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sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

January 06 2015 15:56 GMT

#5181

On January 07 2015 00:54 IAmRobik wrote:

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how do we know he's town?

Because he gave us his reads? He felt guilty so he gave us something before he quit

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 06 2015 15:58 GMT

#5182

Oh. Maybe

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 06 2015 15:58 GMT

#5183

I don't know why anyone quits as town. I understand not wanting to play as scum. But town? That's the most fun role ever. YOU GET TO SOLVE THE GAME.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

January 06 2015 16:01 GMT

#5184

On January 07 2015 00:50 IAmRobik wrote:
2; GlowingBear - lean scum
4; Artanis[XP] - lean town
5; Lazermonkey - lean heavy town
6; Marvellosity - step it up sson
9; TheChyz - unsure
10; Palmar - unsure
11; Damdred - unsure
13; sicklucker - lean town but unsure
14; Vivax - lean heavy scum
15; KelsierSC - lean town
16; ritoky - lean town
17; DoctorHelvetica - had the towniest town of any town d1 and is basically confirmed town even with the d2 drop off
20; Superbia - lean scum

it's perfectly possible you explained this read somewhere before

but pls do so again because i don't get it.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

January 06 2015 16:03 GMT

#5185

On January 07 2015 00:58 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't know why anyone quits as town. I understand not wanting to play as scum. But town? That's the most fun role ever. YOU GET TO SOLVE THE GAME.

i think sl is right, but i don't share the absolute conviction he does. chez replacing in isn't really a massive boon to trying to read that slot any more though :/

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 06 2015 16:04 GMT

#5186

He voted on vivax both days. IDK. Maybe I'm wrong and he just late-votes on his partner when there's no pressure on him, but there's no point of ritoky bussing vivax when vivax is an infinitely better player than him. There's no way ritoky is planning on winning the game as scum. Plus, if superbia is scum, I don't think he's with vivax

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

January 06 2015 16:05 GMT

#5187

Ya your never gonna read chez. Chez replacing in is already unfair for town so maybe it is fair for mafia lol.
Either way its enough to risk the game on that slot being town.

Like I actually town read chez individualy also from the little hes posted

Vivax

21774 Posts

January 06 2015 16:05 GMT

#5188

On January 07 2015 00:51 IAmRobik wrote:

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So pretend you actually believed my explanation for being away towards EOD2 and why I didn't vote on superbia and kept my vote on you even though people switched off...how about then

Doesnt't look like you were away, and looks like you read the thread, and looks like people were looking for an option other than geript.

On January 05 2015 13:16 justanothertownie wrote:

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It is really important that you confirm that damdred was 100 % greenchecked by you I will also show you why:

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I took the liberty to colour myself and my townreads Artanis/Dr.H green here. If SL is the cop and telling the truth then this wagon is the purest I have seen in a long time. Only Robik looks suspicious.
Now why is there not more mafia if geript is mafia?

On January 05 2015 13:18 IAmRobik wrote:
WTF JAT?

On January 05 2015 13:19 IAmRobik wrote:
This game is dumb. All of you are dumb for not lynching vivax. You should be ashamed....unless the person you lynch is mafia...then good shit!

On January 05 2015 13:20 IAmRobik wrote:
I basically have the same town reads and have discussed it like 30000 times ugh. you're annoying me

On January 05 2015 13:24 IAmRobik wrote:

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I just saw you color a bunch of people green and leave me not green. THat's all I saw and got annoyed even though that's was part of my analysis of the d1 votes before and after i voted

On January 05 2015 13:31 Superbia wrote:
Shenannies onto Robik yes pls.

On January 05 2015 13:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I would love to shenannie on ritoky to be honest. Just look at how he voted a nonwagon and peaced.

On January 05 2015 13:31 Superbia wrote:
A Ritoky is fine too.

On January 05 2015 13:35 Vivax wrote:
Fuck forgot to edit the numbers. Anyway, I have 2 votes, geript = 7, superbia=3, Robik=1

On January 05 2015 13:37 IAmRobik wrote:
oh man, this vote is so close!

And then he posts at 6 O'clock and says how we're all shitters.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

January 06 2015 16:07 GMT

#5189

On January 07 2015 01:04 IAmRobik wrote:
He voted on vivax both days. IDK. Maybe I'm wrong and he just late-votes on his partner when there's no pressure on him, but there's no point of ritoky bussing vivax when vivax is an infinitely better player than him. There's no way ritoky is planning on winning the game as scum. Plus, if superbia is scum, I don't think he's with vivax

this logic is terrible, because ritoky has this much thread-pull:

so unless Vivax is in massive danger of getting lynched (which, in the end, he wasn't) then it's an extremely easy vote to make.

the wifom is strong

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

January 06 2015 16:09 GMT

#5190

Ya I dont think robik calls us shitters there if hes mafia. He might tho

Vivax

21774 Posts

January 06 2015 16:11 GMT

#5191

On January 07 2015 01:09 sicklucker wrote:
Ya I dont think robik calls us shitters there if hes mafia. He might tho

Now I see what a tone read is, and why I never use them

sicklucker

Canada16987 Posts

January 06 2015 16:11 GMT

#5192

I agree its weird for robik to hang onto that shit read as strong as he is.

