 shot vigi gets lynched first scum is pretty fucked. But they shouldnt let that happen. You could argue that scum can have a 2 shot and a 1 shot vigi. I dont know if I like that. I have no access to computer till tomorrow. Also it's almost 5 am. | ||
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On December 28 2014 12:52 Vivax wrote: I'm no big fan of notifications, Palmar game style. It can really make the game harder for scum than it already is. Best to keep options open for fakeclaims and direct the game towards being solved by content analysis rather than setup/roles/notifications etc. and it also ensures that scum can forge creative claims, it's up to town to fall for it or not. Yeah the doc save notification is a double punishment for scum that can or should be removed. It is a good mechanic in a game that is scum favored. The rb notification is acceptable in this set-up. Scum got 2 ways to fuck with towns powerroles. The rb is very powerful against all the prs. But the drawback is a notification. But this way scum can also decide not to rb and claim rb for towncred. Sweet town cred. | ||
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But yeah, try to estimate the cop strenght to see if rb should be silent. | ||
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15 vs 6 14 vs 6 13 vs 6 12 vs 6 11 vs 6 10 vs 6 9 vs 6 8 vs 6 7 vs 6 6 vs 6 (after lynch D5) Hmm 5 misslynches is not terrible because town needs 6 correct lynches. I have no clue how to speed it up. Vigis don't work because it just makes it harder on town. Maybe 2 shot town vigi and 1 shot scum vigi? | ||
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15 vs 5 ml 13 vs 5 13 vs 4 11 vs 4 11 vs 3 9 vs 3 8 vs 3 ml 6 vs 3 5 vs 3 ml 3 vs 3 at the end of n5 with 3 ml vs 2 correct lynches. Not balanced. Even with a doc save somewhere you have 4 vs 3 going into d6 and the doc needs to save again. losing after 3 ml when you need 5 correct lynches is imbalanced. That means you need to go 2 ml and 5 correct to win. That is insane. | ||
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On December 30 2014 06:48 TheChyz wrote: I like the KP of scum being 2. I think it speeds up the game well enough. Maybe even 1 town vigi along with that since lynching scum perfectly would still take some time. Town vigis don't shoot scum. Rule nr. 1 when you balance games. | ||
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15 vs 6 with a 2 shot town vigi and a 1 shot scum vigi is balanced I think. And the prs currently in the OP. If the town vigi hits 2 towns scum wins after 3ml when there are no saves. (town needs 6 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 1 scum/1town scum wins with 4 ml when there are no saves. (town needs 5 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 2 scums the game ends with 5 ml when there are no saves (town needs 4 correct lynches) | ||
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The town vig can always consider not shooting the second shot. | ||
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And I would have shot Kush n1 if MZ didn't fakeclaim vig n1. And I am pretty sure I didn't tell people I was vigi n1. Probably n2. | ||
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On December 30 2014 08:01 Koshi wrote: Yeah you can have 2 static kp vs 3 save roles. But this game is supposed to be low on blues. 15 vs 6 with a 2 shot town vigi and a 1 shot scum vigi is balanced I think. And the prs currently in the OP. If the town vigi hits 2 towns scum wins after 3ml when there are no saves. (town needs 6 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 1 scum/1town scum wins with 4 ml when there are no saves. (town needs 5 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 2 scums the game ends with 5 ml when there are no saves (town needs 4 correct lynches) Now with 14 vs 6 if town hits 1 scum / 1 town, town still loses with 3 ml and they need 5 correct lynches. So... this game got a lot harder on town. Unless you make it 15 vs 5 but I dnu how that works. Ugh counting again. | ||
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Without the scum vigi: 14 vs 6 13 vs 6 ml 12 vs 5 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 scum) 11 vs 5 ml 9 vs 5 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town) 8 vs 5 ml 7 vs 5 and mylo (town needs safe from doc to make it to 4 ml) And when vigi hits town only: 14 vs 6 13 vs 6 ml 11 vs 6 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town) 10 vs 6 ml 8 vs 6 (scum nk, town vigi hits 1 town) 7 vs 6 ml 6 vs 6 and loss after 3 ml. (Town needs 2 saves to get to 4 ml) | ||
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15 vs 5 14 vs 5 ml 12 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi) 11 vs 5 ml 9 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi) 8 vs 5 ml 7 vs 5 6 vs 5 ml 5 vs 5 at the end of N4 without saves. This means doc needs to save twice to give town a 5th ml. This means scum got 2 kills for the first 2 nights to disrupt towncircles. 1 docsave means that town can try on D5 to lynch a scum. so they go in a lylo situation. With no saves they don't get that try. | ||
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I would remove the rb then? or the 2 millers? I dnu. Your setup :-) | ||
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On December 31 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote: So, 15 town with doc and cop against 5 scum with rb, framer and 2 shot scum vigi? As vanilla as it gets  . Maybe remove 1 pr for scum. | ||
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I'll look into TheChyz after some coffee and work. | ||
