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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading. I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters. On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all. On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior. On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't. On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote: Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL. So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess. The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard The reasons he now claims to think I am town: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote: I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 02 2015 06:35 batsnacks wrote: Hey I'm phone posting But I want to do town a favor and take the plunge first. I'll be happy to vote either lazor or robik today. I want to vote lazor because his dialogue with Damdred that I quoted was extremely defensive over such a small question. And that post where he voted geript. He spent a huge paragraph explaining why he's not voting chyz just to be super justified and then sheeped. Looked really scummy to me. ##vote: lazormonkey I don't get why you guys think my response to Damdred was scummy. I litteraly said that Artanis had a "fair enough point" i.e. I thought what he was saying made sense. I mean... its really fucking simple and I feel like not even a five-year-old would have problem understanding the logic in - I suspect Koshi a lot - Artanis says x which is why he doesn't want to vote Koshi - I say Artanis has a point - I now suspect Koshi less. How the fuck does this make me scum??? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 02 2015 07:50 ritoky wrote: + Show Spoiler [wall of text] + On January 01 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Forcing yourself to have a read on people that are null is pretty dumb and I have no idea why you consider me being torn on Chyz when there's been so many words on him scummy. Can you explain that to me? I also have no idea why you think that geript quote is super town. Whyo do you feel JAT is "bleeding town out of every orifice"? JAT has completely ransacked a bunch of good town players in one game and I haven't seen anything from him that I think he's incapable of doing as mafia. Why is Robik on the town pile when your reads state nothing townie about him other than a vague promise, and why is RoL scum for saying the exact same thing? Dr. H, your wall of texts tend to K.O. me. Could you run the most important points by me as brief as possible? forcing myself to place people in a definitive pile in my notes is more beneficial for me; particularly on day 1. i think most people should take definitive stances on players personally. the prevalence of null reads being seen as okay only allows mafia to hide better by giving them frequently and ignoring partners. as for you being torn on chyz, i was quoting your post: On January 01 2015 02:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Missed this post earlier. I'd remove Chyz. I'm really torn on him right now. I think Eden is also likely town for prying into every little hole, though I haven't seen him play scum so I'm not sure if he does the same as scum but it fits his town meta even if the bit about Dr.H in the start was a bit weird. I definitely don't want to lynch him D1 in any case. I haven't paid much attention to sicklucker, and I like Kelsier for how he's been pressuring people and asking questions. Here's you stating you're torn on chyz and want geript to remove him from his town list. i see since you have moved on to placing geript as your top scum, will be interested in how you went from talking to him like he is pretty town right here to voting for him as scum when i get there in the thread. as for the read on geript. there's something really town about him electing to withhold information there when he is under pressure. like someone is prying into him for information and rather than be like "here you go to appease you" he tells the person to piss off and he will deliver it later. haven't caught up, don't know if he has. if he hasn't delivered then that's a probelm; if he has then he is town. re: JAT, he is town. read his filter, if you can't see why it is plain as day he is town then you're reading a different thread than i am. i think no one in the entire game is more town than JAT. i think i have only played with him once when he was mafia and like 4x when he was town. the 1 time he was mafia was really apparent based on his voting record. robik i am willing to wait a day on because i respect his aggro play as town, it makes an environment that is hard for scum to thrive in. he promises, if he doesn't deliver he dies tomorrow. plain and simple. i have some hesitations because he is doing a lot of reacting instead of acting which isn't his town style, but i am willing to hold off 1 day. you're misrepresenting my reads if you think my RoL read is the same: On January 01 2015 09:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: alrighty then. I apparently missed my role PM just got it. Hi everyone. Let me go catch up to the apparent 25 pages of most likely nonsense that has been posted. this post is a complete mafia lurker prototypical post. "hi i am here, everyone notice me for a second then forget about me, i am behind in pages that is why i am not doing well, will deliver on it later! also i don't have much time!" people who post like this especially early (that aren't named GB) never deliver the goods and usually squeak into the late phases of the game as mafia. I don't change my tone unless prompted when talking to my suspects. Geript remained civilized through the conduct and thus so did I. I find your reasoning pretty thin. You're inferring a lot from quite little with RoL and Robik and you're not being very specific with JAT. Maybe you can read him better than I can, or you haven't seen his Mafia A-game yet. I think you believe what you're saying though so I don't want to lynch you today. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: huh? you don't wanna lynch geript today because you're reading him as disinterested town and scummy at the same time? what is this read? and i think this and a couple other points imply he believes chyz to be deflecting, if he makes this point without thinking geript is mafia then it makes no sense. he does, so i can understand it. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:11 batsnacks wrote: I think it would help you -a lot- if you tried making your case without using quotes at all. i wouldn't really know how. that was the common idea when I played including filling an entire persons post history with red and such. if you are all willing me to work with me on this, what would be a better way of presenting my case? do you know how frustrating it is to just straight up see people saying tl;dr in a game that relies on careful reading. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote: because where i was @ in the thread he didn't have a clearly established read (i am currently back around page 52ish) and i think this and a couple other points imply he believes chyz to be deflecting, if he makes this point without thinking geript is mafia then it makes no sense. he does, so i can understand it. this line makes sense either way but I do think geript and thechyz are mafia teammates along with batsnacks | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote: I think Vivax is mafia. I know his scum meta as trying to stir shit up. Considering the holidays I'm not ready to jump on anybody for activity, if he's not a big part of the conversation in day 2 then something is very wrong | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:21 Eden1892 wrote: Quick check in at work, Chyz looks like newbie town instead of mafia to me. He did a big pbp analysis of Lazermonkey which reminds me of all the times I've done pbp because I thought I really had something going. I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though. You seem like you like reading. I went through it and show where he misrepresents lm intentionally. You need to be sheeping me rn. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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justanothertownie
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On January 02 2015 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i wouldn't really know how. that was the common idea when I played including filling an entire persons post history with red and such. if you are all willing me to work with me on this, what would be a better way of presenting my case? do you know how frustrating it is to just straight up see people saying tl;dr in a game that relies on careful reading. You are right. This game relies on careful reading and this is exactly the reason why you should keep your cases short and to the point. Post by post analysis just clutters up the thread. If someone is scum he won't slip in every post he makes. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote: LM is like confirmed town. There isn't a scummy soul that doesn't want to lynch him. This not an argument. Marv used this for Haru in heavyweight too. It just doesn't work. If a scummer is scumming hard then his teammates will bus him -> everyone wants to lynch him. | ||
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ok my last two posts on him arent that long. Are you just gonna ignore it again anyway? Im not gonna stop beating this drum after that terrible lm analysis he just posted. I am tempted not to read it because I already saw that you quoted the same posts again and I don't think you will have something new to say about them. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On January 02 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't change my tone unless prompted when talking to my suspects. Geript remained civilized through the conduct and thus so did I. I find your reasoning pretty thin. You're inferring a lot from quite little with RoL and Robik and you're not being very specific with JAT. Maybe you can read him better than I can, or you haven't seen his Mafia A-game yet. I think you believe what you're saying though so I don't want to lynch you today. if you actually have that much control over your tone, that's a bit scary. and what reasoning is thin? gotta be more specific, and show me what "thick" reasoning on day 1 would look like. my read on robik is primarily from my personal value of him when he is town. i think he is great as aggro town, if you don't agree, meh don't care. RoL's only post is a prototypical mafia lurker post, it's not like i have a wealth of information to read him from and i am specifically not doing null reads in my notes. as for JAT, show me why he isn't town. | ||
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