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On January 01 2015 03:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 03:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 02:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space. We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such. On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Hi Robik.
I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation.
Kind regards,
Artanis So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that? Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him. Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff What's the point of this question? On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote:
You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this? But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me. Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for? Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts. Do you have a scumread on Koshi? I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia. Hammering that over and over will not make you being listened to. Just sayin. It would be appreciated if you didn't limit yourself to a tunnel this early in the game. TheChyz is mafia and if you don't agree you should look at his filter more yourself. I will tunnel anyone I want to tunnel, don't tell me to drop a case do you know how bad that makes you look I don't care how bad you think it makes me look. You can of course keep pushing this. What I said is you shouldn't limit yourself to it if you are town. Repeating the same things over and over is not productive or even helpful to your case. Thanks for the advice. Can you explain why TheChyz's initial read on eden makes any sense please?
I see no reason to think it doesn't make sense...
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Don't you think it would be more likely for scum Chyz to take a post from Eden and say "that is what I think is scummy" instead of "he just is?"?
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On January 01 2015 03:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He singles out eden for being noncommittal, defensive, non-aggressive, etc. yet Eden for the whole thread was pressuring people with good questions, putting in effort trying to get a read on me and he actually made a small case for Chyz and voted for him. Only I had voted up until that point. Then he says his own read isn't good enough to vote for, considering that, why would his stance about eden being wishy washy hold any weight
Like I said. Hypocrisy is not a thing only scum does.
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You are just pointing out logical inconsistencies, Dr. H. If you want me to like your case you need to also show me why scum Chyz would do what he is doing. Motivation and mindset etc.
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On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum
The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value.
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On January 01 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value.
talking about YOU*
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On January 01 2015 03:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 03:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He singles out eden for being noncommittal, defensive, non-aggressive, etc. yet Eden for the whole thread was pressuring people with good questions, putting in effort trying to get a read on me and he actually made a small case for Chyz and voted for him. Only I had voted up until that point. Then he says his own read isn't good enough to vote for, considering that, why would his stance about eden being wishy washy hold any weight Like I said. Hypocrisy is not a thing only scum does. Because the read was fabricated. He's accusing eden of doing things eden didn't do, then calls the read garbage, then says it was good again but he won't commit to it until later, then flames me for a while, then calls out lazermonkey for not having a strong read or something.
So? We aren't getting anywhere here.
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On January 01 2015 03:20 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can't we just lynch Robik instead? It's a win/win situation. Either he's town and his streak breaks or he's scum and we get closer to winning. I'm not even scummy. Get your head out of your ass
I think he brings up a very good point there. But unfortunately I also think it is better not to lynch you right now :/
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On January 01 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"
Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.
DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.
rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him. Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you? Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why? Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters. I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read. However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value. I think I somewhat disagree, I think its valuable because of being able to figure out alignments. But that's not exactly my point. The point is laz is giving drh a free pass for the day even though he says deh says a lot of bad things but its more of a null read. (reads like setting up a mislynch later) The Eden read seems like a scum read without any real conclusions. And the rit part is just null. I just don't like where he's going and seems made up a bit
Fair enough.
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On January 01 2015 03:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:20 IAmRobik wrote:On January 01 2015 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can't we just lynch Robik instead? It's a win/win situation. Either he's town and his streak breaks or he's scum and we get closer to winning. I'm not even scummy. Get your head out of your ass Let me help Robik Artanis[Xp] 0/17 = 0.0000% Can't we just lynch Artanis? It's a win/win situation. Either he's town and we break his streak or he's scum and we get closer to winning.
Artanis only has this stat to show since he replaced out of heavyweight like a pussy though.
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On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?
I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.
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On January 01 2015 03:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. 8 hours ago you voted for Dr.H. So I wouldn't say "you were fine with him". Anyway Dr.H. is also not getting lynched today.
Yup.
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On January 01 2015 03:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Look. This is @JAT
Anyone can come in halfway through Day 1 and point out a bunch of people who aren't committed to anything. It takes a long time for people to get entrenched and confident in their reads and it's a VERY easy time for mafia to come in and either FoS or vote for anybody on those grounds. The fact that he chose to do that on a player (eden) who didn't fit his stated reasoning (eden wasn't being defensive or noncommittal or any of those things) is very strange. If he said that about somebody else and it were true I wouldn't have been very interested at all and would agree, like he said, that it was just the best thing he had going. But the reasons were fake. His behavior since has been just as wishy washy and bad, calling me a filter spammer and not addressing anything. Not doing anything to LazerMonkey even when Marv threw his support behind that. Uses the same one size fits all Day 1 case for LazerMonkey as he used for his eden read, everything this guy is doing is setting off red flags for me left and right. Could be a youngminii situation but mafia is about taking risks. I won't be right 100% of the time but even if TheChyz is newb town scum is sweating if they know I'm willing to tunnel like this.
Fine then we just have to agree to disagree. Coming in and calling someone out for something that he supposedly didn't do is something I see town players do way more often than scummers.
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On January 01 2015 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript marv thechyz koshi and someone else i think. Are there 5 scum or 6?
Are all of those associative reads or do you have actual reasons besides "they defended chyz"? 5 scum btw.
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On January 01 2015 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:On January 01 2015 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript marv thechyz koshi and someone else i think. Are there 5 scum or 6? Are all of those associative reads or do you have actual reasons besides "they defended chyz"? 5 scum btw. A little bit of bothm Just throwing that out there. If ritoky is scum thats more interesting. Marv wouldnt bus ritoky this early probably so i dont think theyd be on the same team. Dunno about other guys i havent even looked at but i will get around to looking closely at lazermonkey and some others. The reasons don't matter yet.
Oh, the reasons actually matter a lot. Don't throw out reads that you aren't willing to explain.
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You didn't explain anything, lol.
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Ah, nvm. You are trying to sound like a badass. I get it now. Just know that I am not taking anything you say serious until you tell me why you think what you think.
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On January 01 2015 05:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That's not what I meant. Town is on a need to know basis. I don't need to explain anything to you if I choose not to.
You don't need to but it is in your best interest to do so if you are town.
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On January 01 2015 05:20 Eden1892 wrote:Ugh I don't want to sound like an attention whore but why are my posts being ignored.  JAT, Doc, etc., thoughts on geript? His filter looks like a lot of posting for its own sake and I don't get the sense he's trying to find mafia.
I already said that I don't like geript so far. Seeing no reason to change that.
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Doc, stop acting all high and mighty. Maybe when you played people thought what you just said makes sense but the fact of the matter is that the towns I was part of lynched mafia more often on day1 then town (can you say that for your towngames?) and part of the reason for that is that people post what they think. Because - you know - that is what makes people able to read you town.
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