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First of all I agree with Chyz that the early conversation between Dr.H and ritoky was useless. Dr.H. his first post was pretty mafia to me btw. It had a paragraph about policy lynching liars, policy lynching mass claims (really? There are 2 roles) and then a last paragraph questioning the thread how they feel about lurkers. I really dislike that part: On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How does everyone feel about lurking players? Lower than expected activity can indicate blue just as much as scum. Why so indecisive about the lurkers? Why ask the cop to check lurkers? Smart town play is to prevent lurkers, to say you will bring down hell on lurkers, and then maybe not follow up on it when you find a good target. But what Dr.H. did here is say "hey mafia you can lurk, but we will cop check you when you do!". Or maybe he is already defending his lurking mafia bros? I don't like it. On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote: What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum? This reply is so boring. What is this going to accomplish? Damdred was making an obvious joke. Nobody was going to vote Damdred for that. Why is ritoky bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred?? Ritoky himself doesn't believe Damdred is scum, what is the town perspective of bullying Dr.H. into voting Damdred? I don't get the entire conversation chain between Dr.H. and ritoky. If it was 2 scum shitting up the thread I applaud them. Because it worked. Long story short. I can see what TheChyz was saying about Dr.H. and ritoky. Second point about TheChyz in Dr.H his case is that TheChyz is completely wrong about Eden his wishy-washy defensive posts. I present you this: On December 31 2014 16:33 Eden1892 wrote: Lemme revisit this later, the appeals to me in here are setting off alarms but I can't tell if I'm being unfair/suffering from confirmation bias or if there's something there. I'll rattle off a brief idea of the problems and see if I still agree with it on a later read / if anyone else has anything to say about it. It makes me feel like I'm being buddied but again, I'm not sure I'm being fair. - The appeal both to my perceived innocence and alleged attention to detail and diligence bother me in a site meta-environment where, broadly speaking, aggressive asshole = town and not-aggressive-asshole = mafia. I actually feel really bad calling this out because I really would like to believe Doc is town and just not running with that meta-environment (which I would love, because I think it's not a fun meta-environment), but based on my past experiences here, these kinds of appeals are more likely to come from mafia than town than chance suggests. - Addendum to the above, my rough recollection of Ace is that he practically wrote the heuristic I mentioned above with his harsh but effective town plan, so it's (again?) incongruous to me that Doc plays a "read between the lines, bullying" game and then is nice and relatively uncritical of me in this post. - The appeals shifted toward something about being mad about not rolling scum that I swear I've only ever heard mafia say. Maybe my past experience is broken but it just feels off. Dafuq is Eden saying here? long story short. Again I agree with TheChyz. Tldr: I have TheChyz as pretty cool guy. Ritoky as meh. Dr.H. as meh. They are meh because I am feeling generous. | ||
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On December 31 2014 19:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Its clear what hes saying and.it was a fine response considering i was engaging him directly. Cherry picking. You gonna vote eden then? So basically you have no reads except that thechyz is town? Thanks. If I have no reads except thechyz, then why are you asking me to vote Eden? Please don't be dense. Thanks. | ||
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Reason: He is attacking me with a lie. Lynch all liars. Misrepresenting that I have 1 read when I have given my opinion on 4 people. I don't need that in this town. | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: in his defence you did give two people as meh. chyz was town and who else did you give a read on? I have no hard reads so I am not going to fabricate them out of air. Eden, Dr.H., Chyz, ritoky are the key people in the first 15 pages. I commented on them. That's more than fine for now. The question is why is Dr.H. attacking me? For not agreeing with his read? Then he should discuss it further with me, not attack me with some silly nonsense about me needing to vote for Eden, while he isn't voting for his hard scumread. | ||
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On December 31 2014 20:37 KelsierSC wrote: I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. meh because I was being generous. I got my eye on them both. I have been more than once the joker yelling at people to do stuff and make stuff up (aka exaggerate) to get the game going. So yeah, I can see Dr.H. being town. | ||
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Because he annoyed me. | ||
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##vote: geript The buddying is real. | ||
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It seems like you need it. | ||
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On December 31 2014 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's very unpatriotic of you. Oh I really don't like TheChyz' entry, basically shitflinging from the side and concluding without attempting to become part of the discussion. He has a few opinions but none of them are strong and then he doesn't ask any questions to bolster his reads. Chyz why aren't you asking any questions? You think this is mafia entering the thread? Why? He is trying to stop the shitposting. 1) Did you find Dr.H. opening post alignment indicative? 2) Why do you think ritoky went after Dr.H. so hard? 3) Do you disagree with TheChyz that ritoky was just filling his filter? 4) He ended his opening post asking ritoky to do something constructive. That's right on the money. Pro town. On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote: Hello all. Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda. @ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything. | ||
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I know you are used to play with great and awesome players like myself and myself. But I think you are being too though on TheChyz. | ||
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The second thing was that geript just came by this morning to say "Koshi you are pretty awesome" after I made that post on Eden. And I guess I am missing some geripts starpower in this game. Kelsier his case was pretty good as well. | ||
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Lazermonkey. Explain to me what conclusion TheChyz should have drawn from the ritoky/Dr.H. argument? You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? I am not saying that it is impossible for mafia to do. But if he is doing it as mafia I would have expected that TheChyz would try to gain cred from it somehow. Or formulate his words otherwise. His post just doesn't scream mafia to me. It isn't forced. It isn't overdramatic. It's a good post. | ||
