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Vivax
22317 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:27 Koshi wrote: Vivax, I am not yelling. What you want to talk about? I figured you'd be the one to ask me stuff since I'm your scumread, but if you're so sure about it that you don't need to do that then just carry on. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
SL "my 4 town reads voted him" On January 02 2015 13:26 Damdred wrote: I have a feeling this is batsnacks scum game, it looks like ffl2 to me honestly SL I would lynch immediately. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:33 KelsierSC wrote: SL, eden, Robik and Dam need to be seriously considered. They did pretty much fuck all d1 until the very end where they came up with awful reasons to switch onto Bats SL "my 4 town reads voted him" SL I would lynch immediately. that in no way makes sl mafia though. re: eden. I like that he got stuck back in quite soon after the lynch being productive. i think he looks fine. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote: that in no way makes sl mafia though. re: eden. I like that he got stuck back in quite soon after the lynch being productive. i think he looks fine. I haven't made a full case on SL, but his reason for switching to bats is absolutely awful. I will make a big post on SL being scum tonight, going through his filter it is painfully bad. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:32 Vivax wrote: I figured you'd be the one to ask me stuff since I'm your scumread, but if you're so sure about it that you don't need to do that then just carry on. Oh ok. So you totally agree with the 5 posts I made about you. Quick recap. But please remember Vivax. These are not capslock. I am not yelling. I also don't see creeps to denie so I am pretty sure I am aware I am not typing in the Dota 2 client. Explain to me your timeline: From where I am standing it looks like when you posted on page 59 you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks. From where I am standing it looks when you discussed reads on page 62 you read everything concerning Chyz/Dr.H. From where I am standing you commented on page 69 about a post made on page 68. This goes on straight to page 72. But on page 72 you say you are "bad at the game and not up to date" to deflect suspicion. So you were actively following from page 57 - 72. And you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks/Chyz/Dr.H before page 57. You read posts from Palmar about geript being scum if marv is town. You read all posts from geript. But then after all this you say: On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote: Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. What the heck did you think you still needed to read to make an educated guess on geript. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
1) he scum reads geript but there is nothing original in it, but then before the flip even happens he starts talking about who this flip is going to clear, like he knows geript will flip scum and immediately wants to get credit for it. why is so quick to clear other people and try to clear himself rather than find scum. 2) despite having, in his mind, a strong read on geript he decides to just switch onto bats because "my town reads did it" his town reads are pretty bad, more on that later. why would you trust other peoples reads over your own. This is an awful reason. 3) he wants to give dam a really easy town read , first thing he does is town read dam immediately for making a joke at the start. That is a good reason to switch off your scum read in that close a situation? 4) This is a common mafia trick but he overstated his impact "I had a strong first 24 hours". Sorry SL but no you didn't. I will add quotes etc later. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
but you are very likely to be town. kelsier: actually i find 4) comes from town more usually than mafia. Palmar does it as town all the time for instance :p | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:53 marvellosity wrote: no, because I reserve my really high percentages for when i'm super sure, because i want people to know they can trust my super high percentages. but you are very likely to be town. kelsier: actually i find 4) comes from town more usually than mafia. Palmar does it as town all the time for instance :p I just don't see how SL can actually think he had a strong first 24 hours so it just looks like bullshitting to me. Plus I do it as mafia so. The rest of the points though? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:56 marvellosity wrote: 1 and 2 aren't particularly scum indicative. you need to explain 3) a bit better. for realz? Alright.... as for 3 he gives dam a town read at the start because Dam made a joke. Looks like a contrived easy town read that is mafia indicative. He even thinks this read is a good enough basis to switch from his own scum read (geript) onto bats. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
SL Geript Dam Viv ...someone good Robik maybe, eden maybe | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:45 Koshi wrote: Oh ok. So you totally agree with the 5 posts I made about you. Quick recap. But please remember Vivax. These are not capslock. I am not yelling. I also don't see creeps to denie so I am pretty sure I am aware I am not typing in the Dota 2 client. Explain to me your timeline: From where I am standing it looks like when you posted on page 59 you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks. From where I am standing it looks when you discussed reads on page 62 you read everything concerning Chyz/Dr.H. From where I am standing you commented on page 69 about a post made on page 68. This goes on straight to page 72. But on page 72 you say you are "bad at the game and not up to date" to deflect suspicion. So you were actively following from page 57 - 72. And you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks/Chyz/Dr.H before page 57. You read posts from Palmar about geript being scum if marv is town. You read all posts from geript. But then after all this you say: What the heck did you think you still needed to read to make an educated guess on geript. I didn't read everything, just the posts that caught my eye and I consequently commented on, so I don't really have a red line you can follow when you see what I talk about, it's quite scattered. Now you can make your own assumptions regarding whether I would tend to be more scattered in my reading process as scum or as town (and you seem to think it's the former), but for this I can only say that a) I don't always play up to my super tryhard standard, especially when I come back hungover from NYE and the thread volume exploded, but I tried by focusing on the parts I found interesting. A bit from this, a bit from that, I can't process a whole game at once in one moment. b) I suggest I'll just do my thing and it's nice to know you don't close the shutters to the option that I'm town. It's really easy to get the gut-feeling that somebody is scum just cause he doesn't play to the standard you're used to and I can understand that. I think I was drunk when I posted the bad at the game stuff, depends on you how much weight you give to it when I say I'm bad at the game cause maybe geript IS scum and I'm just too bad to see it, which was the thought at the time. Like, I kept going back to the arguments and I didn't get the aha-feeling that seemed so prevalent in thread sentiment. Artanis tried to show me first in a not-so-concrete way, then both Artanis and DrH kept telling me their reasons, but I remained with a meh. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:58 KelsierSC wrote: for realz? Alright.... as for 3 he gives dam a town read at the start because Dam made a joke. Looks like a contrived easy town read that is mafia indicative. He even thinks this read is a good enough basis to switch from his own scum read (geript) onto bats. meh, maybe? the last sentence is a bit of a reach though. i really think moving on to a wagon of someone you don't have a townread on because a bunch of townreads are on it is not a scummy thing per se. i mean if geript is town isn't there very little point moving to bat when you've been on geript a lot of the day, and therefore isn't your read on sl conditional on geript being mafia? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 02 2015 23:03 marvellosity wrote: meh, maybe? the last sentence is a bit of a reach though. i really think moving on to a wagon of someone you don't have a townread on because a bunch of townreads are on it is not a scummy thing per se. i mean if geript is town isn't there very little point moving to bat when you've been on geript a lot of the day, and therefore isn't your read on sl conditional on geript being mafia? yeh i already said i think geript is scum, like start of day | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 02 2015 23:04 KelsierSC wrote: yeh i already said i think geript is scum, like start of day fine, but you said "we should lynch sl immediately" when it seems at least partly to be a conditional read of yours, so from your perspective it should make sense to lynch geript immediately. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
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