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On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.
And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.
I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right? It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense. I feel better about Chyz for this post
On January 01 2015 05:01 Eden1892 wrote:
And Doc do you not think anything of Chyz attacking Koshi in one of his more recent posts? I feel like mafia Chyz isn't going to start casting doubt on one of his more vocal defenders itt when someone else is cranking the bulldozer up to 11 on him.
On January 01 2015 06:24 Eden1892 wrote:
If Koshi doesn't start doing something then I might have to throw out my "attack the forgiver" tell and kill Chyz instead.
Currently I'm cool with a geript or Chyz lynch. I guess I'll need to read Lazermonkey and see what the fuss was about too. I kinda miss Palmar and marv and a little bit of Arty (although he's posted a bit), their names and JAT made me interested in the first place and JAT's the only one doing anything so far.
I don't really get why he's not content to NOT vote Chyz after explaining why and posting so much on geript. Like, why isn't Eden on track for geript after this post series?
I'm not quoting the geript parts (hint: In his filter around these posts) but he's been arguing for why geript is mafia and Chyz town and then takes this passive stance where he wants to ignore his own reasoning and puts geript and Chyz on equal footing in his preference, and asking for input from other people, not sure why.
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On January 03 2015 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 23:13 Koshi wrote:
Oh is SL the guy who was softdefending batsnacks with the line "batsnacks is hard to read"? Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 23:13 Koshi wrote:
And then was smug about it when he flipped town?
Oh yeah that guy. Indeed.
Any conclusions from this or is it just some more standard one-liner-clutter for the thread-buttplug that is your filter.
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On January 02 2015 14:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Sorry guys. I had already typed a geript vote in but I didn't hit send. We should probably have a closer look at the people who just came in to push this lynch really late in the day after not doing much earlier. Like Eden, damdred and SL.
Good night.
What's even more interesting is that according to this you should have been more engaged with me in thread when I started posting my stuff on Eden but you preferred playing town coach than give your opinion on the posts I mentioned.
Truly a babbling peasant, maybe mafia.
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On January 03 2015 02:16 Koshi wrote:
Is there any reason why you are being hostile towards jat?
Do you think he is scum?
Yes his noisy presence when I attempted to analyse Eden's posts in thread bothered me and now that I see evidence for him claiming to have some sort of interest into figuring Eden out but then doing exactly the opposite you can expect some more hostility from me.
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And honestly I just hate JATs filter after looking at it. It's a oneliner fest with no analysis. He doesn't play mafia he's simulating a chat session, he even posts to post a single word. 14 pages of trash to sift through, and it's not like a iamperfection style of spamming with some value and drive, it's like reading background noise.
Not sure why but he made me mad.
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On January 03 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Totally believable that Vivax complains about my "towncoaching" and then attacks me for my posting style.
I'm not coaching anyone, I'm complaining that you only make the game unreadable and also yourself unreadable by posting that way. You're the grey eminence chiming in in discussions, throwing little turds of text into them that don't really lead anywhere, and it's unhelpful.
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I want to talk about Eden now.
I think that bit where he mentions TheChyz and then deliberately throws away his own point doesn't make much sense and looks suspicious.
Plus it's that style of inner monologue where it seems more like he's trying to be a narrator than lynch scum.
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On January 03 2015 02:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Still have no idea why vivax is scum. Agree totally with his first post that koshi thinks proves him as scum.
At the start of D1 you were engaged in some discussion with Eden, it didn't appear odd to you that he would mention reasons (to himself) for finding you scummy without ever lashing out at you. It gives me a very static feeling, like filling a jug with water but not being intent on pouring it somewhere.
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On January 03 2015 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 02:27 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Totally believable that Vivax complains about my "towncoaching" and then attacks me for my posting style. I'm not coaching anyone, I'm complaining that you only make the game unreadable and also yourself unreadable by posting that way. You're the grey eminence chiming in in discussions, throwing little turds of text into them that don't really lead anywhere, and it's unhelpful. Weird. In my memory I was the only player who was universally townread day1. So obviously I don't make myself unreadable. In my memory I also got my scumread lynched. So obviously my little turds lead somewhere.
You won't get a townread from me just cause you look like you're contributing when only a small percentage of your actual content can be called that way, you're just noisy, that doesn't make you town, but it can be used to grab townreads since some people use the heuristic that active=town.
I would say active AND completely tryhard is town. To me you just look active, not tryhard, otherwise you would be trying to solve the game based on filter analysis (in this case: Eden) instead of stroking your e-peen with the mislynch you had a part in.
Also looking at the reads you claim. At the start you included ritoky and Lazer in them, later on when the lynch is being decided you completely go for geript and bats. But in all this time between you claiming that ritoky and Lazer are fishy I don't see you doing anything about it, just your standard conversational chatroom play with all talk and no impact.