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On January 01 2015 00:50 Lazermonkey wrote: Its not necesarily wrong with making a post saying that a discussion is stupid. The problem is when the only post you have is a post calling a discussion stupid. Why is it, after all the of the discussion and multiple people calling out rikoty, that all Chyz did was saying that the discussion was stupid? Just like Artanis said, why say "do something usefull" and proceed to do nothing yourself? Granted, he did put up some reads later but only after he was called out. Don't you think there is a scum motive in trying to look active while not really pushing the thread forward? Because I would argue that is what Chyz did. Show me a game in which Chyz is a townleader. | ||
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On January 01 2015 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote: My read on Chyz is not based on meta. I have never played nor read one of his games. Is this how he normaly plays as town you think? 2 people were doing something that nobody so far found useful for 20 posts in a row. 1 guy said to those 2 people to stop their shitposting and asks on of them to do something useful in 1 post. The 1 guy gets crap for doing not more pro-towns things in his 1 post and the 2 people who made 20 shitpost together are not discussed. --- I don't get it. Is it meta? Scum generally do exactly 1 protown thing in their post? I get that TheChyz could have also done more digging himself, create more content, actively question people and look for scum. But unless he has a meta for doing those things, I am already content with him doing the 1 thing. It's more than others. And like you said, he did scumhunting after that. It doesn't matter that people had to ask him for it. It is important that he did it, and I don't see you commenting on the value of those posts. You just say: "He did scumhunting because he was asked for it, so it doesn't count". | ||
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Dr.H was sceptical and called Chyz Mr. critic. geript made a mental note that Chyz is newb town. marv ignored it. Palmar ignored it. | ||
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On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful I am the biggest believer in Chyz his innocence. I should get the honors. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No matter what Chyz flips I'm gonna be all over you next so you might wanna start omgusing me now it'll make it look more authentic later It's already cute how you think you will get Chyz lynched. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago you voted for Dr.H. So I wouldn't say "you were fine with him". Anyway Dr.H. is also not getting lynched today. | ||
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On January 01 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote: If Koshi doesn't start doing something then I might have to throw out my "attack the forgiver" tell and kill Chyz instead. How is this connected? | ||
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My resolution will be that I will give this TheChyz thing some consideration. | ||
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I guess Koshi is a bit less present as he is used to be. But we all should go back 6 months in time and give Koshi till Day 3. When he is mafia it gets really obvious simply because within 3 days I somewhere bled town. I would suggest to lynch somebody who seems to be doing something but really isn't doing anything. | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:56 IAmRobik wrote: I don't like the latter portion of this plan. It sounds like you're saying my name without saying my name. I wanted to add "but not Koshi" at the end. So it might be a good thing you also think like me. I don't know yet who I want to lynch. Maybe I should look into Eden and Kelsier. They got both pretty good posts and I wouldn't consider them at all. But for some reason geript has them on top of his scumlist. I'll go from there. | ||
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On January 01 2015 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi again. I realize that I kinda sucked yesterday. Got way to tunnely on Chyz. I will try to reread some things and reevaluate my thoughts as best as I can. As for the "case" on me, I think its pretty weak + I will have some time to post today so I don't fear too much for my death. Won't really bother to defend myself right now but I'd rather focus on trying to get a hang on the game and figure out who I think is the best lynch! Your excuses come over scummy. Like a scummer who faked reads yesterday and now wants to get rid of them and start fresh. | ||
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He has 4 townreads somewhere and 3 scumreads + marv who appears to be special. Dnu if this is standard geript but it reads filthy. | ||
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On January 02 2015 00:11 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh geript looks shit so does lazer. Would lynch either happily. I would lynch bats aswell, what do you think of my case? If batsnacks plays forced he is probably mafia. The guy plays freely as town. I don't have the same vibes as you yet. Maybe because I haven't paid much attention to his posts. I'll reread him. I have a family dinner today though. Atm we start with toasting. So I won't be around to chitchat much. But I will check in every so many minutes. | ||
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On January 02 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote: Why does it matter if geript has them as top scumreads? Because I don't even understand how geript can think it. So I glanced his filter and I didn't see a single reason. My plan was ---> See if geript makes sense ----> If he makes sense remove vote. ----> If he doesn't make sense don't remove vote. | ||
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On January 02 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: Palmar, how do we handle marv today? If he really is intentionally playing bad as town then I have no problem mislynching him to be honest. This game is normal. Nothing crazy can happen. We can lynch marv D3 and we can be sure we will reach D3. The few things marv said were pretty ok. It felt correct at that time in the game. Nothing felt odd. Nothing felt forced. It made sense. I would go with other people for today. | ||
