EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote: So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager. this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all Na fecal does not try like at all. That day one was an anomoly | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:34 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy you town? Can I call you town? Can you give me prezents? I'd love prezents. I love presents. | ||
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My nice list! - Kelsier, dandred , gb | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:30 Fecalfeast wrote: I was just about to say, he's usually a lot more annoying as town. Just you wait. My last post was a double post it was a mistake. What I want to know is how do you know about the presents ;p | ||
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Ok so we all know theres 3 presents in the game. But what I know is that its the Joyful Child role that has these presents. No one else can be sure of this as its not said in the description. But Damdred and gb sent out little tells that told me they were this role.I might have been wrong so ill reread it later but I think their the other giftgivers and therefore town. Also Ive been up 20 hours and dont rly feel like playing much right now but the insomnia might have kicked in. | ||
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On December 09 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote: I am 98% sure that any role can get presents, as far as we know. Think about it the Joyful Child role has no description but it is a role its basically vanilla town 2.0. I have a present and im a joyful child it adds up. Its pretty obvious. Im pretty sure something dandred said makes me ride or die with him maybe gb too. Let me look it up. | ||
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On December 09 2014 09:38 Damdred wrote: I am town GB, but i am unable to give you a present currently if you are good i can share one of my many toys later on as when i was a child i was taught to share if i get one that is. You should really read the thread and are you blue gb seirously/ | ||
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Why would you name it if not to give it a special ability? | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: Please nobody else out their roles. The other vt is to stop mafia being op because they can have some vt killing gun like last palmar game I agree but my fishing was going to get me lynched =[. Now that the cats out of the bag is it better to give the present to someone im town reading or scum reading ! | ||
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Cant I simply have not read one line in a very long op? | ||
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On December 09 2014 12:21 The_Templar wrote: And yet you missed every single post where I claimed joyful child... TOO LONG DIDNT READ. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:26 LightningStrike wrote: Since people were asking for my explanation why certain people are town in my eyes here they are atm HF: He seemed to start a discussion and tried to move people in a town direction to get scum. Templar: He may have a silly story telling but inside it he seemed to be town but it just my inexperience playing with him that might fool me. OWS: I played with him once in Campus Mafia only and he had to replace someone and he seemed to post similar to how he replaced the person in that game. Slam: Slam posting is completely different when he played scum in Titanic Mafia so I confident he is town this game. Damdred: Damdred is also trying to lead the discussions with HF which normally a Scum wouldn't do so I got him on my list for that. rsoultin: Newer player to this site and only played with him once but he was town and he seemed to act the same way he did when he was town. FF: He doing similar shenanigans as he did in Campus Mafia when he was town when I played with him so I trust he is town atm. Now for my null reads 27ninja: Something seems fishy with him but I can't explain it but at the same time I cant put in town unless I get mwore posts from him. HTS: Doesn't seem like himself when he was townie in a game and I can't really put him on the scum atm because he might be more conservative for this game than in his last game. Ritoky: I never played with him before so I trying to still figure him out but he seemed to question more on people voting than leading anything. Now for my scumlist sicklucker: Normally sicklucker likes to do weird shenanigans to force everyones town read that are normally awkward and this game he doesn't seem to be doing that. I DID EXACTLY THIS. I dont think hes reading the thread boys. Let me catch up. I was about to say peoples early case on me was pretty good because of my meta and how I was playing but hes still voting for me so... | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: I did also play with Slam 1 game when he was scum too that why I basing my reads on him being town from that game and on Titanic and the shenanigans sicklucker normally does isn't the type he doing atm. Slam was literally. afk that whole game for real life issues. (both slam mafia games happened at the same time and he was double mod killed. But he was their for the start of the other one | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:51 LightningStrike wrote: The shenanigans this game might just be him doing something different from the shenanigans he did in the last 2 games I played with him (Campus and Student) so it could be off because of that. In game one we didnt even play together I was replaced day two and you were already dead. Also in that game I missed day one and your talking about day 1 meta. | ||
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On December 09 2014 22:58 kushm4sta wrote: HTS why would scum fake claim my role? Would you be able to verify my role? You should be trying to answer those questions before scumreading me. Your probably not but if anyones doing a suicidal claim its you. You hate playing mafia more then anyone here. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, I had a present and I sent it to a player around 12 hours ago, I believe. Please don't reveal yourself but know that you've received it by a townie who isn't named VT. Bye. Do you guys think the mafia gets the kill present to start off with and the towns get the other two? Because thats how I think it is im skeptical of this ITS A TARP I think im going to bury hts after I work out if the evidence is there. I soul read her as town before in her first post and im not feeling it this time. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:35 liancourt wrote: [/B]9 sicklucker wrote: Veg Kill lian he wouldnt use the same meta two games inarow. But that meta favors his mafia play This doesnt even make sense How does using the douchebag being a dick meta favor mafia play?[/QUOTE] I think and have been kind of told your changing your meta everygame to try to be cute. Game 1 you were mafia you were very helpful and seemed town (hearstone mafia i think?) Game 2 you were town and tried to make yourself obvious mafia by being a useless jerk. It worked you got town read (titanic) Game 3 I see you doing the same thing as game 2 with an excuse to do it because you did it last game very convenient. Anyway Its not a strong case but I like it I would shoot you in the throat. | ||
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On December 10 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: As a present owner. You should know that you don't know what present you hold. So why did you think that Gb his present is bad? actually Ya your right Presents are completely random so I retract that. | ||
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On December 10 2014 01:08 Tubesock wrote: I was trying to get Sicklucker to read the gift mechanic better and realize that the presents are random and he's focusing on the wrong thing. Apparently, so am I. Ugh. Ya your the reason Im confused tbh | ||
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On December 10 2014 01:10 liancourt wrote: No one knows wats in them. how would that person know the present was from u why are u speculatjng things that are irrevelant to gameplay? Presents dont mean a thing and its not alignment indicative. why are u trying to make it so that gifting apresent means ur town because it doesnt Found another scum The person who I sent it to totally knows its from me. same with the person gb sent it to because we sent them at different times. | ||
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On December 12 2014 01:36 kushm4sta wrote: dude why would you shoot me. jacob marely is going to visit me or whatever then im going to die. This dont shoot kush its a waste of a bullet. And I believe him sadly | ||
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I would shoot out of the three guys who suggested this horrible plan. I believe ff was one of them hint hint. | ||
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On December 12 2014 04:13 kitaman27 wrote: If anyone is interested in my preferred vig shot right now, I'd still go with FF. Wouldn't be upset to see kush go either I suppose, though I can't really speak much to his alignment. Just finished re-reading the thread. I gotta go work for a couple hours and then I'll post after reading individual filters. NO stop suggesting this people we dont know how competent are veg is hes a second bullet target not a first. Theres like 100% chance hes visted by that dude and will die if hes really scrooge making it useless. | ||
