Imperial Mafia - Page 31

On January 15 2015 11:43 Vivax wrote:
And what about Robik convinced you that SL could be town? The obviously trolly post from Robik? Hard to believe when you were scumreading SL for harder reasons.

On January 15 2015 11:44 Vivax wrote:


Yes but you just used the argument that LM is mafia before he even flipped to prove you're town.

TMI.

On January 15 2015 11:48 sicklucker wrote:
Is their no safe play lynch? one on both sides?

On January 15 2015 11:50 Vivax wrote:
Yes show me all the reasons you saw from Robik and JAT between the last post where you scumread SL and the start of D3.

I doubt you will be able to talk yourself out of this.

On January 15 2015 11:57 Vivax wrote:


Yeah sure, wishy washy story, not backed up by quotes, claiming you don't remember against my ironclad case.

Talk about your scumteam then. LM, then? Me? Then? Did you read my scumgames?

On January 02 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:

This is a 100% bullshit post from Vivax. There is no way town Vivax thinks like this. Vivax also slipped in his own bullshit by saying the red bolded.

That's enough to read Vivax 100% scum. The entire post is such bullshit. VIVAX IS SMART. Yet "he wonders why" or "he can't grasp" very simple stuff.

This is not town Vivax

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Other reason to why Vivax is scum:

You have to understand Vivax posted this on page 59.
While the batsnacks thing happened on page 57.

So Vivax is 2 pages behind. Yet he says this:

This is 4 hours later. HOW IS VIVAX NOT CAUGHT UP YET?

Vivax is bullshitting you people. He is playing you with this entire "I am not caught up" bullshit. He is using it to not draw too much attention to him. Or that people expect him to participate in the ongoing lynch.

Vivax did not touch geript immediately when entering the thread.
Vivax is a town leader. Vivax is smart. Vivax is the true detective.
Vivax was in this thread for multiple hours and did not touch geript. There is no excuse for a townplayer who was "contributing" to not touch geript. He quoted something from batsnacks and Lazermonkey on page 57. Everything around geript happened already. Why is he not participating in the moment?

But he has time to to ask marv 2-3 times why marv wanted Vivax to come to the thread. But Vivax never does anything with marv ignoring him. Or explain why it is important. WHY is it important marv wondered if Vivax would come back? Do you think Vivax would have produced some sick meta read on marv if marv replied? Nope. It was a bullshit random question.

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Dat adhom. Ok. Now you can die.
I made it pretty obvious that my suspicion wasn't because Vivax was inactive on NYE.

This is the second or third post in which Vivax says "that he doesn't understand" why people are thinking he might be scum.


Even if he disagrees with the reason why people read Vivax as scum. He should at least have a grasp on why it is. Or at least question it. Look it up. But no. This game Vivax is from Barcelona and he knows nothing.

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Also notice how he leaves the thread making 4-5 joke posts and making himself popular? If Vivax really was catching up this entire time, he would leave the thread with some sort of -final reads after catching up-. Or at least something concrete.

Not make 5 joke posts and fuck off. Nope. Never.

Vivax was lurking guys. A real not caught up Vivax who was catching up would not be posting so much in the moment stuff. He was caught up and lurking the entire time he was here.

On January 03 2015 14:36 sicklucker wrote:
To vote vivax or to vote gerit it is a decision but a win win.

On January 03 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:

ya. they're all pretty terrible but it's a Palmar-type read so I'm eliminating him. if Robik is town I'm gonna have to adjust my expectations for him down accordingly, but it may just be possible that he's town given Vivax. 1/3 pushing jat like a weirdo seems more likely than 2-3.

anyway, we need to kill vivax and not falter. 2 basic reasons

1.a different reaction to basically everyone bar DrH on Chyz
2.the terrible push on jat, particularly twisty shit like jat already demonstrated of cherrypicking his filter
3.koshi will be mad and he's a qt

if you're not gonna vote vivax, you need to explain *extremely* clearly why

##vote: Vivax

On January 04 2015 01:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Vote Vivax
#Teamkoshi

On January 04 2015 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vivax your D1 scumhunting method can be categorized as "hands-off". For this reason, I VOTE THEE!

On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat?

Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage.