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In fact it doesn't make sense to me why JAT would keep his vote on bats after noticing geripts vote on me when he claimed marv was 100 % scum. If he mentions it, why doesn't it immediately sway him, it was of enough importance to be mentioned but JAT has this weird preference for bats pre-lynch after all he went through with the geript thingy, being there from the start.
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On January 02 2015 12:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
JAT, are you still there and do you still want to lynch batsnacks? Can you give me the rundown on him? I am sort of here but you know how late it is right now. For batsnacks you have to look at meta. If he is town he is extremely brazen. He does not give a fuck about what people think of him and his reads. He attacks and pushes people doing traps and all that shit. As scum he just tries not to step on anyones toes and generally lacks any scumreads. A perfect example for this is FFL2 mafia. What I see this game is the latter. He defends Chyz and does nothing else. No scumreads, no traps, no crazy behaviour.
In fact he posted the bit about LM which caught my attention so he DID post scumreads. Right now you look to me like you managed to deflect lynch from geript to bats after claiming you want to lynch geript but not TheChyz.
While saying geript is mafia and the only wagon that makes sense for you, you kept looking for another wagon and found it in bats. You attacked GB for his vote on geript cause he claimed to have a townread on him, which actually at that time played against your claimed agenda that you wanted to lynch geript.
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Talking about misrepresentation, JAT? How's this then.
On January 02 2015 12:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
JAT, are you still there and do you still want to lynch batsnacks? Can you give me the rundown on him? I am sort of here but you know how late it is right now. For batsnacks you have to look at meta. If he is town he is extremely brazen. He does not give a fuck about what people think of him and his reads. He attacks and pushes people doing traps and all that shit. As scum he just tries not to step on anyones toes and generally lacks any scumreads. A perfect example for this is FFL2 mafia. What I see this game is the latter. He defends Chyz and does nothing else. No scumreads, no traps, no crazy behaviour.
On January 02 2015 12:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Bats also interacts with his scumreads when he is town. Do you see him interacting with Robik or Lazer here? I don't.
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A Hyperbole "Bats has no scumreads" and later "Bats doesn't interact with his scumreads", like you being perfectly aware he had some but left it out on purpose to get the wagon rolling.
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On January 03 2015 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I will just ignore Vivax and lynch him tomorrow if he keeps this bullshit up.
Threats like this don't work. You either think I'm scum and push me for that, and you said you agreed with Koshi previously, so this is even more odd for you to say. If I'm scum then you should lynch me anyway and not only when I point out the stuff in your filter.
And the misrepresentation hasn't been explained, Kelsier. He turned the bats part from "having no reads" to "not pushing his reads".
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On January 02 2015 10:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:41 ritoky wrote:
saw someone asked for this:
Unofficial vote count:
ritoky (2): sicklucker, superbia
TheChyz (4): Eden1892, Vivax, batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica
geript (4): Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, marvellosity
Lazermonkey (1): TheChyz
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (1): Koshi
Geript is set to be lynched
thread exploded while i was cooking. lol, no way am I voting for Chyz with this votecount
On January 02 2015 10:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:44 IAmRobik wrote:On January 02 2015 10:43 Alakaslam wrote:
TheChyz (5): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica
until deadline. Oh jeez, that's one ugly looking wagon to be on. Where to move my vote -.- My thoughts exactly. I voted geript for now. Still think batsnacks would also be a good lynch though. [/blue][/b]
I mean, look at this post.
Scumreads mentioned until here:
Lazermonkey
Ritoky
(me by saying he could sheep Koshi)
suspicious of bats
Geript?
On January 02 2015 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't know. Geript might actually be town for acting like a complete donkey.
Sifting back through the endless ocean of oneliners I come to this.
Later after the votecount post, JAT votes geript. PoE, doesn't like the people on the Chyz wagon (me, batsnacks I suppose).
His former scumread ritoky has 2 votes.
Instead JAT votes geript, why? Cause he has most votes, why not move people onto ritoky, there was an option for that after all, geript doesn't really seem like his scumread up until that point. But whatever, he picks the popular wagon that isn't TheChyz.
Then he starts pushing bats and actually posting reasons. As you see, the reasons are sometimes hyperbole. Like, going from "he has no scumreads" to criticizing how he handles his scumreads. All pretty...Over the top in my opinion.
On January 02 2015 12:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
JAT, are you still there and do you still want to lynch batsnacks? Can you give me the rundown on him? I am sort of here but you know how late it is right now. For batsnacks you have to look at meta. If he is town he is extremely brazen. He does not give a fuck about what people think of him and his reads. He attacks and pushes people doing traps and all that shit. As scum he just tries not to step on anyones toes and generally lacks any scumreads. A perfect example for this is FFL2 mafia. What I see this game is the latter. He defends Chyz and does nothing else. No scumreads, no traps, no crazy behaviour.