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On December 12 2014 04:25 Vivax wrote: I'm completely chilled knowing I'll be one of the NKs in lack of other people being townread so broadly. Totes not being cocky. However Arnie should simply shoot people you just skip by while reading cause they write gibberish or are too annoying to read, since they will never get lynched unless by policy and policy lynches don't work. I really doubt it. Besides their gonna be role hunting. People have already slipped their roles and if their not dead im hunting them | ||
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On December 12 2014 04:50 GlowingBear wrote: Stop making me wanting to rescind my town read on you Id like to say because im smart but this is obvious stuff. Gb do you think we should shoot kush too? I fine this interesting because I would probably shoot you tonight If I was veg | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:19 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh kush really was scrooge aftrall. Well I guess since scrooge is dead my role is useless T_T Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote: It was obviously the vigi who shot kush btw. Just saying. I really hope not... Like I pleaded for this not to happen because kush is obviously this bad at the game | ||
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Mafia killed Koshi kitman lonemoew. With their 2 kp + mass murderer bullet role hunting. Kush was killed by marley Damdred opened my present RIP. Are veg didnt shoot or was a moron and shot kush. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:25 LightningStrike wrote: I am Ghost of Christmas Present as my role T_T Unless there is a second Scrooge my role is useless as crap except for voting. Also judging from the kills it seems like they got the Branch Manager and Mass Murderer in their scum roles. Ok I believe you but town should counter claim this since you were super defensive you were a role when votes started going your way and this role is not important. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:30 GlowingBear wrote: I'm wondering if mass claiming day2 is a good idea. Its def not but he already said he was a "useless not role" So a ghost and since he looked horrible yesterday we may as well confirm him. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:34 liancourt wrote: well since scrooge is dead the 3 ghosts claiming isn't a bad idea they're practically just named VT now Na the only thing we have going for us right now is santa. Lets not make it more easy for mafia to find him. | ||
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Its possible someone could have killed with the present last night but I dont think that is the case since I know I sent one to dandred. But I dont think that is the case. I think one present is in mafias hands. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.- Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/ 2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill I thought the pros outweigh the cons and we should give all presents to vanilla towns like I did. Apparently no one else agreed as scummy people like ritoky ended up with them and the most obvious vt who wants to take a bullet for the team didnt get one. | ||
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On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: Who was masoned with kita? Time to claim. Like I thought that was ritokys role because only another mason would give this man a present.. Why should they claim tho... Like do you want mafia to kill poor santa? | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:07 Holyflare wrote: If he used the present he can't use the power till the next night... Then why claim? This is why im pressuring. Im not looking for the third present whos smart enough to keep that a secret which is what ritoky should have done. Im asking why the suspicious guy claimed for no reason. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:16 GlowingBear wrote: I'm impressed you're not questioning Ritoky for claiming being GIVAN PREZANT, HF. What do you think of it? This like I feel only someone who knows his alignment would give him one.... He was a top scum | ||
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Do we even know theirs mafia? because I sure the hell dont would love to kbow too. | ||
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On December 12 2014 10:59 Half the Sky wrote: Unless I misunderstood the rules, I didn't think we had our hands on a hard number for sure. Ya I thought so too, and someone said theres 5 and I hate scum slips but it kinda seemed like one which is why im asking... Also im gonna go over my limit pretty fast. | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:03 ritoky wrote: aaaaaannnnd sicklucker and rsoultin still ignoring the post where i already explained it No I said your excuse was really bad and I told you the death present has already been used so its even worse. | ||
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##vote Tubesock Scumslip? | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote: Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully. I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though... 5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote I dont like what kelsier did at all. Lets be honest he tricked gullible little kush into committing suicide. I can still see it from a town perspective tho. Im sure LS still remembers something that he pulled in his last game... | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:38 ritoky wrote: ? i have pushed on LS until he was basically obvious town, was the main proponent of the FF lynch which i believe you like for at least a portion of the reasons i brought to the table, and i pushed on kels lightly although he is my weakest scum read atm before you. so idk what you're talking about it being the only thing i am doing. if i am not lynching you, i still don't see a reason not to lynch ff, i wouldn't mind a lynch on kels, and i think SL may have scum slipped by claiming that he KNEW FOR CERTAIN that damdred died via present and not being shot. i also don't know what to make of him and gb coming out and trying to dominate the phase and drive it toward me early on, but that's probably gut OMGUS reaction. also posting this for myself and others for later: Like your not this bad? I said im 90% sure because I sent him the present and their was no other reason for him to die (he claimed vt mafia would be role hunting) Damdred either died from a present or was veg shot which seems unlikely. My logic checks. Now one thing I want to bring up is a real actual damming scum slip just happened and you both ignored it while you had your annoying fight I dont care about. It reminds me of the fight between hopeless and holyflare where I was mafia and licking my chops.Thoughts? on the real scum slip? | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:59 rsoultin wrote: Lol, you were fine with killing Kush (via vig) but not Ritoky when they've basically done the same thing? Typical nonsensical SL. no I was number 1 against it. Way to show your observation skills. And screw you | ||
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On December 12 2014 11:59 ritoky wrote: wtf are you saying SL? like....if you think i am mafia you should totally have hf's perspective. so either you think i am null/town or you're making literal 0 sense. Dude your the equivalent of a un cced veg to me. We dont kill un cced veggies. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote: I don't get how you go from voting ritoky because you think he's mafia and opening presents was dumb to saying he's like an unclaimed vig?? That was a 5 minute after eon reactionary vote because he did the same donkey move kush did. I came to my senses you dont vote this man out were not in lylo. He could be a great asset or mafia will kill him for us both are better then wasting a lynch on him now. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote: No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES. I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all. That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better? | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote: because thats how the game works? You kill the person you think is the scummiest. What happens if he says roleblocked or some shit. Same shit different day. pushing this issue back isnt gonna help anyone. Can you seriously tell me that you think there is better than a 50% chance to lynch anyone else in the game? I dont actually think ritoky is scum but you know, answer the questions. m saying its great if ritoky is mafia. Hes never getting out of this hole if hes mafia. Its like a 1 for 1 trade. I think it will become abundantly clear if hes mafia and if hes not the pros he can bring us outweigh the con. Keeping him alive directly lowers mafias kp, or raises ares. "Opening a gift cannot be roleblocked. However if the gift has an action that can be acted upon the next night (2 out of 3 do) then roleblocking that night will cancel the action, and it is lost forever." Well I did some research that sucks why did you claim mannnn. If they have a blocker at least we waste it, but this kind of owns any chance of ritoky being useful to town. Kill him if you think hes mafia IDK anymore. But in the chance they dont have a blocker were wasting a really good tool. Wasted so many of my posts on this garbage. I dont think there is alot of mafia motivation to make this claim so early in the day with little pressure on him .I think hes just a town who could have lost us the game ala kush. Tubes is totally mafia over 50% hes just going ham and did the first mafia slip i have ever believed. | ||
