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I'm not sold on Koshi just because he stuck to his guns. This voting stuff is window dressing for a larger case, but I can't figure out geript either. He comes out of this looking worst either way, maybe scum geripts motivation is to just commit himself to being unhelpful and make day 2 a total drag
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On January 02 2015 16:01 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with his first point so idk. SL has said some shit that i didn't like and some stuff i did like. i'll check his filter too.
I kinda have you leaning scummy rn eden, we might as well talk now since this my only day off work this week. I will have to be much less active for the next 4 days or so. What's up? I don't feel like messing with vote count analysis any more right now. What do you think about geript? I feel like his explanation is obviously BS and yet at the same time it's hard to understand why he wouldn't just put the nail in town!batsnacks coffin if he were mafia.
Well the main thing is that after he leaves the thread he comes back like he's ready to take the game seriously and then this. if he's scum i could see him just going into panic mode and doing something stupid, if he was town he would have been putting up a bigger fight this whole thread I think. I think there's no way that all town is involved in this like sicklucker seems to think, it was a great lynch at the time and everyone hit the panic button on it
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It's not that Koshi stuck to his guns, it's that when I read through his filter and ctrl-f'd for Vivax and found where he started thinking Vivax was mafia, everything else he did for the next ~2 hours where he pushed Vivax and asked questions and whatnot fit 100% with someone noticing something suspicious -> probing it to see if there's anything to it -> discovering something to it -> voting and pushing. It just looks like a townie mindset all the way to me.
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i thought his case was ridiculous
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Is this real life? I said lynch vivax. I said batsnacks might be town. I wake up. Vivax 2 votes. Batsnacks ded.
Is this real life?
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On January 02 2015 16:08 Koshi wrote:
Is this real life? I said lynch vivax. I said batsnacks might be town. I wake up. Vivax 2 votes. Batsnacks ded.
Is this real life?
should try not sleeping
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On January 02 2015 16:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 16:01 Eden1892 wrote:On January 02 2015 15:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with his first point so idk. SL has said some shit that i didn't like and some stuff i did like. i'll check his filter too.
I kinda have you leaning scummy rn eden, we might as well talk now since this my only day off work this week. I will have to be much less active for the next 4 days or so. What's up? I don't feel like messing with vote count analysis any more right now. What do you think about geript? I feel like his explanation is obviously BS and yet at the same time it's hard to understand why he wouldn't just put the nail in town!batsnacks coffin if he were mafia. Well the main thing is that after he leaves the thread he comes back like he's ready to take the game seriously and then this. if he's scum i could see him just going into panic mode and doing something stupid, if he was town he would have been putting up a bigger fight this whole thread I think. I think there's no way that all town is involved in this like sicklucker seems to think, it was a great lynch at the time and everyone hit the panic button on it
I tend to agree re: geript. I'm trying to be charitable and find reasons not to kill him because the two posts I quoted have me seeing red, but I don't get it. It was a good lynch.
Also tending to agree that that wasn't an all-townie play but I don't know who to look at per se. Artanis is the first person that comes to mind for a couple of reasons:
- of the people who ended up voting batsnacks, he sticks out most in my memory as egging me on
- of the batsnacks voters, he was on Chyz first, not geript; that's where I think a mafia trying to swing a lynch away from geript would be
- he bounced from the thread immediately post-flip; admittedly not a strong point given the time in the Netherlands but it seemed a little abrupt
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On January 02 2015 16:08 Koshi wrote:
Is this real life? I said lynch vivax. I said batsnacks might be town. I wake up. Vivax 2 votes. Batsnacks ded.
Is this real life?
Good news though, I decided you were a good guy in my vote count analysis.
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Artanis was giving me weird red vibes way earlier but his logic in slaying geript was strong. I'd have to read his filter too conspiratorial for him to even bother responding to
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I'll still be lurking if anyone wants to talk about anything. I'll be checking up on koshi, ritoky, damdred and artanis' filter and post my final thoughts in consideration before I head to work tomorrow for sure in case I'm killed.
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On January 02 2015 16:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis was giving me weird red vibes way earlier but his logic in slaying geript was strong. I'd have to read his filter too conspiratorial for him to even bother responding to
i mean, if it's so strong, why did he move to chyz...?
thoughts on sicklucker? he's playin like str8 bootyjuice right now but I feel like he's still town.
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I have no reason to think sicklucker is town. What you feel doesn't have perfect memory of his posts, can't hesitate from a hunch you gotta trust in your analysis
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On January 02 2015 16:00 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip. On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:I kount vot ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (3): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (4): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker Not Voting: folks Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched.
until deadline. First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are: Superbia ritoky Koshi geript Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here. Superbia: Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way. I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia? ritoky: After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker). This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote." Koshi: Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location. Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town. geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. TL;DR ritoky, Superbia mafia geript wtf You shouldn't do such baller analysis -- you might die in the night. P.S. I came to the same conclusion as your regarding your scum reads. Excellent work
Thanks bae. Anything to add?
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Why do you feel like he's town? Skim a few pages of his filter and see if you feel any different
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On January 02 2015 16:24 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 16:00 IAmRobik wrote:On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip. On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:I kount vot ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (3): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (4): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker Not Voting: folks Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched.
until deadline. First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are: Superbia ritoky Koshi geript Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here. Superbia: Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way. I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia? ritoky: After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker). This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote." Koshi: Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location. Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town. geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. TL;DR ritoky, Superbia mafia geript wtf You shouldn't do such baller analysis -- you might die in the night. P.S. I came to the same conclusion as your regarding your scum reads. Excellent work Thanks bae. Anything to add?
Not really. I was just randomly clicking on filters and I saw that superbia's was utter garbage and we should lynch him like 90% of the time tomorrow
Then I remembered how much I wanted to lynch Ritoky.
So like I said, you done did great (no that's not an error)
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Superbia has to be mafia right? Im reading like 7 towns voting bats that means mafia is alot of lurkers.
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On January 02 2015 16:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why do you feel like he's town? Skim a few pages of his filter and see if you feel any different
I read the first and last page and I feel the same for no intelligible reason. He just seems so... childlike. Not childish but childlike. That quadruple text message saying "Bae dont go  " where he even misspelled my name is just too much. Lemme reread it when I get a chance tomorrow and decide, ok?
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so we're lynching sicklucker like...immediately and unanimously at the start of next phase right?
spends most of phase talking about why geript is mafia, randomly shennanie hammers a town for no stated reason coming off of the guy he hast stated is role hunting and mafia....guy was mafia last phase, still mafia this phase. needs to die immediately. like 0 questions asked.
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I dont think artanis and gerts can be mafia together.. They had some really weird convos about me where artanis defended me and made gerts look super bad for having no reason to scum read me.
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On January 02 2015 16:34 ritoky wrote:
so we're lynching sicklucker like...immediately and unanimously at the start of next phase right?
spends most of phase talking about why geript is mafia, randomly shennanie hammers a town for no stated reason coming off of the guy he hast stated is role hunting and mafia....guy was mafia last phase, still mafia this phase. needs to die immediately. like 0 questions asked.
Welcome back to the land of the living. (I apologize in advance if anyone died in the ER.)
What happened to pushing this read when you had a chance to get him lynched?
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