Vivax

21774 Posts

January 06 2015 16:13 GMT

#5193

Oh wait I caught iamp in smurf mini with a tone read.Nevermind, it's been a while

marvellosity

United Kingdom36156 Posts

January 06 2015 16:17 GMT

#5194

On January 07 2015 01:13 Vivax wrote:
Oh wait I caught iamp in smurf mini with a tone read.Nevermind, it's been a while

pretty sure you caught him because he applied reasoning to one person and totally neglected to apply it to another

IAmRobik

United States5878 Posts

January 06 2015 16:24 GMT

#5195

whatever vivax. good luck

##vote: vivax

Vivax

21774 Posts

January 06 2015 16:24 GMT

#5196

No I remember that what caught was my attention was simply that his entrance to the thread had an antire different tone than the rest of the people so far, afterwards I only had to pick his posts apart. He asked some weuird question when everyone was talking on an entirely different level.

And guess what? I went back to start of D1 of this game and I think I would tone-scumread ritoky for the part where he says "what's your policy on lynching people who claim scum" and "why didn't you follow up with it" when Damdred joke-claimed scum and DrH was keen on his policies.

Vivax

21774 Posts

January 06 2015 16:28 GMT

#5197

On January 07 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:

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pretty sure you caught him because he applied reasoning to one person and totally neglected to apply it to another

You could say the tone was what caught my attention as he was pretty passive-aggressive atgame start, and what you say now is the shit I found in his filter.

I think it fits onto ritoky.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12968 Posts

January 06 2015 16:39 GMT

#5198

Justanothertownie - A Eulogy

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Can I see another's woe,
And not be in sorrow too?
Can I see another's grief,
And not seek for kind relief?

Justanothertownie was a man. A great man. During his short time here in Liquidia he made a sizable contribution to the town. His passing will create a gap that no man can fill. Justanothertownie was, unlike his name implies, not just another townie. He was the greatest townie that this town has ever seen, with miraculous insights that only the greatest of players could have.

He was also fearless in his reads. When faced by adversaries, he refused to give in and spread his knowledge amongst all those who wished to listen. Unfortunately, the brightest flames burn out the quickest. JAT's flame has been extinguished, but the memoires of his fire will continue to burn inside all of us.

To remind us of his great contributions, I have selected a few of his best posts to be remembered for all eternity.
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On December 31 2014 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:

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On January 02 2015 02:24 justanothertownie wrote:

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On January 02 2015 02:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 02 2015 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 06:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, of course I think it's intentional. I will rehash my three main cases in spoilers here. If people are finally listening just read carefully. I'm a terrible writer these days so I can clear up any reasoning that seems fuzzy or unclear to anybody.

First: this is about Chyz's read of eden being artificial. It's the least convincing case but I think in the greater context it still looks really bad. This is kind of all over the place so I'd be glad to restate the points more clearly if I need to.
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On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz is mafia

The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.

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This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

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Let's sum up the Eden read:
1. Eden is my largest scum read.
2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly.
4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.

Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?

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This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is
1. Defensive
2. Not jumping on anyone
3. Too cautious

This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.

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1. Everyone is suspicious
2. I am suspicious
3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!

I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.

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With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.

1. Eden is my largest scumread.
2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up)
4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful.
5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right.
6. I have no reason to vote for Eden.
7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote.
8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.

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Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it

Second: I think the most damning.

On January 01 2015 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz

On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote:
does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.

Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?

Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:

On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey

This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.

On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone

Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz

Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.

On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:

On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote:
So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?

I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.

I was scum that game.

Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.

" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."

First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?

On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote:
I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.

By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.

Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.

On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:

On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?

Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.

geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.

I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.

He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:

On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.

A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?

On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval

On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.

8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.

You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.

Third: behaving inconsistent with his town meta
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On January 01 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You could also look at how much more confidently TheChyz plays in cultured mini mafia where he was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?user=TheChyz

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On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:
kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with

On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:

On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)

A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.

All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points:
1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything.
2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant.
3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him.
4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.

In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.

Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.

##Vote geript

His first vote in this game is thought out and much more thoroughly explained. He makes no attempt at all to gain approval from the thread or ask anyones opinion.

Wonder how good the odds are that still no one will evem read all this

I believe in the philosophy that if you can't explain a scumread in a few sentences it's not a good scumread. I think Syllogism once said something in that sense. Palmar did that quite well. I'm waiting for your tl;dr edition on your TheChyz read.

This is so true.

On January 02 2015 06:20 justanothertownie wrote:

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I agree.

On January 03 2015 03:46 justanothertownie wrote:

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amen

On January 03 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote:

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Exactly. It was crunchtime. Geript made an extremely weird vote. I didn't know what to make of it.

On January 03 2015 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:

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This is a good post.

On January 04 2015 03:34 justanothertownie wrote:

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This.

On January 05 2015 05:46 justanothertownie wrote:

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Good point.

On January 05 2015 23:55 justanothertownie wrote:

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yup

On January 06 2015 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:

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On January 06 2015 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:

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It takes a remarkable amount of brain power to succintly notice and point out just how often I make good posts, but JAT had that talent. He also had a remarkable talent in leadership. Whenever town wasn't sure who to lynch, he made sure his lynch target got lynched in at least 50% of situations. Granted, the results weren't always satisfactory, but he made it happen and there are few people in this town who can say the same. To honour his memory, I would like to increase that percentage to 100%.

A wise video game character once said "Justice demands retribution". Superbia has evaded that justice for too long. He has descecrated JAT's grave by not dying when JAT told him to die, and instead killed him in cold blood. This is a crime deserving of but one punishment; execution.
##Vote Superbia