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On December 12 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote: i mean i know you're just gonna say wifom to this, but there's 0 way i yolo open a present with a 1/3 chance of killing myself as mafia when i have crap tons of kp. No I can agree to this. I think mafia just hangs on to the presents till later and certainly dont tell people they have them and are expected to use. Im leaning more town on you now but youve made a horrible mistake as either alignment so its hard | ||
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Sure a Rber isint guaranteed but its more then likely. >50%. Besides the cop these presents are towns biggest tool so diverting attention away is pretty stupid too. A good town would stay under the radar untill tormorow. Like a town would admit they made a mistake. I tried to town read you but I just cant | ||
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I asked some players how many mafia they though there were and they gave me the answer I had myself. NO CLUE | ||
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Also who would have gave him a present anyway. Did gb claim to? I find it odd no third player claimed to have a present to give its so townie to say this only me and gb did. That means to me its probably in mafia hands so claiming he has it makes some sense. Expect another present claim when were about to lynch a mafia because I think they have one in there possession. regardless if its ritokys or not. | ||
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Then that makes hf look pretty bad | ||
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It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim? [/QUOTE] Oh ok this is your post not the mods. So pre game you think theirs 6 but now you think theirs 5 its not looking good. | ||
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On December 11 2014 12:32 Tubesock wrote: This will likely be my 1 night post. Rit I think you are wrong on HF. There wasn't much new to discuss about NB and lots of people were talking about it and to her. I was one of them. I pointed out the "iffy" and "needs to be looked into" discrepancy but I'm certain others saw it. But she didn't seem to have 1 town post all day. If you think his behavior is scummy then push every NB voter. Tube defending hf probable mafia partners. | ||
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[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE] Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote: People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote: Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE] Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE] [quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE] He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy. | ||
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In the odd chance your town tube you really need to reevaluate on me. You also have this weird obsession of me and gb being together. Hes just correctly reading me as town he would do this as either alignment but for sure as town. He has been my coach and won a game for town by pushing a lylo lynch on me. I would say he reads me the best of everyone in the game. | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesock why do you read me town when everyone else thinks I'm scum? Seems like TMI I'm not hardly playing. To get cred when you die to a veg? I agree its very weak and you said town things! | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:36 rsoultin wrote: Lol, mafia never kills VTs? Not even to take a present that you broadcasted to the entire thread out of play? You're not thinking of all the possibilities, SL, and you have a nasty habit of scumreading anyone who disagrees with you. Tell me where the hole in my logic is. What? Mafia had no idea I sent it to dandred. He even made a NO ONE SENT ME A PRESENT post. I just said I sent it to someone I town read. I never town read anyone this game lol. Like vote tube im probably out of posts but i have made a decent case go through my filter . His reads are bad and he made a horrible perfect information slip. Pre game he says there is likely 6 mafia in this setup. After he gets his role he says there is 5 mafia multiple times. Get rekt | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:39 rsoultin wrote: People think he scum-slipped by saying there were 5 mafia up for lynch @ liancourt He's a brand new player so in general I'm giving him more leeway than others...but I can see their point. New players dont guess theres 6 mafia pregame they ask people what they think. And they certainly dont change their mind that theres 5 mafia after. New players slip the most anyways. | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:56 Vivax wrote: Trfel is a decent lynch as well. I coached the guy when he was town in student mafia and he made high quality posts on day 1, leading him to be townread by the majority and subsequently nightkilled by the mafia on N1. In this game he has 1 page of filter and is constantly under the radar, doesn't try to have an impact on the game, and makes his entrance just pre-deadline for no particular given reason/excuse. seconded I was the one who town read him off one post that meta read on bats lol like who does that. Also this read tells me your town. | ||
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On December 13 2014 12:32 batsnacks wrote: Vivax vote Trfel with me? Or maybe rsoultin. He has a stick up his ass this game. He was a lot calmer last game. I've never seen anyone engage me as calmly as he did in Student Mafia and I was out in full force. Na hes the same hes always been vulgar, rude n mean in all his posts you just didnt notice that game because you were too ;p | ||
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On December 13 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm kind of tempted to lynch Vivax atm. That last list post was pretty bad. Not really its just the easy lynches tho. Hes so townie | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:57 rsoultin wrote: Coulda sworn you'd said who you were sending the present to. And now I know why. You all but did. I came to the conclusion mid-day yesterday and remembered it as you saying it, lol. Still, if I get that strong an impression off it, anyone could. Then: Then: Then: You thought GB had claimed a role, you already said you'd ride or die with Damdred, and you say in your last post that you're sure they're town and won't be killed. Tell me that's not obvious? Pretty sure the only other you even mention as a townread before you said you sent your gift was HF. Your case is way too good on this makes me suspect you I feel like you were role hunting or copied this out of the scum qt. Your correct mafia could sniff this out except there more likely to wait to do something about it as hes going to die on his own 1/3 times. Its a waste of kp especially with a rber who can get ride of it with 1 visit forever. Also if its the seer present they can kill him the next night before he reveals so its only 1/3 presents that can hurt them the next night. Its just too much of a coincidence but possible altho very unlikely which is why I said 90% not 100%. Also not that important. But you gave it more thought at the time then me which is interesting. | ||
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So gb gives his present to ritoky. I disagree but its most likely from a town perspective let me explain. Ritiky was a mislynch candidate its really bad for a mafia to give a present to a mislynch target because a present is the same as a role and he can clear himself like if ritoky kills mafia in the night. The only way gb is mafia and gives the present to him is if they are both mafia which still does not make any sense because they should just never mention it. Like only a town is going to say they have a present because they can look scummy if it ends up in bad hands or used incorrectly. Like mafia almost always never says they have a present. Theres a reason only 2 of the 3 present givers came out because the third is mafia. Oh and gb sent his present to ritoky like 3 hours after the game started. I dont think a mafia jumps the gun like that. | ||
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On December 13 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote: Sl can you stop saying the 3rd present owner is mafia when you literally have no idea whether A) they opened it at all to cc ritokys claim B) you spent half the day berating ritoky for claiming he had a present but now want the 3rd person to claim for no reason. It's also perfectly reasonable that they thought ritoky was going to get lynched because I was starting to push him so needed to give the present to him so he could wifom the hell out of the day. Also a reasonable explanation that now you think rsoultin has tmi and knew you were sending the present to damd that mafia could easily make the plays above without even opening the presents. You are putting way too much stock into presents this game and far too little actual game analysis. Lie I want the original holder to claim not who has it now and since no ones claiming its proving my point its in mafias hands. It may be annoying but i have gained as much info if not more then anyone in this game. | ||
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On December 13 2014 14:35 rsoultin wrote: Okay, so have you considered the scenario where one mafia might give another mafia a present (because obviously giving town one isn't going to be to their advantage). Said mafia could claim it (especially a NK but also a seer cause they know everyone's alignment already), not open it, and pass it on to another mafia again. Thus delaying a potential lynch of the suspicious mafia member another day. I'm not saying this is what happened, but is it not possible? Yes of course which is why im not saying their for sure town just more likely. Individually they dont seem townie but together they do if that makes sense. Like I have them both null leaning town but together that makes them a pretty strong town. Its really risky and bad to align themselves like this which is more fuel to suspect their town. | ||
