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On January 03 2015 09:32 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Eden I thought at first was just nice but he always trying too hard not to ruffle feathers and seems to lack too much confidence at this point in the game. he seemed more confident in the first two hours of the game I wouldn't say I lack confidence, but I am on principle trying not to ruffle feathers, yes. There's another long-winded explanation for this involving out-of-game stuff that will give Robik an aneurysm if I explain though. 
Do you remember that monologue you started when DrH gave you ways of suspicion? Care to explain why you'd somehow talk like you're silently making the narrative up to yourself other than simply calling these things out in the thread and get DrH or anyone else to get some feedback on it?
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On January 03 2015 09:32 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Eden I thought at first was just nice but he always trying too hard not to ruffle feathers and seems to lack too much confidence at this point in the game. he seemed more confident in the first two hours of the game I wouldn't say I lack confidence, but I am on principle trying not to ruffle feathers, yes. There's another long-winded explanation for this involving out-of-game stuff that will give Robik an aneurysm if I explain though.
Do you remember that monologue you started when DrH gave you ways of suspicion? Care to explain why you'd somehow talk like you're silently making the narrative up to yourself other than simply calling these things out in the thread and get DrH or anyone else to get some feedback on it?
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Kinda bugs me how Eden first scumreads Doc, then scumreads Chyz, then goes on with saying "One or the other is mafia" when they have been in such a clińch. Excluding a bussing here cause of that ragequit from Chyz. But I feel like Eden has been way less vocal about DrH than say TheCyyz.
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On January 03 2015 10:14 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote:
Kinda bugs me how Eden first scumreads Doc, then scumreads Chyz, then goes on with saying "One or the other is mafia" when they have been in such a clińch. Excluding a bussing here cause of that ragequit from Chyz. But I feel like Eden has been way less vocal about DrH than say TheCyyz. Er... sorry, what was the end point here? I know what you're referencing but I'm not following what you mean. I scumread Doc about an hour into d1 for reasons I don't remember now, I scumread Chyz for his entry post. Don't remember exactly when I said "one or the other is mafia" (fairly certain it was in the morning/early afternoon of NYE my time, which would be first half of d1) so I don't remember what prompted me to say it, but I do remember saying this. It ended up not being important because both Doc and Chyz helped me clarify my reads on them with certain other actions later into d1. Where are you going here? It is a little odd to me that you're bringing up some things I said about Doc and Chyz from relatively early in d1 that aren't really relevant to my reads on them now.
Would you kindly point out how Doc and Cyz helped you clarify your reads on them and what the outcome was?
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On checkin Eden's filter I get the feeling he didn't even have scumreads as of late, while Koshi clearly had a few.
I'm sorry for him (and for myself) that he's so bad at reading me, but I wouldn't discard his other reads as potential NK magnets.
On January 03 2015 22:16 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how much I'll be around today. I think lynching Vivax is a fine idea. See you later guys.
lol
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On January 03 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Too many people want to just afk vote vivax here and do nothing. Why so lazy ?
Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat?
No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad
Seriously?
A FRIEND!
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Honestly this willingness of marv to kill me quickly makes me suspicious. He's usually a guy who tries to put in some effort into reading me and mostly reads me correctly until the point where I piss him off in some way and get lynched and since this didn't happen this game I wonder why he's trying to quickstart the wagon without thinking critically.
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On January 03 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Too many people want to just afk vote vivax here and do nothing. Why so lazy ?
Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat?
No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad
Seriously? it doesn't? (koshi being town) what the poop is the point of wifoming about night kills? koshi isn't a surprising kill regardless of who he was pushing at the time, and mafia tend far more to kill people who are a danger to them then otherwise. tldr it's all wifom so what's the point in even speculating about it? did you not read Vivax pushing jat? Where jat pointed out that literally the next quote in his filter was a correction/disproved what Vivax was saying? the reasons are just so ungenuine. Vivax is a relatively solid townplayer and that push was... not
Yes, he correct himself saying WHAT his scumreads were, right? But still, in the previous post he tried to hyperbolize that element of his case by saying he had none, which he later changed to how he handled them cause saying he had none was an outright lie and somebody would pick up on that.
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For me, it's still suspicious how he went from saying "bats has no scumreads" to then talking about how he doesn't interact with them. HE exaggerated willingly.
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On January 03 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
do you really believe what you're writing?
What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments.
Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me.
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On January 03 2015 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Too many people want to just afk vote vivax here and do nothing. Why so lazy ?
Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat?
No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad
Seriously? it doesn't? (koshi being town) what the poop is the point of wifoming about night kills? koshi isn't a surprising kill regardless of who he was pushing at the time, and mafia tend far more to kill people who are a danger to them then otherwise. tldr it's all wifom so what's the point in even speculating about it? did you not read Vivax pushing jat? Where jat pointed out that literally the next quote in his filter was a correction/disproved what Vivax was saying? the reasons are just so ungenuine. Vivax is a relatively solid townplayer and that push was... not I did read the case I just wanted to see what you thought about it. I think night kills are pretty important to analyse. I mean before Koshi died vivax was a discussion to be lynched but I mean I think geript or SL or Dam were other names that I would have preferred to lynch, now no one gives a fuck about them and is like, lynch vivax AFK. SL I can sort of understand because the post by eden was good but like no one is even considering other people and that makes me pause for concern. @Vivax, Who did you scum read d1, was it a strong scum read?