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On January 02 2015 02:13 Eden1892 wrote: You don't understand how geript can suspect me? Hmm. yeah I guess I could. But then I have another problem. Let's look at geript his suspicion of Eden. 1) Very early game he says Eden is posting scummy. He doesn't really elaborate on it. He doesn't try to convince the thread about it. It's a bit of a trowaway comment. 2) I make a post about why I think Eden is scummy. geripts comes out of nowhere to just say he likes what I am thinking because he was thinking similar things. 3) Eden and Kelsier are on the top of geripts scumlist. But at this point I am actually moving away from Eden is scum. Eden his posting is much better than early game. But geript seems to have missed this. 4) Let's look at this post from geript: On January 01 2015 07:35 geript wrote: Of the top of my head, Marv maybe. Eden and Kelsier are at the top of my lynch list. But honestly, right now I'd be a bit more tempted to lurker lynch. I don't see anything about Kelsier in his filter. I don't get why he wants to lynch a lurker. He has made 60 posts and has no feelings at all about who he wants to lynch? This is geript. The guy that rigs all the votes just to kill who he wants. Anyway got to eat duck. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:49 justanothertownie wrote: Why is Superbia scum and RoL isn't? 1 posted and 1 didn't. | ||
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ow. embarrassing. But I feel like I got to stick to my initial reads. | ||
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On January 02 2015 04:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why glowingbear? you havent explained anything Jeezus didn't explain anything when he wispered it in my ear. You should trust me like I trust Jeezus. Our Lord and Savior. | ||
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gut read. He has 1-2 more in there. | ||
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Why would they kill you Oo. Strange line of thinking. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:45 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know. Geript might actually be town for acting like a complete donkey. this | ||
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1) geript has never been wrong on marv when he is town as he claims. 2) marv lynches scum as town. Combined we got a 101% chance that marv is scum when geript is town. | ||
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yes. But currently I am trying to imagine a world in which none of batsnacks/geript is scum. | ||
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It could be coming from town trying to figure out their own thoughts. So many people want to lynch Lazermonkey but he has no votes. So either he is scum and we are wrong about geript or he is town and scum don't dare to make the first step. hmm. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm glad you figured out that he is either scum or town. Shh I am busy making connection cases. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the only problem you should EVER have with ANY lynch is whether or not you think the target is scum or not. anything else is bullshit and only concerns scum players who view votes as tactics Well. It has been quite obvious I don't think he is mafia. But you are growing on me. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:26 justanothertownie wrote: This not an argument. Marv used this for Haru in heavyweight too. It just doesn't work. If a scummer is scumming hard then his teammates will bus him -> everyone wants to lynch him. Nha it is a fine heuristic. It just isn't true 100% of the times. But it is true a lot. I will take it even further. Chyz is mafia because all the shady people are solely going towards Lazermonkey and not Chyz. Look at Vivax. Didn't say anything. Trows some dirt at Lazer. geript/damdred/batsnacks all pretty willing to go to Lazer. Chyz himself wants to vote Lazer. I am ok with switching to Chyz. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:33 Vivax wrote: I'm sold, DrH. The 8 hours ago he seemed fine" part was enough for me. ##Vote TheChyz K now I want to stay on geript. | ||
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1) Why are you using batsnacks his posts as a starting point to form reads? Why not marv/palmar. 2) Why are you ignoring geript and everything around it. 3) Why are you voting for Chyz when you actually want to vote for LM? | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:50 batsnacks wrote: Go fuck yourself chyz Have some fucking manners. | ||
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Oh why so scum Vivax. Why so scum? | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Can i restate the point that the chyz has lied over and over again? Not a single person has engaged me on this. If im wrong just fucking refute me I wish you would stop making posts about Chyz. Enough is enough. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. Is anybody else wondered? Nope. Vivax is mafia. | ||
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2 out of 3. I can't believe that it is 3/3. Either Vivax and batsnacks are being coy with their TMI and refuse to touch geript. Or it is geript and 1 of batsnacks/Vivax is trying to save him. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is quick to give up. Everyone else in the thread seems to think I'm wrong so why would chyz care enough to martyr himself? You're so sure vivax is scum over this alone? Yes. Because he says that he is "wondering why", there is nothing to wonder about. It's bullshit. And mafia bullshits. | ||
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Vivax is trying to frame Chyz and he went over the top by saying "I wonder why he defeats so quickly". He is mafia. | ||
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On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote: Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:17 Vivax wrote: You can ask me about geript. I have no real guess about geript lol. I've read the bit where marv calls him out for trying to find holes in his list and geript then calls him 100 % mafia, and I've set it aside cause it just looked uninteresting. I didn't find what geript wrote about marv's stuff on two guys as outrageous as marv did, and for the moment I don't really care about geript and didn't spend so much time thinking over him as I did over LM's post and TheChyz. So what is your read on geript? | ||
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##vote: Vivax Mafia. | ||
