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On January 02 2015 11:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Is the whole vivax thing because he looks bad for kinda defending geript? Or is koshi gonna systematically tunnel every1 who voted chyz today No, it is because the reasoning Vivax gave was horrendous.
Maybe in your opnion it's horrendous but hif it's horrendous it doesn't make me mafia and you're free to talk up to me, I've made it clear enough that I prefer the reasoning on the Chez than the reasoning on geript and I don't feel like lying about it.
Mostly I just see Koshi repeating to lynch me even though I still don't know why except that I was afk during a festivity. Koshi evidently doesn't have friends to party with at NYE bwhahaha
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Geript posting pics means scumpoints.
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Esoecially when you try to garner compassion.
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Artanis where do I get all the cool gifs
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I know where to get the cool beers tho.
Not that heineken trash
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On January 02 2015 20:56 marvellosity wrote:
just saw the flip and read this page. a bats lynch was kinda understandable. not read how it happened yet though.
Not really understandable from my point of view as he said some things I don't see him making up as scum plus I found the bits I agreed with good, I remember specifically liking him for his suspicion of LM. Bats also found Chyz and Robik scummy, now that I'm looking at his earlier filter.
Funny enough none of them ended up voting for him.
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That's not really relevant at this point. He's dead. But mostly I felt like trusting him after seeing his post on LM which I agreed with and still do, and as far as I remember LM kinda dodged the post focusing on his defense of Damdred, then when I questioned him about it he tried to turn the suspicion around, I replied and he went to sleep.
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specifically it's hard to believe that Vivax couldn't understand what Chyz did from a town perspective.
No it's not so far from deadline and without having exhausted all possibilities and it surprised me. If this is going to remain your only argument say it cause then I can deliberately further ignore any pushes on me since I'd be talking to deaf ears.
Your argument for LM being scum is another than what me and snax used?
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Koshi can you try to play nicer for a bit and talk like a normal person. This isn't Dota 2. I have yet to see a way to engage you somewhat productively in all that yelling.
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On January 02 2015 21:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 21:54 Vivax wrote:specifically it's hard to believe that Vivax couldn't understand what Chyz did from a town perspective.
No it's not so far from deadline and without having exhausted all possibilities and it surprised me. If this is going to remain your only argument say it cause then I can deliberately further ignore any pushes on me since I'd be talking to deaf ears. Your argument for LM being scum is another than what me and snax used? there's a significant difference between "surprising you" and "this makes me think we should lynch him" it surprised me too.
And?
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On January 02 2015 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, I am not yelling. What you want to talk about?
I figured you'd be the one to ask me stuff since I'm your scumread, but if you're so sure about it that you don't need to do that then just carry on.
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On January 02 2015 22:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 22:32 Vivax wrote:On January 02 2015 22:27 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, I am not yelling. What you want to talk about? I figured you'd be the one to ask me stuff since I'm your scumread, but if you're so sure about it that you don't need to do that then just carry on. Oh ok. So you totally agree with the 5 posts I made about you. Quick recap. But please remember Vivax. These are not capslock. I am not yelling. I also don't see creeps to denie so I am pretty sure I am aware I am not typing in the Dota 2 client. Explain to me your timeline:From where I am standing it looks like when you posted on page 59 you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks. From where I am standing it looks when you discussed reads on page 62 you read everything concerning Chyz/Dr.H. From where I am standing you commented on page 69 about a post made on page 68. This goes on straight to page 72. But on page 72 you say you are "bad at the game and not up to date" to deflect suspicion. So you were actively following from page 57 - 72. And you read everything concerning Lazermonkey/batsnacks/Chyz/Dr.H before page 57. You read posts from Palmar about geript being scum if marv is town. You read all posts from geript. But then after all this you say: Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote:
Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. What the heck did you think you still needed to read to make an educated guess on geript.