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FF if your a role its time to claim between this mob and a potential veg who should totally kill you its time to claim. | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:08 Vivax wrote: Cause he claimed joyful child or w/e it's called and I figured mafia mostly killed him for being a named VT and not for his reads. Tho in my latest post I also considered his reads, given that other JC claims didn't die. What this is so wrong you lost my town read. Mafia wont kill named vts for that reason n1 they role hunt. | ||
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Ls GB Ritoky xata bats leaning town slam hts No clue lurkers so probable mafia FF Oats KC obishinobi Froggy Mafia Tfel tubesock Gets his own catagory Holyflare nothing particular scummy but hes a good player and if hes this much against ritoky and gb who im town reading hes more then likely mafia The_templar no clue look at him later not the lynch today or probably torm either | ||
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On December 13 2014 15:46 batsnacks wrote: WHY DON'T YOU STOP TRYING TO BE AMAZING AND JUST POST SHIT Literally, shit. Post it. That's what everyone else is doing right now. It's SHIT. Maybe your SHIT is better than their SHIT? It can't be worse. Like how is this not town slam? To answer your question. Bats has become one of my strongest reads tonight hes very interactive and made some good points. Also after last game my standards for him being town are lower :D. As for slight reading you, idk your my worst santa should check his list twice. | ||
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On December 14 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see how GB's stuff is super relevant now, we arent lynching sl today regardless. Its pretty relevant we should be close to never lynch any of us three and win the game | ||
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On December 14 2014 03:40 Tubesock wrote: I think you are 100% town. Although, you are playing terribly. Why'd you let Sicklucker mirror and parrot you? you drop a "this game is easy" and he parrots it TWICE????? You don't see you are a scapegoat???? I was the first person to point out that only towns would say they have presents and gb actually parroted me but I believe he came to the same conclusion because it is the truth. Can we lynch this man? Im catching up | ||
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On December 14 2014 03:57 Tubesock wrote: GlowingBear, tell me what is a smarter play. TownSicklucker - thinks he has a town on D1 and sends him a gift and CLAIMS he did. MafiaSicklucker - Claiming to give a towny a gift (knowing who the townies are) and then using a kill shot on them. Then claims "Oh no! He must have opened the present!! Poor suicidal Damdred." On a Starcraft 2 forum I find it hard to believe there are many stupid people. This isn't Super Mario Brothers, SC2 takes effort. You're saying that Sicklucker is more likely stupid and thus "town"? REALLY??? How am I stupid when im right about my town read and I convince every player in the game but you and maybe rsputin that im town. I did the optimal play just stop im like the top town other then maybe like xata. | ||
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On December 14 2014 05:53 Alakaslam wrote: Who is LS a confirmed town untill hes counter claimed. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:31 batsnacks wrote: I don't know who to vote. I think ksc and holy are the mafia, ff is the deflection. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:35 Tubesock wrote: My last vote. ## Keslier. LEt's make this easier. Either Vote KelsierSC or Tubesock. No one else. GB Shape up. You were being stubborn, and I convinced you once. IF you really believe what I said, then you know that Kels is also a good lynch. WHen he pops mafia, it will also clear you. Like are you claiming mafia partner with holy? Your shit just doesint make sense. Your also not the lynch here apparently its ksc vs holy vs ff. | ||
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On December 14 2014 06:49 Tubesock wrote: Templar, you have been on me since the beginning of day 2. AND JUST NOW YOU VOTE OFF ME WHEN I SPAM AND DROP HUGE READS??? Dude people are unvoting you because its clear we dont have the numbers and we dont want are vote wasted chilax. | ||
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So power roles I wanna talk to you. If your on the obvious kill list. People like xata etc who are almost certainly getting killed tonight. You should tell us your role and any info you have 1 minute before eod so mafia cant do anything about it. If your a huge mislynch target and dont think your gonna die obv dont say anything. | ||
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Like dont even start I was all aboard lynching him untill he refused to try to save himself... | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote: I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why. Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets. | ||
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We got alot of information either way, alot of the unknowns have town reads now while a few people looked suspicious | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:10 ritoky wrote: so on board that you never voted on him once, and were berating those voting on him...now you're role hunting? if you're town, wtf are you doing. im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:18 rsoultin wrote: Dude, no. KSC knew he was being lynched. Why would he go, no, no, don't kill HF, kill FF? if HF was mafia with him? He didn't even try to derail the lynch. I hate to say it as i hate this word but thats the most useless wifmo ever. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:24 ritoky wrote: you literally just asked roles to claim....wtf are you even doing? No I didnt you god damn donkey. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote: OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. ok then its just not updated. | ||
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I just read all the roles and you should tell us who your shooting at eon (not now) like at 5:59 tormorow eastern time. Like your getting blocked regardless so that wont matter anyway. This can help people who dont think your town confirm you but ultimately its up to you. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: The End of Counts KelsierSC (8): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (0): Tubesock (2): ritoky (0): froggynoddy (0): Half the Sky (0): Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast (2): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster sicklucker (0): Trfel (1): KelsierSC was lynched! | ||
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Hes top town with no known role hes who I would kill. | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:39 rsoultin wrote: GD it SL why do you never think things through? That would prove nothing -_-. The point is nothing but ritoky dying tonight proves anything. Oh, I said I'd shoot so-and-so but it didn't go through! I must have been RBd! You can't see the flaw in that for those who think he is mafia? why are you so anti helping town? like why not try? If ritoky shoots a mafia hes confirmed like 100% your horrible. Hes already confirmed to me so idc just trying to help others. | ||
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Is this a good idea? I just want to help them decide if they should come out right before the end of night and not risk dying thoughts? | ||
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On December 14 2014 08:55 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I don't care anymore @ SL. Do what you will. It's not anti-town to point out that a confirmation isn't an actual confirmation. But I'm kind of tired of fighting you on things. I think it detracts from the purpose of the game to keep doing it. But it is a confirmation wtf. So like screw it I already kinda suggested who I think mafias gonna kill. Obi hammered ksc and reduced mafias potential kp. Mafia would never do that hes confirmed town hes played this entire game like a role hes going to die tonight if your santa come out, I hope obis not santa but im trying to put myself in mafias shoes and I kill him 10/10 times tonight. | ||
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On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote: I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case. Of course you are, you think the two most obvious towns in the game are mafia. Their never going to kill you whats your point here, and with that random quote? Dont worry your not gonna die ever in this game except to town if you keep this up. Like can you explain to me how LS is ever mafia when he claims a role and no one counters it? Your inability to comprehend this makes you useless. | ||
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On December 14 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote: Then when a mislynch opportunity arose you were quite quick to dismiss your entire case on your mafia buddy to lynch me. that makes alot of sense from your pov actually. Ill def remember this if you die and flip town | ||
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On December 15 2014 05:06 Alakaslam wrote: Therefore shoot Lightningstrike ##QED OF BAMCIS KILLA DA SKUMZ No bad slam bad!we dont kill Ls untill someone counters his ghost hes totally town | ||