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geript/batsnacks/vivax. Lynch in there. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: Add lm to that list koshi and I'm your bitch No. LM is town as well. There is 3 scum hiding atm. 1 or 2 in afk. 1 has a strong game. At this point it could be Dr.H. because he is incapable to actually think about what he is saying. | ||
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DO NOT LYNCH CHYZ. DO NOT LYNCH LAZERMONKEY. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Koshi keep your god damn vote on Geript. No. Vivax is way more likely scum. And I am starting to doubt that geript is scum. If there is 1 scum in geript/chyz I would say it is 85/15 in favor of geript. But there is a distinct chance that both are town. Look at a scumteam like: Vivax Dr.H. RoL Superbia GB Batsnacks Things are going perfect for them. No reason for those lurking mafia to do anything. | ||
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Dr.H. is doing Chyz 2 are sleeping. Why not? | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Calm down cowboy HAHAHA. Coming from you that is priceless. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote: I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. Nope. Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter. I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:45 geript wrote: Seems interesting. Maybe I should pay more attention right now. Make sure to point all arrows you have left towards Vivax. Any other lynch besides your own is bad. | ||
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So what? What? Really what? You can't produce 1 single interesting thought about anybody else than 1 person because it is Day 1? It's funny you acknowledge you have done nothing this game about the 18 other people beside Chez and brush it off as "Day 1". | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:48 GlowingBear wrote: This wasn't discussed? THIS WASN'T DISCUSSED? If you want attention go back 15 hours | ||
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so many possible scum. This game blew wide open. damdred. Where is he? | ||
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Finally I sleep. | ||
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Now Vivax trows dirt on Palmar for not lynching geript to deduce marv his alignment. LYNCH VIVAX godmanit | ||
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But motsly vivax. | ||
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DO NOT LYNCH CHYZ DO NKT LYNCH GERIPT. Seriously the 4 people on chyz are insanely dense. No newbie mafia is going to SELFVOTE because a town is onto him and fuck his team over. THINK FFS | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I have seen scum martyr and self vote and ragequit in many different ways. Wifom, meaningless. Youre saying he has to be town because he martyred? His actions up to that point are scummy too. Grtz. Town does it 9 out of 10 times. Scum 1 / 10 These are accurate numbers. | ||
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Is this real life? | ||
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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY This fucking happens when people start playing right when I go to bed and I can't protect them from teh jubjubs. | ||
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Nobody even talked about Vivax. Fuck this. | ||
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On January 02 2015 17:17 VisceraEyes wrote: You couldn't have protected him anyway, not without calling people dumb and bad. Any reason you've neglected to do so this game? That's generally your go-to strat. The only person I should have used that strat on D1 is Dr.H. Man... How did this happen. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Vivax is so fucking mafia. | ||
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On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. This is a 100% bullshit post from Vivax. There is no way town Vivax thinks like this. Vivax also slipped in his own bullshit by saying the red bolded. That's enough to read Vivax 100% scum. The entire post is such bullshit. VIVAX IS SMART. Yet "he wonders why" or "he can't grasp" very simple stuff. This is not town Vivax Other reason to why Vivax is scum: On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote: Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. You have to understand Vivax posted this on page 59. While the batsnacks thing happened on page 57. So Vivax is 2 pages behind. Yet he says this: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. This is 4 hours later. HOW IS VIVAX NOT CAUGHT UP YET? Vivax is bullshitting you people. He is playing you with this entire "I am not caught up" bullshit. He is using it to not draw too much attention to him. Or that people expect him to participate in the ongoing lynch. Vivax did not touch geript immediately when entering the thread. Vivax is a town leader. Vivax is smart. Vivax is the true detective. Vivax was in this thread for multiple hours and did not touch geript. There is no excuse for a townplayer who was "contributing" to not touch geript. He quoted something from batsnacks and Lazermonkey on page 57. Everything around geript happened already. Why is he not participating in the moment? But he has time to to ask marv 2-3 times why marv wanted Vivax to come to the thread. But Vivax never does anything with marv ignoring him. Or explain why it is important. WHY is it important marv wondered if Vivax would come back? Do you think Vivax would have produced some sick meta read on marv if marv replied? Nope. It was a bullshit random question. On January 02 2015 11:54 Vivax wrote: Maybe in your opnion it's horrendous but hif it's horrendous it doesn't make me mafia and you're free to talk up to me, I've made it clear enough that I prefer the reasoning on the Chez than the reasoning on geript and I don't feel like lying about it. Mostly I just see Koshi repeating to lynch me even though I still don't know why except that I was afk during a festivity. Koshi evidently doesn't have friends to party with at NYE bwhahaha Dat adhom. Ok. Now you can die. I made it pretty obvious that my suspicion wasn't because Vivax was inactive on NYE. This is the second or third post in which Vivax says "that he doesn't understand" why people are thinking he might be scum. Even if he disagrees with the reason why people read Vivax as scum. He should at least have a grasp on why it is. Or at least question it. Look it up. But no. This game Vivax is from Barcelona and he knows nothing. Also notice how he leaves the thread making 4-5 joke posts and making himself popular? If Vivax really was catching up this entire time, he would leave the thread with some sort of -final reads after catching up-. Or at least something concrete. Not make 5 joke posts and fuck off. Nope. Never. Vivax was lurking guys. A real not caught up Vivax who was catching up would not be posting so much in the moment stuff. He was caught up and lurking the entire time he was here. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote: Palmar CLEARLY states he wants geript lynched. Only when there is.shennanigans Vivax is second. Now Vivax trows dirt on Palmar for not lynching geript to deduce marv his alignment. LYNCH VIVAX godmanit THIS AS WELL. | ||