I didn't read everything, just the posts that caught my eye and I consequently commented on, so I don't really have a red line you can follow when you see what I talk about, it's quite scattered. Now you can make your own assumptions regarding whether I would tend to be more scattered in my reading process as scum or as town (and you seem to think it's the former), but for this I can only say that
a) I don't always play up to my super tryhard standard, especially when I come back hungover from NYE and the thread volume exploded, but I tried by focusing on the parts I found interesting. A bit from this, a bit from that, I can't process a whole game at once in one moment.
b) I suggest I'll just do my thing and it's nice to know you don't close the shutters to the option that I'm town. It's really easy to get the gut-feeling that somebody is scum just cause he doesn't play to the standard you're used to and I can understand that.
I think I was drunk when I posted the bad at the game stuff, depends on you how much weight you give to it when I say I'm bad at the game cause maybe geript IS scum and I'm just too bad to see it, which was the thought at the time. Like, I kept going back to the arguments and I didn't get the aha-feeling that seemed so prevalent in thread sentiment. Artanis tried to show me first in a not-so-concrete way, then both Artanis and DrH kept telling me their reasons, but I remained with a meh.
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On December 31 2014 15:11 geript wrote:
You are not making my dick hard Dr. H. What do you think of sicklucker?
On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet.
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote:
So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?
It might already have been mentioned but I don't really get this progression in geript's conversation I just read. Why does he go from asking about SL to asking about Robik without going for Robik himself previously when he's formulating it like DrH is supposed to scumread him?
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Reading that initial clinch between DrH, ritoky, SL, Eden and geript to a lesser extent is a pain in the ass. Eden's wording is even more tedious than reading austinmcc's posts.
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On December 31 2014 16:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 16:12 geript wrote:On December 31 2014 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He just did post his own conclusions on geript lol. Why are you so on peoples nuts this early, you're treating everythinf like you're 5 minutes away from posting some earth shattering case That's because Eden keeps on coming across as more and more scummy the more he posts. Plus it's kinda what I do. @Eden - I'm not much good at anything besides reading in between the lines and bullying (apprentice of Ace style), but when I start to see the things I understand and that jump out of me I really stick to it. I do think you're town and that since you seem to be pretty diligent and detailed I feel good about what you might be able to add or pick out of my cases later. I'm actually pissed I didn't roll scum in this game. I started playing mafia as scum in like 8 straight games and then really got it again. I do look at meta if I'm really suspicious of someone or can't figure out their behavior. It's too much of a pain in the ass to do if I'm not gonna really make use of it Lemme revisit this later, the appeals to me in here are setting off alarms but I can't tell if I'm being unfair/suffering from confirmation bias or if there's something there. I'll rattle off a brief idea of the problems and see if I still agree with it on a later read / if anyone else has anything to say about it. It makes me feel like I'm being buddied but again, I'm not sure I'm being fair. - The appeal both to my perceived innocence and alleged attention to detail and diligence bother me in a site meta-environment where, broadly speaking, aggressive asshole = town and not-aggressive-asshole = mafia. I actually feel really bad calling this out because I really would like to believe Doc is town and just not running with that meta-environment (which I would love, because I think it's not a fun meta-environment), but based on my past experiences here, these kinds of appeals are more likely to come from mafia than town than chance suggests. - Addendum to the above, my rough recollection of Ace is that he practically wrote the heuristic I mentioned above with his harsh but effective town plan, so it's (again?) incongruous to me that Doc plays a "read between the lines, bullying" game and then is nice and relatively uncritical of me in this post. - The appeals shifted toward something about being mad about not rolling scum that I swear I've only ever heard mafia say. Maybe my past experience is broken but it just feels off.
Like this post is fucking bonkers.
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He talks to himself in that super convoluted way, and "between the lines" he's scumreading DrH or at least voicing his suspicion, but really, with no outcome at all. In other posts that are close by time he's all over the place.
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Why are you talking about this stuff. Talk reads and stop playing the town coach it's really incredibly useless.
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On January 03 2015 01:50 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Why are you talking about this stuff. Talk reads and stop playing the town coach it's really incredibly useless. You are incredibly useless. I probably should have sheeped Koshi.
Objectively you're just yelling for people to do stuff when what you're doing isn't achieving anything in itself.
No analysis, just bullshitting.
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I'm posting this hot stuff on Eden and then I have this screaming peasant in my living room.
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