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On December 15 2014 05:54 Alakaslam wrote: There is WIFOM; there was no guarantee made that there were any ghosts. But I see you Ls is never gonna claim a random role and pray no one else has is because thats a bad play. Hes also a scared newb no offense that would never make a play like that. People you can shoot Slam froggy (probably this guy wtf is he even playing) tube oats vivax? ff Guys you should never shoot due to technical reasons Ls ( confirmed you baddies) Ritoky ( has a gun) Hf (claimed) Gb (kind of because hes so aligned with ritoky that if ritoky kills a mafia and gets confirmed so will he) obiwan ( he hammered mafia kp hes probably dead tonight anyway) | ||
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On December 15 2014 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote: I've got to get ready for work so feel free to berate my shitty reads while I'm not here, I may not make it back by EoN so here's my list for now. Vivax, HF, Xat, HTS my scum reads going into the next day because they were the main proponents of the wagon on me. Vivax and HF mentioned NKs to justify a scumread on me right away, I didn't look deeper to see who else used NK logic but these two said shit right out of the gate. Vivax unvoted me before kelsier put his vote on me, then voted me again after. xat was the last one to take his vote off me. HTS honestly is a gut read and pretty weak. I'm not going through the first day/night again so if there's anything in there that makes this list stupid let me know. Slam SL truffles liancourt top towns for me Slam was totally pushing you untill like 30 mins before vote. I donno it could be a bus, slam loves busing he bussed me when when we were both mafia in are last game from like day 1 when I was the mos town read of are 4 man mafia team and it just killed all my momentum and I eventually couldn't mislynch you. | ||
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On December 15 2014 07:08 Vivax wrote: I find it curious you put so much faith into people being on the correct wagon when your vote, along with Xatalos' achieved exactly nothing besides you being able to say that now. HE HAMMERED MAFIA | ||
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On December 15 2014 07:24 batsnacks wrote: KSC had his vote on FF the entire time, so he could have saved himself even with OWS' vote right? Yes and both mafia and town should have assumed this. | ||
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On December 15 2014 07:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Is there any chance we ever move past the Hf being scum line of thinking? Yes of course. Awesome things can happen tormorow | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:10 Vivax wrote: Scum is pro at sniping roles it seems. Speaking of that, I'm the ghost of christmas yet to come, and if rsoultin suggests there can be two of them, I call insanity. Also looks like our pro vig might have shot the mason. Na lol like are roles were so obvious dude thats why I was begging santa to claim at 5:59 est with his check incase he died. I also blatantly asked for a medic save on obi hello medic?. So if are medics about to claim (thats the only thing hf can claim now) I want answers | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:10 Vivax wrote: Scum is pro at sniping roles it seems. Speaking of that, I'm the ghost of christmas yet to come, and if rsoultin suggests there can be two of them, I call insanity. Also looks like our pro vig might have shot the mason. Did anyone else claim this role? Mass claiming is probably fine now we only have a potential medic left who im sure hf is going to claim anyway so come on out boys. | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:28 liancourt wrote: 4 things to discuss today 1. HF needs to die 2. What happened to rit's shot? 3. What happened to vig's shot? 4. Everyone just claim roles cos vig and seer died anyway. Wait vegs shot should go through even if he dies correct? Something weird is going on would mafia block and kill obiwan? Why not block ritoky? This might mean ritokys mafia. | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:31 rsoultin wrote: The medic is still a potential RBer, no one should claim. Stop this nonsense -_-. Na just dont claim yet wait to cc holy which is gonna happen. The rest may as well we need to figure shit out | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:34 rsoultin wrote: No, the rest should not claim either. How stupid are you? Or how stupid do you think everyone else is/believes you to be? That would be process of elimination. NO ONE SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT NOW. Like everyones claimed already dude like stop. Even I know who the medic is | ||
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On December 15 2014 08:43 batsnacks wrote: I'm not really a town power role. I was just trying to be like the cool people and claim at night. We know it was the saddest attempt but I love you for it. | ||
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On December 15 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote: 2kp. Is there a mafia rolecop? Holyflare, claim Veteran or I'll lynch you. we killed mafias third kp yesterday | ||
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On December 15 2014 09:53 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, why would Santa try to lynch holyflare by having a "gut feeling"? His check was obvious not on Kelsier. Hm. It was on ff Im like tottaly sure he would have tried harder if he red checked hf. Green checking ff is the only option lets amuse that and move on | ||
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On December 15 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: There IS a mass murderer considering quantity of dead people day1 No there was 1 role with extra kp and we killed it. | ||
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On December 15 2014 10:28 GlowingBear wrote: There was no kill dealt from KSC because THERE WAS NO DISGRUNTLED CLAIM GODDAMMIT na so many of them died on n1 he almost certainly correctly hit n1. | ||
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On December 15 2014 11:13 Half the Sky wrote: SL, why did you vote for Froggy? Hes mafia in both words like wtf is this person doing | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:31 liancourt wrote: In the next 2 days hf and rit are going to get lynched no questions asked. All other reads are irrelevant until these 2 flip. I disagree I think ritoky is pretty town if it comes out are veg was not rbed. Medic save/veteran hit for example. | ||
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On December 15 2014 13:58 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously, if HF flips mafia, I have contundent facts that rsoultin is hod partner. Although I must say I'm impressed with his play here. +1 Like pic a side people for this vote. Its not we vote one person from each world I would look at lian for suggesting that totally what mafia wants | ||
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On December 15 2014 14:06 rsoultin wrote: You really don't find it strange when the entire game breaks up into camps? I do. No because ones mafia and ones not lol? thats what should be expected its up to the fence towns to pick the winning team | ||
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On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote: I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday. omg... why didnt you come out like when we asked? To who btw they have to come out with a check today anyway. | ||
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On December 15 2014 15:57 Holyflare wrote: How the fuck am i playing against my win condition by not revealing i have a present??? By saying idc if you vote me.... | ||
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On December 15 2014 15:57 rsoultin wrote: He was trying to get shot. The present's power would have been wasted. Come on SL. Think. No because if he gets shot the presents lost anyway. Try again your mafia together | ||
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Also you claim vt. A vt always opens the present especially when the kill present is out of play like your not this bad. | ||
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On December 15 2014 16:03 Holyflare wrote: Or Give it to someone so it's not completely lost?? How many brain cells are you missing there buddy Regardless of the sequence of events you had the present in your possession for one night. Your vt why did you not open it? Why did you send it to someone else that could be mafia, or could die and we lose the ability. Its so bad of a vt play, your not this bad your mafia. | ||
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On December 09 2014 19:51 Palmar wrote: Clarificaation Passing presents is a DAY action. It is a mandatory action (Gift will be RNGd if no target is selected). Opening a present is a NIGHT action. If not opened the holder must then pass it the following day. This means that the people who randomly received the presents today, will not get a chance to open them. Also, all aspects of the gift giving process is anonymous. They cannot be tracked, watched, roleblocked, and no one is ever notified of anything except receiving a gift. | ||
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On December 15 2014 16:12 Holyflare wrote: I had the present on n1 and I didn't want to die??? Like i can't even understand you here you're being intentionally dumb. I gave it to someone that I thought might actually be town and wouldn't be shot. I was clearly going to die one way or another and it would be a massive waste. You're telling me I should have kept it and opened it n2 and also should hope to survive till day 4 when everyone in this game basically wants to lynch me today??? Ok if it was night 1 (feel like your storys changing) That means someone should have checks today. So whoever you sent the present to should have checks and can verify your story. who did you send it too? Let me double check before you expose the person but I think they should have the checks already | ||