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Here he read something from page 57: On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote: Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. Then Vivax makes 5-6 posts talking about how Dr.H. his posts convince Vivax that Chyz is scum. Especially this chain makes it believable Vivax is actually caught up. Or decently caught up. You have to understand that this happens on page 62: On January 02 2015 08:38 Vivax wrote: Claims he was fine with DrH cause he looked like he was scumhunting, if you look at the posts in question at the time he said that DrH is spewing fluff left and right? Did you read it? Here Vivax comments on page 68 on Chyz his post from page 65. On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote: The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter. So on page 59 Vivax is commenting on things that happened on page 57. On page 62 Vivax is pretty confidently speaking about his Chyz read. He knows everything Chyz and Dr.H posted about the manner. On page 68 Vivax knows what happens on page 65. Comments on it. Then on page 69, this is his way to deflect my initial push. This is how he brushes off my pressure. Which I started instantly when he posted that Chyz shit on page 68. Suddenly he is not caught up and insecure: On January 02 2015 09:25 Vivax wrote: Well it's easy for people who are caught up with the game to wonder what the latecomers are up to since their focus is so much different from their own. It will pass as all that synchronizes, for now I'd rather get a grip of what is going on rather than getting involved in arguments about those discrepancies between my visuals and their own. Then on page fucking 76: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. This is page 76!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vivax has been playing and replying to events from page 59-76 AND NOW HE SAYS HE IS BAD AT THE GAME OR NOT CAUGHT UP. TEXTBOOK MAFIA SENTENCE | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:28 Vivax wrote: Dunno I'm currently drinking gin tonic and answering to the stuff from the last pages. I'll just see where my nose leads me to. Checking out this geript stuff next. So fucking mafia. His timeline makes 0 sense. When asked questions he has never read anything about it. But he was an expert on Chyz/Dr.H. content when he was "contributing about it". And how is Vivax annoyed at marv for ignoring him when Vivax asked a question? When somebody asks Vivax a questions he dodges faster than Neo dodges bullets. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:26 Vivax wrote: This brings back memories of Palmar saying "if geript is town marv is 100 % scum" or something similar, it brings them back cause lately Palmar popped in proposing me as scum after proposing this notion which seems incoherent. Shouldn't he still care more about geript's alignment since in his eyes it'd be a tell for marv? Not only is this the biggest pile of shit defense I have ever saw in my life. Vivax paraphrased: "Palmar looks pretty bad for thinking I am scum while his sole focus should be lynching geript to deduce marv his alignment." Also please notice: Suddenly Vivax also remembers things from the thread. Is it not nice Vivax always remembers things from the thread when it is to push his agenda? But when somebody asks Vivax a question: "I am not caught up, I can't answer" When somebody puts pressure on him: "He thinks I am scum because he is caught up and I am not and that's why he feels I am off" | ||
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On January 02 2015 17:34 Eden1892 wrote: I don't take back that it's feigned bitterness. Lol Or at least it seems that way. I admit I still haven't really looked at Vivax but Koshi's plainly incorrect assessment of batsnacks is leaving me skeptical as to his genuineness right now On January 02 2015 11:28 Koshi wrote: Batsnacks might be town as well. He is batsnacks insane. This is not sure. I am sleep depraved atm And he bled town when you were voting him. Like. It was obvious. That being said. He had a bad first 20 hours. | ||
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This game is not balanced around modkills. So don't get modkilled. Dumbasses. Why did Eden not see this? | ||
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geript might be mafia Vivax is mafia Marv should step up Robik should step up ritoky should step up Chyz should step up (= come back and play) People I don't care enough about this game and should spend more time on but can't cuz guts: GB sicklucker Artanis[XP] (Still my friend but yeah, cba to decide) Who is this: Superbia All other people are town. | ||
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On January 02 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote: Towns in a really bad spot I think. I still feel like most of us if not all of us are town but now we look like shit. GAME OVER MAN. This is such a bad post you might be right. I just don't know the guy and he keeps posting things and doesn't rub me the wrong way. I could sheep you on your read but I sheeped somebody on batsnacks and then added him on my scumlist and it was fucking terrible. Because before I sheeped this guy I am sure I thought batsnacks was ok-ish. | ||
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On January 02 2015 15:38 sicklucker wrote: Towns in a really bad spot I think. I still feel like most of us if not all of us are town but now we look like shit. GAME OVER MAN. This has a flair of some cynical happyness that only scum can have. | ||