On January 02 2015 12:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Like batsnacks voted for Robik for awful and easy to give reasons and then Lazer at some point. I don't think his reads evolve in any way.
On January 02 2015 12:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 12:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I guess we'll have to look at it on D2 JAT as there don't seem to be enough people around to switch. How do you know?
Then bats shows up. JAT exchanges some words with him, and suddenly finds reasons to switch back to geript, but he doesn't.
On January 02 2015 13:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript why are you ninja voting Vivax? Huh? I thought marv was 100 % mafia?
On January 02 2015 13:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 13:47 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 13:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Tell me who you think is scum and why. If you keep insisting on your stupid policy vote for your townread you are going down. I've already said this. marv and lazer for how they sheeped the geript vote. robik because he's not calling people out or calling people bad. thechyz - claimed scum, self voted, left the thread under pressure. Other interesting people that have been talked about today: vivax - scum vivax I usually associate with being very active d1 then falling off in activity later on in the game. I have played with vivax as scum once and that is how he described his scum meta to me. so this game doesn't exactly align with that scum meta but he's someone I think should be focused on. DrH - had the easiest 15 page d1 filter ever. all he did the entire day was dissect every sentence thechyz wrote. Ok. Why is geript town?
On January 02 2015 14:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Sorry guys. I had already typed a geript vote in but I didn't hit send. We should probably have a closer look at the people who just came in to push this lynch really late in the day after not doing much earlier. Like Eden, damdred and SL.
Good night.
Now it's night, I post some stuff about Eden. Does JAT look at it? No, he starts telling people who blame the batsnacks voters to gtfo.
Kinda a summary of stuff I found scummy about JAT now that I sifted through that ugly filter. Overall no clear motivation to get onto geript except that he was the main wagon. When he did that he had the chance to talk more about his former suspects LM and ritoky who were also minor candidates. When the geript wagon is rolling, he attacks GB at some point for his geript vote cause of the sudden change of mind, understandable, but displays he could also have been bothered by that additional geript vote.
I just get this strong feeling JAT didn't really want to lynch geript and towards the end he played the remorse part for staying on bats when really, the reason he found that gave him another opportunity to switch back to geript right before EoD seemed important to him (why is he voting Vivax and not marv).
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On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense.
You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo.
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If bats was JATS only scumread up until the point where he agreed that geript should be lynched, yet didn't really find a reason to clear bats from suspicion (and he was suspicious of him all the time), and even found reasons for geript to be town earlier, WHY THE REMORSE THAT HE COULDNT VOTE GERIPT. Like, why think "Oh shit I'm lynching the wrong guy" just cause he suddenly saw some reasons to get onto geript but didn't, bats should sitll have been his lynch of choice.
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On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed.
I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky.
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On January 03 2015 03:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:On January 03 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote:On January 03 2015 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Vivax attacks me for voting geript instead of someone else when I wasn't sure about him. Then I attack batsnacks who I have a stronger scumread on and get him lynched. Now Vivax attacks me for this.
None of this makes any fucking sense. You jumped onto the geript wagon for no other reason that he had more votes. You didn't attempt to move people to ritoky or lazer, or bats. Only after being on the geript wagon for as you claim, no strong reason, you initiated a counterpush on bats only. Later you apparently found reasons to vote geript out of spite and cause he was voting me but didn't although you said you intended to. A guy you never found suspicious up until that point suddenly became suspicious but not enough for you to vote. Why? Cause you knew bats was going to flip town imo. Will you finally stop lying? A guy I never found suspicious?! Why does it matter if I votde geript before starting my counterpush or not? There were 2 wagons and I put my vote on the wagon I thought was better. Case closed. I'm not lying, I even quoted the part where you said that geript acting like a donkey might be townie, which is just before the votecount where you decide to pile onto him instead of say, Lazermonkey, or ritoky. Yes, I said that. After saying multiple times that I thought he was scummy. There was no wagon on Lazermonkey or Ritoky at the time. There were 2 wagons. Chyz and geript.
Then why did you try so hard to move people onto the bats wagon if a geript lynch would have sufficed according to what you say now?
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Like, you're on a wagon.
"OH HEY I'M ON A WAGON AGAINST A SCUMMY DUDE"
"LET'S START LISTING ALL THE REASONS FOR WHY BATS IS SCUM, and enjoy the wagon when people get onto it"
"OH HEY GERIPT IS DOING SCUMMY STUFF AGAIN, no comment on bats"
"I'M TEMPTED TO SWITCH TO GERIPT BUT I WON'T"
"OH SHIT SORRY GUISE, I ALMOST SWITCHED"
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