On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote:


Vivax (3): IAmRobik, marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, artanis[xP], VisceraEyes, DoctorHelvetica, Sicklucker, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): artanis[xP], sicklucker, Damdred, Artanis[XP], sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie
IAmRobik (1): geript, Superbia
sicklucker (0): ritoky, superbia
TheChyz (0): Palmar
geript (6): Vivax, Artanis[xP], DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, justanothertownie, Artanis[XP]

Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in

On January 05 2015 09:25 Vivax wrote:
If we shenannie we shenannie onto Robik, like Palmar wants, and cause of this:



Currently rereading geript as I tend to second guess myself as deadline approaches, but the part where he doesn't put Chyz into his PoE no-lynch-pool just looks too bad for my taste. He doesn't argue by scumreading people for reasons, he argues by townreading some with reasons and scumreadin the rest.

But he found a reason to townread TheChyz previously and somehow decided to simply not talk about him again and try to put him into the townpile with his former reasoning. Instead he just throws away his opinion of him being town which he had during D1 with no mention why.

On January 14 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Reasons why Vivax is scum, you can see it EOD






I think this is a critical post



A summary

He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads?

Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM.

and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town.

Lynch this dude

On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:
So just to Math this out.

In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.

If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.

If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.

On January 14 2015 10:10 KelsierSC wrote:
So just did this to help me out in my brain.

Essentially if you have a red that person scum read you before they died. , if you have a green that person town read you before they died. If you feel that I didn't put a read on then that is ok.
I haven't included replacements because I just don't count their reads
Artanis being universally town read means that his reads will give a +/- 1 either way when he gives his list.




To me there is no way that SL is mafia in this game. we have to lynch vivax at some point.

On January 15 2015 09:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I have an easy way to solve this: We start by lynching LM tomorrow and see who blinks.

On January 15 2015 11:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm okay with this too. I chose the lynch last time, I'll sheep you this time.
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC

On January 15 2015 21:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright here is the case against vivax.

D1 - The main push comes from Koshi, a lot of people agree with the read but vivax is never up for discussion really. Here is the case.


Then comes EOD. If you look at the way Viv voted D1 he just leaves his vote on chyz and doesn't do anything. If the vote is between two towns then there is no need for him to put his vote anywhere. Other people who waste their vote..Superbia and Ritoky. Hmm

So then N1 and the main suspect of Vivax is Koshi. Who dies in the night.

When D2 rolls around the main suspect of his is JAT, who he proceeds to push on despite basically everyone telling him the push isn't very good. This fits the pattern of when under heat Viv just pushes on random townies.

Now in the day I remember being uncomfortable with the way people just voted vivax/pushed vivax and then didn't do anything but if I look at that list of people













This array of people who all vote/push on Vivax , they are basically all town. In which case the pressure on him d2 isn't from a scum perspective and it is likely that a whole bunch of town actually found the mafia yet the pressure got away from him

Incidentally someone who doesn't want to vote him..



Anyway so he pressures JAT with a poor argument then EOD2 happens.
If we look at the votes.



We see in these votes that we have 3 real options. Geript,Vivax and super. Now end of day there is not quite enough to top to Super or Vivax and once again town gets lynched. We see again that Vivax doesn't want the lynch to be him or super with this.



Ok n3. Vivax goes back to his usual strategy of attacking towns when under pressure and goes after Robik, you know the cop. This time we hit on superbia. The votes are interesting we have 2 mafia wagons and where does Vivax park his vote



Again a total and complete waste.


Alright so then we have an auto day where we end up lynching Ritoky and finally we come to the day we lynch palmar.

Let's look at this post from me


We see that he apparently is "giving up his vote" but it comes with a condition, surprise m surprise the condition means that viv doesn't have to vote on LM.
This is my main point about him. Then we get to the night and all of a sudden he has his amazing theory of me/LM/Marv. I already explain why bussing is terrible.



And his main reason for pushing me is because I townread Superbia d3, despite giving all my legitimate reasons for doing so. No push on GB his old scum read.

Then when we both want to lynch LM, he suddenly decides he would lynch me over LM despite this being a terrible play. We can clearly see Vivax going for the mafia win today.


As a final point I want to point to this.



For vivax to be town and me to be mafia, the 4 confirmed town all have to be wrong on vivax and of those JAT and Robik have to be wrong on me aswell.


Sorry if this is long and wordy but this should be enough to convince you vivax is mafia alongside LM