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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 00:55 GMT
#1438
Artanis why are you assuming that because this doesn't look like my town play it doesn't make me town? It's not like this looks like my scumplay either?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 01:29 GMT
#1509
Artanis. You make me sad.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:03 GMT
#1580
On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad.

You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town

Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:04 GMT
#1582
also since it was missed:
## unvote
##vote Vivax
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:09 GMT
#1592
On January 02 2015 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad.

You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town

Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on.

When you say caught early on do you mean Marvs null read that you flipped over? What im hearing here is you gave up the second you got accused. Its day fucking 1 and the wagon isnt necessarily running roughshod over you.

Honestly DrH, you're either being a complete dumbass here today or you're mafia. Like I've told you 20 times. Take a valium. Take 80. Literally all your doing is being an asshole and harassing people. Which fwiw, is his scum meta. If people are curious, look at bluelightz. Listen to the mafia podcasts (he says so himself).

I rescind my townread on DrH.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:12 GMT
#1598
On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense

It's not a fucking defense. It's the truth. There's a point when people become so hung up in their own bad logic and reasoning that many times the best solution is to force them out of it. There's really not a good way for me to do that other than die. Plus, if I by some miracle don't get lynched, then every day I'm alive people will be 100% focusing on something that's absolutely worthless. Mafia isn't just about finding mafia. Sometimes it's also assessing the situation and making the right play. If it's the bold play or the selfless play or what not, I do what I fucking think is right for town. So yah. I've posted my thoughts. I've made sure that people know where I stand on things. Koshi's read on Vivax is actually quite solid IMO. That said, town also needs to move the fuck on.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:21 GMT
#1610
On January 02 2015 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad.

You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town

Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on.

If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum)

If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though.
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On January 02 2015 11:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 11:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 02 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax: Concrete things I didn't like about Geript.
-Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi)
-Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it)
-Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler +
On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote:
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On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?

Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly.

-A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned.
-Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] +
On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote:
First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read.

On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote:
In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player.

On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
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On January 01 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean, he's on track for a >10pg filter by the end of day 1 and the most prominent memories I have of him are obnoxiously pushy questions that don't have a clear endgame and asking the cool kids what to think. Seems like he's said a lot so far in terms of post count but a little in terms of actual value.

This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well.

On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote:
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On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:

people i don't want to lynch for some reason:

1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892

Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:

5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz

Wat r u doing

2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia

Some PoE title:

3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky

I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.

I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile.

4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching.
-Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler +
On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote:
On January 02 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar, do you still believe Geript to be the best lynch today?

Yes.

One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me.

Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched.

I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league.


That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind.

Also have a look at batsnacks.

But no one's even voted batsnacks yet, I'll look into him D2.
On January 02 2015 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis, do me a favor and scan thru his filter from his last game...should make it v apparent

I take it you're referring to your enfant terrible? Will do.

Thats not an excuse. What difference is there between one vote on Vivax and 0 on batsnacks? There are still 3 hours until deadline and I might push for a batsnacks lynch.

Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am.

Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation?

I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town.
I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:23 GMT
#1613
On January 02 2015 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 11:12 geript wrote:
On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense

It's not a fucking defense. It's the truth. There's a point when people become so hung up in their own bad logic and reasoning that many times the best solution is to force them out of it. There's really not a good way for me to do that other than die. Plus, if I by some miracle don't get lynched, then every day I'm alive people will be 100% focusing on something that's absolutely worthless. Mafia isn't just about finding mafia. Sometimes it's also assessing the situation and making the right play. If it's the bold play or the selfless play or what not, I do what I fucking think is right for town. So yah. I've posted my thoughts. I've made sure that people know where I stand on things. Koshi's read on Vivax is actually quite solid IMO. That said, town also needs to move the fuck on.

There are hours left and there are other wagons too. There are a few people who agree with you on vivax, why dont you talk about that instead of flinging shit at me. Apparently you had little problem with me up until right this second and you seem very convinced you will be lynched when I'm not sure anyone saw it that way until you threw a tantrum just now

If they didn't see that I had about a 60% chance of being lynched as of idk 18 hours into the game, then they're just bad at reading the tone and temper of the game. When you have 5 or so Vets wiling to lynch you and most of them pushing for your lynch, it's pretty obvious how things are going to pan out.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 02:56 GMT
#1651
Just for you Artanis
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 03:10 GMT
#1659
On January 01 2015 07:23 batsnacks wrote:
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On January 01 2015 07:23 geript wrote:
On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch?