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On January 02 2015 20:24 ritoky wrote: koshi can you explain your damdred read? or have you in your filter and i missed it? No. It's pure gut. I can't explain it. He is also not somebody I wouldn't lynch D2 and maybe D3 if he kept up playing exactly like he is now. But I can't put him as town. He is off somehow. | ||
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On January 02 2015 20:37 Palmar wrote: I'm really demotivated to even play now. Probably gonna just afk through the night and see if I turn up dead or not. If I am alive I might just park my vote on Robik out of spite and never change it for playing terribly. It's ok bro. I needed at least 5 post of mass hysteria to get over the fact they lynched batsnacks. | ||
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marv damdred robik sicklucker Something like that. with geript there. Maybe in place of marv. And robick might needs to be replaced with 1 of his reads between ritoky and superbia. | ||
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first, he gives a light scum read on me early on in the game for some weird stuff about me not remembering a previous game and slaps his vote on me for nearly the entire phase. he then proceeds to not push that read or actively attempt to get me lynched in the slightest. he pursues trying to scum read other people while leaving his vote uselessly on me. then comes his geript read, something that he goes into a vast amount of detail on and actually develops his own non-meta reasons for reading geript scum. finally late in the phase he moves his vote onto geript. only to very quickly after that shennanie onto batsnacks for no stated reason and hammer a town who the best case on him was meta. to summarize that 2nd point: he spent the majority of the phase developing HIS OWN non-meta scum read on geript only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S meta read on batsnacks without a damn word about it. that makes absolutely no sense, especially for him. he is a player who is relentless on his own reads and not quick to defer to others as town. this is not town SL, this is not town period; he is mafia and should be lynched immediately upon the start of the day. This looks like a town making a case. Very much. | ||
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On January 02 2015 21:44 marvellosity wrote: because i don't think he's mafia. if you're calling me mafia for those reads that just makes you bad. which is fine, but that's on you. Why. Why. Why. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote: Some PoE title: 3; Geript 12; batsnacks 13; sicklucker 16; ritoky I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff. On January 02 2015 05:38 marvellosity wrote: "I don't mind x" or "I have no issues with y" are not reasons for people not to be mafia, Artanis. Quite often the opposite actually. Explain to me the sicklucker read. | ||
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On January 02 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote: ritoky GlowingBear geript Vivax Superbia LazerMonkey None of these were on batsnacks yesterday. if geript is scum their is a BIG chance that sickluster/robik voted for batsnacks to save him. Or anybody. But nobody??? | ||
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On January 02 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote: Koshi can you try to play nicer for a bit and talk like a normal person. This isn't Dota 2. I have yet to see a way to engage you somewhat productively in all that yelling. What are you talking about? I made a couple very calm posts about why you are scum. More silly excuses to brush off suspicion. I guess you can't use the "I am not caught up excuse atm". | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:09 marvellosity wrote: then we can revisit if geript flips mafia? you think this is some sort of final answer or something? hello? batsnacks got lynched with 1 vote more than geript. You think geript is mafia. I don't understand how you put 6 names in red and don't entertain the idea anywhere that there is mafia on geript. I have to point it out. It doesn't matter what geript flips in the future. You have geript as mafia & batsnacks got lynched with 1 vote more than geript. Yet your list doesn't take this into account, or any post you made takes this into account. I find this sloppy scumhunting. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:08 Lazermonkey wrote: If geript is in fact scum (which I am starting to doubt) then this list doesn't make any sense. But if he is town, then scum had two townies to choose between. It doesn't matter. He has geript as scum. If you think somebody is scum. You should entertain the idea that this person was saved. I don't see marv entertaining that idea. I find that odd. | ||
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w.e. I am so getting shot before you but you are off the list. I can only pray people lynch you D3 if you are alive. Which you might be at this rate. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:32 Vivax wrote: I figured you'd be the one to ask me stuff since I'm your scumread, but if you're so sure about it that you don't need to do that then just carry on. Oh ok. So you totally agree with the 5 posts I made about you. Quick recap. But please remember Vivax. These are not capslock. I am not yelling. I also don't see creeps to denie so I am pretty sure I am aware I am not typing in the Dota 2 client. Explain to me your timeline: From where I am standing it looks like when you posted on page 59 you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks. From where I am standing it looks when you discussed reads on page 62 you read everything concerning Chyz/Dr.H. From where I am standing you commented on page 69 about a post made on page 68. This goes on straight to page 72. But on page 72 you say you are "bad at the game and not up to date" to deflect suspicion. So you were actively following from page 57 - 72. And you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks/Chyz/Dr.H before page 57. You read posts from Palmar about geript being scum if marv is town. You read all posts from geript. But then after all this you say: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. What the heck did you think you still needed to read to make an educated guess on geript. | ||