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On December 15 2014 16:19 Holyflare wrote: A) I'm not terrible at reading town people B) you're saying i should have used it even though I am the highest likelihood person of dying but i shouldn't send it to someone i think may have been town because they COULD die?? IF YOU DIE IN THE NIGHT YOU DIE WITH THE PRESENT , so a vt would open it regardless. You either made a donkey play or are lieing. With that being said if you are town only a town would send a town a present, so if we can confirm that person as town we confirm two towns so please dont role over and die..... | ||
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If holy is town the mafia team has to be something like this ksc oats templar hts/ lian froggy, with a few possible unconfirmed. If we can confirm holy or anyone else tomorrow I have auto so I dont want to kill him. | ||
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On December 15 2014 16:53 liancourt wrote: There is absolutely no progression in discussion with you being alive. I'm sorry but you really need to die and flip. Him dying really doesint help me? How does it help you? Just because he dies town wont mean gb an ritoky are for sure scum and I already know who his mafia team mates would be. mostly lurkers... | ||
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Brass manager didnt kill anyone night 1 because no one claimed that specific role. It would seem they have a Mass Murderer as well with a bullet left. Veg likely shot kush and wasted his bullet, the confirmed veg was asking are veg to shoot him... Its not 100% that dandre died but its so likely that you have to go into this thinking that. Mafia wont go killing claimed vt's night 1 they role hunt. | ||
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On December 15 2014 17:11 Tubesock wrote: I'd like to ask a question. Given my tinfoil if you look at this: Is it a pretty smart play to leave 2 mafia's on me, and then jump to KelsierSC enough to keep him dying and insuring Holyflare lives? This also gives some town cred to 2 other mafias, they can jump off Holyflare too if they really had to. Ls is confirmed town. Froggy is an afk lurker as either alignment waste of time. | ||
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On December 16 2014 03:44 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I think the Mass Murderer is out of bullets because he will be given only 2 bullets to try to kill people and since there is no refund in bullets if I recalled reading the role description it's only going to be 1 death per night now so we got some time to figure out who is scum but we still under pressure though to get out some scum members to make connections on the remaining scum members thus we win the game as town. Na he has one bullet left which means hes condifent hes not going to day. Your just repeating stuff stay away from this stuff ;p | ||
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On December 16 2014 07:03 Tubesock wrote: My birthday is December 15th. HF saw my icon change, I hope others did too. Just for the record, I will never open a present, I will pass it on. Should I die in the night, it will not be due to a death present. There wasn't much reason to post for me as the wagon was on Holyflare. It needs to go back there or to one of my other suspects. In case you forgot: Holyflare Sicklucker The_Templar Froggynoddy Lightningstrike My reasoning hasn't changed. If anything my thoughts have been reinforced. Remember that time I was begging people to hammer holy over ksc minutes 5 before deadline? Like your team is so bad were never together and LS IS TOWN MAN | ||
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On December 16 2014 07:19 Tubesock wrote: OR mafia claims it for me as I'd be dead from a mafia night kill. Page 160 Sicklucker and Holyflare and talking about Presents making it look like a fight. Holyflare acts frustrated because no one is listening to him and he's the biggest wagon blah blah then randomly says (at the top of page 161) "I sent a present yesterday. Happy birthday." It's a nothing comment, until after the next night. Someone will mention that they saw my icon change to the happy birthday one, then holyflare can confirm, then you guys can argue about if I opened the present and killed myself. So, I am going to do my best to disrupt this play. I am going to be perfectly clear and reemphasize that under no condition will I be acknowledging receipt of a present, and I'm also saying under no circumstances will I be opening one. They can not cast doubt by claiming I must have been killed with the death present. If my 6 are right (OMG SCUMSLIP???) then think about if this is a good play or not. And look at who is involved. Oh, all of them except Templar who is lightly being bussed by Holyflare. Hmmm. ROFL never listen to a thing this guy says for the rest of the game. | ||
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On December 16 2014 07:28 Half the Sky wrote: Back from dinner. Just checked the rules, nothing in the OP about RB notifications. BH's student mafia rules do say you are notified of getting RBed, but this isn't a BH game. You are not notified you are roleblocked it says it somewhere. But it also says you can often amuse you were but it doesint say anything about a pm so we might have a slip gotta look into this. | ||
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On December 16 2014 08:40 Tubesock wrote: I am saying Mafia Holyflare is setting up an excuse to night kill a town by saying it was the death present. He isn't sending any gift. Gifts can not be verified or confirmed. It's simply smoke and mirrors. Like no hes not. No one would even believe that. Your the only one who wont admit besides overwhelming evidence that I had the death present. | ||
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The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it. So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. | ||
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On December 16 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote: If they are mafia together...? Like i said yesterday and you said was silly for no reason?? They just pass it between each other? Gb passed it to his null read after all. But they dont say they have the present there is 0 mafia motivation to say he has it. (look it got him killed) So the only way a mafia ritoky would bring it up is if he received it from a town who will suspect him if he doesint use it. In this case ritoky realized gb has him in a corner so comes out and says he has it so the roleblocker will make his kp useless and he will never have to use his present to help town or look scummy.. Ritoky could totally have a kp for mafia. (he probably sent it to someone else) we should kill him | ||
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On December 16 2014 09:22 Holyflare wrote: Stalling with the present i gave away...? Yes because if that person is confirmed town your confirmed and you know we know this so we keep you around till tomorrow. | ||
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On December 16 2014 09:25 Holyflare wrote: I literally have no idea what you ever say and how you even come up with this circular logic. You're like tube but he actually has coherent reasons. You cant possibly believe this, is this a confession? | ||
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LoneMeow the Carol Singer is dead - Dead to mass murderer kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead - idiot / idiot veg who claimed he was shooting kush Damdred the Joyful Child is dead - Dead to my present Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead - mafia kp 1 Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead mafia kp Scenario 2 Your world LoneMeow the Carol Singer is dead Dead to veg ( I dont see any prove veg even mentioned him) kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Idiot Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Massmurderer or killed by present Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Mafia kp1 Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Mafia kp 2 In your world there could just be no mass murderer and so I dont know how veg shooting lonemeow disproves my really strong claim. My claim is strong because I brought it up immediately for no reason with 0 motivation. Mafia would never even mention they have a present we have been over this thats the reason im town not because of the night 1 kills... | ||
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On December 17 2014 00:54 batsnacks wrote: So you think KSC wasted his vote to give ritoky town credit too? You think they traded 2 scum for a HF mislynch? I don't think so. You guys think I dont bus my own team mate and vote him when he wont even vote to save himself? If I was mafia , I would 100% make my vote land on the mafia thats going to die, I was there at eod. | ||
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On December 17 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote: I thought it was already proven obi shot lonemeow? Lonemeow was sick towny and obi said lonemeow was mafia before he shot him Like I didnt know but only because I didnt care it didnt really matter at the time. Apparently its gbs reason to scum read me and I want to know why | ||