I think it's still pretty clear that at the time I wasn't convinced by the arguments presented by Artanis and DrH about geript but I felt that DrH's case was appealing and I also said what I didn't like about TheChyz, plus concerns about Lazermonkey for his weird post where he talks so much about some guy cause he's indecisive on him but only spends a fraction of that post talking about his scumread.
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The scumread was as strong as it could be for a guy with an incomplete picture of the game, so I can't say I was confident about what I was doing as everyone was way more up to date than me, reflected in that post where I say I might be bad for not scumreading geript.
And revisiting the start of D1 during the night I did find something odd about geript but nobody picked up on it when I mentioned it in thread.
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On January 03 2015 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
do you really believe what you're writing? What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments. Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me. so I don't think what JAT did was mafia orientated. He was saying as scum bats doesn't interact with his scum reads and as town he does right. I didn't see a contradiction. I think even town will exaggerate things to get their point across, if you scum read someone you want other people in town to believe it.
Yes and here I saw the discrepancy. JAT basically tried to find reasons for geript being town prior to voting for him, the reasons for him being scum are in the ancient era of his filter and he never kept harping on them. They only showed up after multiple people posted their suspicion on geript. Then he votes geript after finding reasons for actually not scumreading him.
And when the geript wagon is rolling he even goes as far as exaggerating to get to another lynch. He claims it's cause he was that confident about bats but then I don't understand why he joined the geript wagon first and then started pushing bats. And also, what happened to his other two reads when he joined the geript wagon? He points out he's suspicious of LM and ritoky at some point but the followup is still that pointless conversational style that makes him look active but also makes him zero productive.
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On January 03 2015 22:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 22:37 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 22:34 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2015 22:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Too many people want to just afk vote vivax here and do nothing. Why so lazy ?
Marv how does koshi being town make vivax scum? Can you explain what is bad about his case on jat?
No one considers the world where mafia kill.koshi to make.vivax seem bad
Seriously? it doesn't? (koshi being town) what the poop is the point of wifoming about night kills? koshi isn't a surprising kill regardless of who he was pushing at the time, and mafia tend far more to kill people who are a danger to them then otherwise. tldr it's all wifom so what's the point in even speculating about it? did you not read Vivax pushing jat? Where jat pointed out that literally the next quote in his filter was a correction/disproved what Vivax was saying? the reasons are just so ungenuine. Vivax is a relatively solid townplayer and that push was... not I did read the case I just wanted to see what you thought about it. I think night kills are pretty important to analyse. I mean before Koshi died vivax was a discussion to be lynched but I mean I think geript or SL or Dam were other names that I would have preferred to lynch, now no one gives a fuck about them and is like, lynch vivax AFK. SL I can sort of understand because the post by eden was good but like no one is even considering other people and that makes me pause for concern. @Vivax, Who did you scum read d1, was it a strong scum read? I think it's still pretty clear that at the time I wasn't convinced by the arguments presented by Artanis and DrH about geript but I felt that DrH's case was appealing and I also said what I didn't like about TheChyz, plus concerns about Lazermonkey for his weird post where he talks so much about some guy cause he's indecisive on him but only spends a fraction of that post talking about his scumread. So Vivax, there is something that stands out in my mind from when you correctly found Xat and me as mafia in the carol game. Show nested quote +On December 11 2014 02:00 Vivax wrote:I found your followup fairly weak cause after scumreading fecal and people giving your argument low weight you preferred to focus on other stuff rather than on trying to start a wagon on him. It's like you were content with just having a read out for some reason rather than actually getting people to follow it. Scum doesn't care if their read has weight in the town as long as people buy their explanations even when they don't agree with it and it looks like they're scumhunting. When I think someone is scum I'll look in their filter for as long as it takes to find the things proving that they are and to convince other people, and when people still don't listen I'll usually get very wordy, or contest the leading lynch. That's how I play town, and how you don't, so I think you're scummy and hence that answers:
not sure why you are determined to throw scum on me.
I didn't get that impression from you D1 at all. if you are saying you are clear who you thought was scum do you really think you put in all your effort to convince people?
D1 was fucking NYE and I reserve myself the right to have an handicap on that day from partying and stuff. I came back late evening slightly hungover and with a lot of pressure on me just for looking bad cause I didn't have the game feeling everyone else did, and I surely didn't spend all my energies on reading the whole thread that day.
Focus on what I'm doing since N1 and until now since that's the unhandicapped me.
Now, in my filter is one bit about geript from N1 that has been ignored. Some bits about Eden that don't matter any more as he simply had a style of posting that seemed odd to me, but turned out to be townie, and the stuff about JAT that at the moment doesn't resonate at all.
Anyway, now I think it's worth taking a look at marv since 1) He's alive, 2) He's pushing for my lynch without batting an eyelid and I'm not mafia.