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On January 02 2015 22:47 KelsierSC wrote: before the flip even happens he starts talking about who this flip is going to clear, like he knows geript will flip scum and immediately wants to get credit for it. why is so quick to clear other people and try to clear himself rather than find scum. This is something you do when you are scum and geript is town. It is easy to bullshit when you know it is bullshit. You are town! And you are town! I am town We are all town and awesome. --->geript flips town<---- Ignore everything I said! lol! But I got filter! | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too. On January 02 2015 10:33 sicklucker wrote: Vivax might be mafia too the way geript stopped giving up for a second to bus him. But lets not be stupid and kill the more obvious player that confirms alot of good players and hard to read players like me as town. On January 02 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote: Confirming players is really important. Especially town leaders and hard to read players. Its like a really good reason to not vote vivax yet. I think the vivax lynch over the other is kinda dumb atm. THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE ARE SCUM READING VIVAX IS BECAUSE HES ALIGNED GERIT? if im missing something on this please explain. Also isint vivax likely town if gerit flips mafia or do you guys think hes trying to level that? On January 02 2015 10:40 sicklucker wrote: i mean if he flips town Explain to me why he says Vivax is town when geript flips town. | ||
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How does something on page 57 catch your eye when you joined the thread on page 59? There are 30 minutes between page 57 and page 59. How come you were on page 57? | ||
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On January 03 2015 01:00 GlowingBear wrote: I voted Vivax dude. I sheeped you because you are obvious town and I felt the main wagons could BOTH be town. Oh yeah. I knew marv waa wrong on you for a good reason. Wrong to lynch you tomorrow that is. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:31 Koshi wrote: Why do I bother losing sleep and typing on phone when jat got this? Lynch him jat | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:09 justanothertownie wrote: No, he hasn't. I corrected myself instantly after that post with the one I quoted. Ah ok. I didn't know that. | ||
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On January 03 2015 03:10 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe because then people say this and don't want to lynch him. Nono. This isn't a good thing. Why is Vivax opening your filter and trying to find scum? | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:43 IAmRobik wrote: Wtf is this shithouse read? Please stop embarrassing yourself. I left my scum-range about 17 hours ago right before the lynch nha you scum. | ||
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On January 03 2015 06:12 Palmar wrote: Completely false. I was super interested. I was driving the wagon on geript, I was hassling players to vote for him, the last thing I did before going to bed was to summarize the case on geript, even with him being the leading lynch candidate, and then saying that if for some reason people really wanted to voteswitch, to do it on vivax. Please fill in the form below to best fit your situation. [ ] I did not read the game, therefore I didn't know Palmar was interested in participating. [ X ] I am mafia [ ] I am just really awful at this thinking thing [ ] I don't believe the world is round, so timezones are just a myth created by the man to keep us down. I hope I did well on my test. I copied the answers from this pretty good mafia player Vivax. | ||
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On January 03 2015 05:16 Koshi wrote: Vivax Lynch Robik and geript after that. | ||
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Vivax is scum I have posted my case. at the start of the day. It is really important you lynch him. | ||
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D2: Vivax is scum This is a freebie. Look at the cases I made at the start of the night. During the night Vivax was telling JAT he is scum. He won't be bothered to explain it to the thread why JAT is scum, so I don't suggest reading his conversation with JAT. It was pretty numb. D3: geript / robik Now with 1 scum down you can lynch between these 2 players. Just lynch the player who is the least town. Both players are able to bleed town by making logical & thoughtful posts combined with some serious inner fire. The person who is the least able to do it is scum. It will be obvious because you can compare it between them. If you know that 1 is really town and the other is maybe town/maybe scum. Take it from me he is scum. If they both suck ass they are both scum. D4: Kill marv if he is alive. Without modkills you will make it to D4. ALWAYS LYNCH MARV when he is alive. When he suddenly strats bleeding town this day you still lynch him. Otherwise. Lynch somebody out of GB/ritoky/sickluster/Damdred. I trust you that you can form a read after playing 4 cycles. | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, what do you make of the final votecount? That there are not enough votes on Vivax. | ||
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On January 03 2015 07:15 Koshi wrote: For the people who want to lynch scum on D2/D3/D4 D2: Vivax is scum This is a freebie. Look at the cases I made at the start of the night. During the night Vivax was telling JAT he is scum. He won't be bothered to explain it to the thread why JAT is scum, so I don't suggest reading his conversation with JAT. It was pretty numb. D3: geript / robik Now with 1 scum down you can lynch between these 2 players. Just lynch the player who is the least town. Both players are able to bleed town by making logical & thoughtful posts combined with some serious inner fire. The person who is the least able to do it is scum. It will be obvious because you can compare it between them. If you know that 1 is really town and the other is maybe town/maybe scum. Take it from me he is scum. If they both suck ass they are both scum. D4: Kill marv if he is alive. Without modkills you will make it to D4. ALWAYS LYNCH MARV when he is alive. When he suddenly strats bleeding town this day you still lynch him. Otherwise. Lynch somebody out of GB/ritoky/sickluster/Damdred. I trust you that you can form a read after playing 4 cycles. I am off to bed. gl hf. scum don't kill me. Thx. | ||
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Damn. Damdred over Kelsier after all. Makes sense if I take into account D1. | ||
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