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On December 17 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote: Sicklucker you maintained that there was no mass murderer for like 2 days and now you're saying there is?? Na thats just a gb lie. On December 16 2014 09:22 sicklucker wrote: lian you might be totally right about not killing ritoky today. If ritoky is mafia they probably have 2 extra kp on other mafia members. Ritoky never has the extra kp as because you have to send the present to another player or lose it. Im operating under the assumption that theres a mass murderer, I was untill now. I think the confuses was when we killed ksc I thought his role was responsible for the extra n1 kill. But gb pointed out to me that he couldnt have shot n1 because no one claimed that role. Ive been operating under that assumption since. Also what does this have to do with anything? | ||
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I also get more information by turning this landslide vote into something interesting to discuss im confident in my position as town in your eyes so its just the logical thing for me to start discussion and scum hunt oats. Im still town reread the facts dont let mafia propaganda sway you. I cant post again so stop asking me to explain things that are already in my filter for another hour plz and letting mafia having an excuse to put dirt on me. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote: Lol, guilt by association. I don't think you're high on people's lynch list right now though, SL. Even if some of us probably do have doubts about you. [b]And I should have known this was a present thing again -_-. Either rit did or didn't open the present. The ks is either gone or he never actually knew what was in the present So this entire line of reasoning you're on is pointless. -facepalms-[b/] God do you ever stop being condescending. If rit is mafia he lied about opening the present and mafia still has it or he would never claim it. Mafia wont waste a kp like that. And he wouldn't have opened it last night because hes on the chopping block he would have sent it to another mafia member hes sure wont get voted off. Just so if you didnt know mafia lie lol. If he flips mafia the present is in mafias hands.Stop talking like your a no it all when your completely wrong. Ill post this in an hour so I dont get modkilled. Also mafia could have claimed either present day 2 without opening it if they had both presents and saw dandred blow up by poe. Everything you said is literally completely wrong just leave the present theory to me ok baby? ;p | ||
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On December 17 2014 07:34 rsoultin wrote: Glow didn't want to vote rit or HF...-shrugs- Tube has his conspiracy theories centered on HF (since most of mine center on GB, can't really say anything) Lian thinks we won't learn anything until HF flips Viva wants Oats cause he doesn't feel he's contributed at all, thinks rit is a plynch [b]SL has some KS present theory (lol) ]/b] Slam...who knows??? Stfu its a fact mafia has the kill present to use whenever they feel like. Its not a theory its a fact and everyone should know about it because it could mean we reach lylo one day earlier. | ||
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On December 17 2014 08:12 The_Templar wrote: He actually did try to kill someone then  Nice job bats Ya that is weird I dont think ritoky trys to save his bullet he had too much presure on him. This means there was a medic save last night or a vet. cool | ||
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MAFIA WOULD NEVER SEND a present to a town. I think ff is the green check everyone probably should. THIS MEANS HF IS TOWN | ||
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On December 17 2014 08:33 rsoultin wrote: First mafia has all the presents, now HF is confirmed town because he sent a present to FF? Really, SL -_- Why are you so determined to force the "only town gives presents to town" line down our throats? Are you scared to get lynched. It sure as hell sounds that way. why are you so against listening to me and solving the game | ||
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On December 17 2014 08:57 batsnacks wrote: plynching oats for being afk is enough though? To this extent ya. Im more sure of him then hf. Its not a p lynch. | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:35 GlowingBear wrote: But well, my theory that scum could have hammered HF but didn't was proven right. If you're still scumreading me, remember that I was the one that started to ask questions about notification to ritoky. This is exactly what I was trying to achieve at that moment. That's why after his answer I asked anyone who was roleblocked day1 to claim. Also, as holyflare quoted Vivax, LoneMeow was shot by vigi. Proof one is that Obi said he was reading LM as mafia Proof two is that, as only 2 kills happened, Obi was shot AND roleblocked, which is TOO accurate night actions for mafia UNLESS they realise obi was the only one scumreading LM. And as they know they didn't shoot LM night one, it was easy to know who to roleblock and kill. Mass murderer 100% shot on day one its just the correct play so veg didnt kill lonemeow. It doesint matter tho just means are veg really did shoot kush | ||
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On December 17 2014 10:39 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know if the sudden realisation from Vivax was TMI or smart townie, because it took me long to understand the nightkills. Also, ritoky probably sent his present to another scum partner when he claimed he was going to open it. HF, please, open your present if you haven't sent it yet. Hs sent his present to ff how do you miss this? You think ff is town so that means hf is town by the logic you used earlier. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:56 rsoultin wrote: Okay, I'll give you that. That's actually a fair point. -shrugs- Still don't know if anyone will own up to it, even if they are still alive. Holy flare had the present yesterday. At night he sent it to ff. FF received it today and cant open it untill tonight. Someone who died n1 or a mafia sent i to hf who had it on d1. | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote: I mean like people have given a 1000 reasons why ritoky hopping onto me would have actually been a BAD mafia play and people are still talking about that over and over again without acknowledging it. Now we know ritoky was mm, sticking himself in the forefront of the mislynch would have been the worst play of the century. Will do some actual analysis now because the gb ritoky team i called out day 1 is looking super real right now. Thinking it's templar/oats/gb atm. This is a very likely world. | ||
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On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote: So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town. This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great. So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town? Thats a really good point mafia likely has both presents. I hate to admit it FF but that present might be a bomb lol | ||
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On December 18 2014 05:29 Holyflare wrote: unless you mean the name of the person in which case it's up to them whether they want to claim not me FF already claimed man. Did you send it to him or not? How did you not read 5 pages of this thread? Like you wasted so much of are time and post by missing ff's claim | ||
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To bats I was trying to keep who I was voting for a secret to not affect the night kills so fu you for that but I am voting hf and maybe dieing so ill leave my potential last will and testameny. Lynch holy then oats pretty self explanatory then... The templar- Ive played with him once before when I was mafia and got him mislynched. He fought with tooth and nails against it posted like 10 page filters in defense. Here hes like vanished and just sheeped people on non mafia targets, hes my first kill HTs - Played with her . she played extremely stronger as a town and I was ride or die with her d1. Here shes been so quite and under the radar we probably have to kill her at some point that might be in lylo tho. Rstoulin - Could go either way we need to filter dive him. I feel like hes trying way too hard to get a town lynched which is why im a bit skeptical Xata - Could still be mafia hes fell off alot. Im sure theres things in his or rstoulin filter that can prove their alignment so lets look into these people the most boys Slam - Meh cant read probably town? Dont take my word on this Froggy - I dont know but he made really good points just now about the present and why ff should not open it. Think hes finally got my town read Gb - Totally town but there gonna push a mislynch on him. FF- Town probably gonna open that present and kill himself (dont open this present ever unless we can make a family history tree of where it came from Me, bats , ls, vivax. All town dont worry were the next 4 night kills. | ||
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On December 18 2014 06:35 Holyflare wrote: Even hypothetically if i sent it to mafia then that mafia sent it to fecalfeast the mafia gains ridiculous town credit for sending it to a green check. There's literally no reason for me to claim the name at all because it's already proven that the fucking present exists because fecal has it. If someone else sent fecal a present that didn't originally get it from me they just counter claim and i die. Your points are all asinine and not well thought through at all. Good because your going to die anyway and whoever cc's you would be mafia? Like your stance is so anti town right now it cant possibly come from a town. | ||
