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On January 01 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: Are all of those associative reads or do you have actual reasons besides "they defended chyz"? 5 scum btw. A little bit of bothm Just throwing that out there. If ritoky is scum thats more interesting. Marv wouldnt bus ritoky this early probably so i dont think theyd be on the same team. Dunno about other guys i havent even looked at but i will get around to looking closely at lazermonkey and some others. The reasons don't matter yet. | ||
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Problem with towns sometimes is everyone feels the need to post constantly every town and null read and thought they have where it can be manipulated by mafia. If i cant have room to wait a few hours for a reaction without you jumping down my throat then this is fucked. | ||
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I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote: Town does too. Playing games almost never makes a mafia out himself - it just annoys fellow townies. it doesn't work because of the way you responded to it | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though. Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time. It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters. | ||
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On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote: does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all. Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end? Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after: On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote: I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me. I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive. I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him. ##Vote: Lazermonkey This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey. On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi everyone Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment. Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality. ##Vote: TheChyz Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things. On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote: I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk. I was scum that game. Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here. " The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right." First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly? On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote: I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way. By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him. Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter. On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much. geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him. I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far. He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order): On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote: Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another ##vote: DoctorHelvetica On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote: Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote: Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me. Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote: I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck? On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote: I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote: Fine. Just keep in mind that being serious is definitely no towntell for him. If he keeps being passive we will lynch him day1 anyways. Like we did last game. serious is the wrong word. i feel like he's trying not to make anyone tilt and marv isn't the kind of person who is concerned with annoying anybody | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:51 geript wrote: Maybe it's just newbie omgus like Chyz, idk. It's just kinda weird how it developed. Like usually when someone has a "gut read" on a vet they tend to have to say or think on the subject especially when they're newer. or it could be fabricated bullshit and an attempt to appear contributive notice how he is also constantly mocking and suspecting others for not having strong enough reads when every time he has one he has to ask the whole thread about it? how about trying to get the thread to turn on me then saying it was all fine and then also i looked good for scumhunting and tunneling him which is the same thing he's also still mad about???? ????? the chyz is scum. | ||
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That means something very very different from "I was fine with him". He was talking bullshit to get me to stop tunneling him . It doesn't make any sense for a town player to be acting like this. | ||
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On January 01 2015 05:54 geript wrote: Besides, wagons that last don't tend to be formed in the first 24. If you really want to lynch Chyz, then you should probably be starting the push into gear around ~16-12 hrs prior to lynch. want me to just post all my town and null reads until then? you have very little to say about the case and now you're just trying to make me shut up. | ||
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