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Vivax
22408 Posts
On January 10 2015 21:33 marvellosity wrote: God everyone's filter is long. I hate that i can't make lazy activity-based assumptions at this stage. And yet, even though he's been dead for a cycle, JAT has more pages than anyone else. What do you think of GBs theory that ritoky is a framer? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 10 2015 21:42 Vivax wrote: And yet, even though he's been dead for a cycle, JAT has more pages than anyone else. What do you think of GBs theory that ritoky is a framer? that's why he was such an easy lazy assumption to make :p GB's theory could be right, but i don't really think mafia puts that much stock in the framer, or at least enough stock to make plays based around it (and possibly provide patterns?). I'd say the absolute best reason to lynch superbia over ritoky from mafia's POV is the ongoing confusion about the cop stuff. Like if Robik hadn't flipped cop, it feels like this day would have been only about the cop claims, and that's valuable time wasted from a mafia PoV | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Marv, it made sense a scum team of SL and Robik to me, after a Robik flip, it's weird that SL sheeped Robik if he is mafia. I still don't know who the last mafia are. SL isn't under my radar. But I think there are better lynch targets. Marv, I wouldn't flip my read on Lazer after a vote count analysis without being pushed just to gain towncred. Come one. If I gain that much towncred I die at night. I only survive if I am mafia. And I'll e obvious mafia after that. You do understand how this is a town play and not a mafia play, I know you do. | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On January 10 2015 21:48 marvellosity wrote: that's why he was such an easy lazy assumption to make :p GB's theory could be right, but i don't really think mafia puts that much stock in the framer, or at least enough stock to make plays based around it (and possibly provide patterns?). I'd say the absolute best reason to lynch superbia over ritoky from mafia's POV is the ongoing confusion about the cop stuff. Like if Robik hadn't flipped cop, it feels like this day would have been only about the cop claims, and that's valuable time wasted from a mafia PoV I think that super didn't basically give himself on a silver plate since he didn't fakeclaim cop during that day. So I think mafia D3 tried to push the lynch onto ritoky, maybe before giving in to voting super. But when I do some thread diving I'll be on the lookout for that. It's quite the opposite to what GB says. Then again I have no idea what they could have been thinking. I mean, ritoky commited himself to claiming cop quite early. I don't know why, did he want to trade himself for super when super is just a goon? | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
There is no motive for Superbia to not hammer ritoky. Neither there is a motive to ritoky to waste his vote on Robik. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Ritoky's fakeclaim made sure that he would die sooner or later, whereas superbia could've actually survived. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
GB what are you getting at with your last post there? You mean Super would hammer ritoky if ritoky wasn't framer? | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 08 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote: I'm off to dota. I'll read later to see if robik is genuinely rescinding (I've missed the pages while making this flowchart). ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pVkDjFU.png) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 11 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote: do you think that palmar really thought anyone but ritoky/superbia were getting lynched though? Why would he make that kind of post then though? Take a look at Palmar's filter and ctr + f "superbia". Its true that he said superbia was likely scum but he didn't do jack shit to push him. Compare this to "damdred", where its clear that Palmar was actively trying to get people on the Damdred wagon during D3. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 11 2015 04:49 marvellosity wrote: i dunno. why not? if Palmar's town then he thinks damdred is the best other wagon. If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that. But you said youself "do you think that palmar really thought anyone but ritoky/superbia were getting lynched though?". Why spend so much time close to the deadline to push someone who probably wasn't getting lynched and not comment on someone that you think think is scum but is likely to get lynched? I don't think this is the strongest point against Palmar but at least something worth to consider. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
tbh i'm just waiting to see if he lives up to his own promises. | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that. Do you think he's mafia? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On January 11 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote: why wouldn't i be cautious? he said he'd defend himself from the lynch and that's what i'll mostly base my decision on most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back. For me it's that he went into serious mode on the day we started lynching scum. I already mentioned this somewhere. Before D3 it was just his random stuff, D3 I was wondering why he became so pushy instead of keeping on with his weird play. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On January 11 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote: why wouldn't i be cautious? he said he'd defend himself from the lynch and that's what i'll mostly base my decision on most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back. I mean sure. But he has been on like all the wrong wagons this far. Especially for a player of his caliber, this should at least raise some warning signs. | ||
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