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On January 03 2015 22:51 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 22:47 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 22:37 KelsierSC wrote:On January 03 2015 22:34 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 22:32 marvellosity wrote:
do you really believe what you're writing? What am I doing wrong? Like, if you know better don't just stand around and tell me I'm bullshitting show me what I misunderstood and lead me to a better track instead of standing on the sidelines and just throwing around snarky comments. Show me why I'm wrong on JAT, or tell me where my argument is wrong, or tell me who a better lynch is who isn't me. so I don't think what JAT did was mafia orientated. He was saying as scum bats doesn't interact with his scum reads and as town he does right. I didn't see a contradiction. I think even town will exaggerate things to get their point across, if you scum read someone you want other people in town to believe it. Yes and here I saw the discrepancy. JAT basically tried to find reasons for geript being town prior to voting for him, the reasons for him being scum are in the ancient era of his filter and he never kept harping on them. They only showed up after multiple people posted their suspicion on geript. Then he votes geript after finding reasons for actually not scumreading him. And when the geript wagon is rolling he even goes as far as exaggerating to get to another lynch. He claims it's cause he was that confident about bats but then I don't understand why he joined the geript wagon first and then started pushing bats. And also, what happened to his other two reads when he joined the geript wagon? He points out he's suspicious of LM and ritoky at some point but the followup is still that pointless conversational style that makes him look active but also makes him zero productive. See for me one of the reasons I don't scum read JAT for his vote is because I don't see him scum reading geript d1, I think he even says "I don't know about geript" or something like that. So honestly if he has a better read I can understand him changing onto bats. I think he should have been more active and changed after dam and SL jumped in with bad reasons but I don't scum read him at this point.
I asked him about it, he said he had a scumread on geript when he voted for him, cause I accused him of not having one. Does that change your view?
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On January 03 2015 22:56 KelsierSC wrote:
19 page filter though
Precisely the reason why I hate it. When I asked him where he scumread geript, he said I had to go look for it myself. I found it somewhere in the first half of D1 I think.
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On January 03 2015 22:27 Vivax wrote:
Honestly this willingness of marv to kill me quickly makes me suspicious. He's usually a guy who tries to put in some effort into reading me and mostly reads me correctly until the point where I piss him off in some way and get lynched and since this didn't happen this game I wonder why he's trying to quickstart the wagon without thinking critically.
On January 03 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote:it didn't happen this game because you're not playing like town 
And by the way in your opinion I'm only town when I piss you off with my stubborness and and you get me lynched for not playing to your fiddle? This post alone is reaaaaally bad. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
This and the fact that you don't agree with my reads are all the arguments you're bringing forth for me being mafia so I challenge you to find something better. It's like you're using the thread sentiment that most think JAT is town against me to make it to your point for why I'm mafia. If someone looks suspicious to me I'll point out why and if the majority disagrees idgaf, but calling me scum for it is wrong, in the worst case I'm just wrong, and you don't try to discuss my JAT read with me like Kelsier does simply cause JATs posting volume seems townie enough to you, when in truth it's all volume with only little content.
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On January 03 2015 23:04 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't know honestly, I get the impression that he really didn't know what to make of geript d1 and felt nervous lynching him. He sort of scum reads him but isn't sure and changes to bats.
I mean his story adds up and that is the impression I get.
I think JAT is town but I feel like you believe your case on JAT
Like I already mentioned during the night, for me the key now is to figure out geript cause if geript is mafia I'm 100 % sure JAT also is. Since JATs stance on geript is incredibly wishy washy. This is mostly connection based but I simply feel I'm up to something cause of the timing JAT scumreads geript, then soft defends him.
Then he sees the votecount. He doesn't like the people on TheChyz, after soft defending geript he still switches to him. His former scumreads were also LM and ritoky. At that votecount LM had one vote, ritoky had two votes, bats ZERO. So I thought "Why does he go to geript after saying he might be donkey town when there are also two scumreads he claimed to have, of which ritoky is 2 votes away from reaching geript".
Now he's on geript. If he's not confident about him, he could push ritoky or LM who are closer to getting lynched than bats. If he's confident about him, he could simply stay on geript. Instead he initiates a brand new wagon on bats with arguments I perceived as quite misprepresenting.
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I'm currently trying to get insight from the D1 votecount, and I was almost forgetting TheChyz in all this batsnacks matter.
And when I look at TheChyz, I noticed that two flipped townies were on his wagon, plus me, and himself (whatever he is).
I don't know what Artanis and DrH are, but they both switched to bats
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What this tells me is that, assuming 5 scum. They didn't want to get TheChyz lynched, cause he's mafia.
Another possible scenario is geript mafia. TheChyz is the initial counterwagon started by DrH, fueled by Artanis. It doesn't gain enough traction, when geript is close to getting lynched, JAT starts another wagon, bam. DrH and Artanis switch to bats and geript is saved.
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I think a TheChyz lynch should be in the air as an option, as well as geript. JAT for now I'll leave on the backburner as I don't get enough approval with what I've got so far.
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