No I don't think we should ignore newer players. I do think that to get a correct read on them you often need to give them slack and let them hang themselves (or others) with it rather than wrap the noose tight around their necks. I'm fine with trial by fire. But there are productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do that. Your tunnel is the latter.


Do you still think what I posted is a crackpot theory?

This post is pretty weird to me. I missed it previously but Bat's theory that Chyz rehashed his Koshi read in order to get people on his side again was crackpot. Why does he ask again? How does that even relate to my response to DrH? It bugs me.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 03:14 GMT
#1660
On January 01 2015 11:15 batsnacks wrote:
Doesn't anyone want to talk about reads or something? I know there are ppl here I can see the thread views going up.

This bugs me too. Not because he doesn't want to talk, but when Bat comes back to the thread Ritoky had made a list post having Bat as town but he doesn't really care about that post at all. Not definitive but at least worth looking at.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 03:23 GMT
#1663
I do, but it also requires a bunch of work and I'm honestly not sure I'm wholly up for that while also trying to talk to the shadow.

FWIW, GB and Kelsier are probably both town. Kelsier tied himself to GB in a very towny way. Little reason to do that as mafia. That's two more people cleared out:

Town:
Koshi
GB
Damred
Kelsier

you can look back for the rest. Not sure DrH is actually town any more, good odds of it, but he's a spammy player and he's seemingly been one blind tunnel into the next. At some point usually as town he'd either lose it entirely or take a step back and reconsider things. Marv's still probably scum. Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 03:55 GMT
#1685
Is there a current vote count? I'd like to get off a good lynch but I don't think Chyz is it.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 05:24 GMT
#1813
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 05:25 GMT
#1814
On January 02 2015 14:12 Eden1892 wrote:
So geript why the late vote switch?

Actually, I had voted for him in thread twice, I just didn't realize there was a voting thread.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 23:30 GMT
#2461
On January 03 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:
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On January 03 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi, what do you make of the final votecount?

That there are not enough votes on Vivax.

Been half catching up. Not sure if I have D&D tonight so maybe I'll be on all night or not. But yah.

A few things I've noticed. First off, there's every reason to move off of me and onto Batsnacks if you're mafia. Take a look at Russian. I semi-organized, semi-let-it-happen a late switch off of Damdred iirc and onto someone else (a lurker maybe). It sent town into a huge tizzy and Damdred likely would've been the lynch the next day regardless of Rayn getting modkilled. There's a bunch of reason to keep me around as mafia. You can get cop to out with a red check (a double boon). You get a freebie mislynch. I think there's actually pretty good odds that there's 2 mafia on Batsnacks, 1 on me, 1 not on main wagons and 1 anywhere.

On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
I kount vot and stahp it


ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia
TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]
DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi
geript (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Eden1892, batsnacks
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks
IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sickl6ucker, IAmRobik

Not Voting: folks

batsnacks is lynched.

until deadline.




There are a few interesting things to note. Despite most everyone reading Koshi as town and calling his points on Vivax valid. Almost no one sheeped that. That's actually quite odd as he's quite a good player. Artanis switching to Batsnacks might not be awful; he had solid enough reasons to reason that I'm not mafia. The question though is why are other people switching. Palmer and Marv both want me dead. DrH wants me dead; he'd love to shoot Chyz. But he ends up Batsnacks seemingly out of nowhere. Ritoky only voted once but wants to lynch sicklucker for "hammering" Batsnacks. Superbia is likely either medic or mafia. So far from what I've read of Vivax he hasn't really had his oddball town way of looking at things. I'll double check when I get back, but he's a good flip for Koshi's reasons too. The mafia on me is likely LazerM. Marv might actually be town; I really don't know. I waffle on him something good.

I'm not sure who or where the fifth is. Kinda lost and need to reread and shit. But from filtering this is where I'm at now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 23:59 GMT
#2487
Marv/Palmer, can you guys explain what I'm missing on Eden?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 03 2015 05:48 GMT
#2690
Why would the medic heal anyone but Koshi? Why did they shoot Eden? That's a really out of place NK.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 03 2015 05:50 GMT
#2693
At least one of Marv, Palmer, VE or Artanis is mafia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 03 2015 05:51 GMT
#2695
On January 03 2015 14:49 IAmRobik wrote:
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On January 03 2015 14:48 geript wrote:
Why would the medic heal anyone but Koshi? Why did they shoot Eden? That's a really out of place NK.

fuck no. eden was like 1000x more towny than koshi. Eden was the towniest town that ever towned in this town

I see you're still being useless and wrong.
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