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On December 18 2014 07:15 Alakaslam wrote: Who cares about that I mean really No ones claiming to have sent it to him so its an obvious mafia bomb are you slow? If its from a town that town would tell him who he is to gain his trust. | ||
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On December 18 2014 04:55 froggynoddy wrote: So I have been thinking. I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim. I feel like the only logical play for Ritovky was to claim vig-present to hide a mass-murderer shot and confuse town. This must (you'd think) have been vetted by his scum-buddies. This means that scum should have had both presents as otherwise the risk would be too great. So I guess my question is... how does FF have a present as town? This is why froggy got lynched btw and why I town read him. What he said is true and means hf is mafia. Also he says he doesint want to vote gb. Gb is clearly mafias mislynch target so killing him is one vote in their favor. He might be wrong about wrong about some of it but not that mafia has both presents. Me and him both agree with this Ls please change your vote from gb to holyflare if you think im town. Sheep me Both nks were votes against holyflare. Both nightkills would not have voted gb. Holyflare is mafia. | ||
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On December 18 2014 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote: I was thinking the plan was to implicate me as GF but then froggy died. One question: why are you still alive SL? Im claimed vt we still have a possible medic. Froggy or bats were potential medics. There still role hunting. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote: HOLYFLARE, YOU GAVE THE PRESENT TO WHO? Answer this or you're going to get lynched tomorrow, I guarantee. Argh it's too hard to stop posting On December 17 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: If FF has got the present from holyflare, I want to know who gave the present to him. Who was it? I'm making a fucking ton of sense and any townie can clearly see my stream of thoughts. On December 17 2014 11:52 GlowingBear wrote: If he has got the present day3, the person was still alive day2. I the person was still alive day2, if it wasn't Kelsier who gave the present to HF, it was either obi or Trfel. Considering Trfel ended up voting HF and obi wasn't sure about HF, they probably didn't send him the present. My question continues: who sent the present to holyflare? On December 18 2014 01:44 GlowingBear wrote: Bah, if you guys can't see me as town after everything I've wrote, nothing will. Have in mind that the probability of the Mass Murderer holding his shot day1 is very very low, which means damdred was shot instead of killed by the death present. This leads to two possibilities: 1) Sicklucker claimed giving the present to Damdred as mafia because he knew that mafia was going to shoot damdred and that he would gain towncred for the giving thing (less likely) 2) As mafia knew sicklucker was dumb enough to claim to who he gave the present, they simply shot the present bearer (more likely) kushm4sta the Scrooge is dead Damdred the Joyful Child is dead Koshi the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Kitaman27 the Disgruntled Retail Worker is dead Although two disgruntled died, I now find hard to believe they were shot by the banker. Because the guys who were shot are very strong players, and if mafia decided to take a risk to waste a kp on kush, useless player (sorry kush); I don't know what to say. This means there's obviously a Marley. Sigh. There is no way mafia had perfect two actions on the vigi at the same time without having privileged information. As they couldn't have used a rolecop present, neither have a rolecop power, they knew obi was the vigi because LoneMeow died. That's how obis shot didn't get through. I doubt obi, as the aggressive player he is (not hostile, but aggressive), he wouldn't hold his shot. This leads to another theory: knowing it was obi the vigilante, they knew they had to roleblock him. With two disgruntled dead, the banker wasn't really a power role anymore, so he could be sacrificed. Which means holyflare is probably the roleblocker. He was kept alive to prevent obis shot. And the mass murderer, with two shots wasted, could be lynched. But nothing better than mislynching. So I reaction tested people into lynching outside the main wagons on day3. Search for people who instantly agreed and pushed hard another lynch. This is a post who confirms holyflare as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote: I didn't send the present to fecal you tool i got the present n1 and sent it on day 2. That person then sent it to fecal day 3 and here we are with fecal receiving it n3. He is omitting the person who he sent the present. There is no town motive to keep it as a secret, because there is nothing that could make mafia kill the one who has no present anymore. Do you know why he omitted it? Because if he is mafia and sent the present to a partner; A) if he lies and says he sent to a townie, the townie will say he never got the present from him B) if he says it was a mafia partner, if HF is lynched and flips red, he automatically incriminates his partner. I was waiting to see if Holyflare would answer me so we could have two mafia to kill, but it seems HF is ignoring me (by the time I've made this post). Now, with holyflare flipping mafia, take a look at rsoultin. He's been discrediting me for no reason, hard defending HF the whole game for no reason either, and he is not doing ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched. There is a post from rsoultin in the thread where, when I say I'm going to post part2 on HFs case, he says it wouldn't be necessary. Do you see town motivation behind this phrase? Looking at this post in a vacuum, I can't see a world where town could possibly deny his scumread into giving reads on someone. I can see a world where scum is trying to put down a potential case on his partner. This is unflipped, so, HF must flip to get this read right. So, take a look at him. It's very strange the way he is pushing things. But for his effort and high post count, he could be town or very good scum. Go after liancourt because he was the guy who most draw attention regarding voting someone else outside the ritoky/HF wagon. I've noted this yesterday, please take a look: + Show Spoiler + Scum hammered KSC because they needed HF to roleblock obi, as they knew obi was the vigi. Mass murderer lost his last shot which means he was useless and holyflare was more important. Search for people who wanted to lynch other people or ended up on ritoky on the last second. People on HF wagon are probably town. Whoever wanted to lynch HF but decided another person was better and tried to push this other vote is most likely mafia. In the votecounts, if you can find people wasting their votes on day1, hammering KSC day2 and voting oats day3, the probability of being mafia is huge. Townreads based solely on feelings and not thinking on objective arguments: Slam Tubesock Rsoultin SL (Yes, I KNOW how this sounds contradictory, but it isn't, because I'm talking about gut feelings without consider any objective argument. I'm reading SL and Rsoultin as possible scum considering other arguments and NOT gut feeling). This is my last post, unfortunately. (I was waiting to see if HF would post a name, but since he didn't post it until now and people are already saying he won't say, I'm posting it) I came to the same conclusion before I read gb's post Thats how I know gb is town and hf is mafia. When I confronted holyflare at the end of last night he blatantly lied and clearly wanted ff to open the present. | ||
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We dont know who sent it to him, we dont know where it went after him no town claimed and he wont tell us. Like he never had any present he just claimed one that mafia had this is so basic stuff what are you confused about? Its a really solid case | ||
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Like im working under the assumption there is 6 mafia or maybe more in this game theres too many scummy people. hts, templar, holyflare ,oats I have each of these as like 90% scum or a role. and theirs xata and putin who have not really proved their town to me. On December 19 2014 00:42 Holyflare wrote: I was under the assumption you'd instantly vote for templar after agreeing with the case. It's what I expect everyone to do, yet I don't really see anyone doing it. Strange (not really because he's mafia). It's no question on who to vote for you because you just shouldn't give a shit if the cases are that good it's just lynching between 2 mafia. I dont like this post of his. If we kill outside of holyflare I want it to be oats or preferably hts I think just because holy isint pushing them... There all mafia to me | ||
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Hf I said you give templar town cred when you die and flip mafia not whatever you thought. Im done working with you this game you just shit on everything I say and you usually dont read it properly. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:32 rsoultin wrote: the amount of arrogance in this thread is stifling, from whichever quarter or whichever alignment. people talking about others "doing the right thing" and there's only one possible good lynch gets on my nerves -_- there are at least two scumbuckets left. that we can know for sure. so there is not only one possible "correct" lynch. for instance, vivax bugs me because he comes in complaining about people discussing WIFOM presents, but at the same time bases a good portion of his reads off of WIFOM night kills. i'm not certain if he just doesn't realize that both are equal amounts of scum would/wouldn't do this because it's too stupid/we'd think it's too stupid or not, but the double-standard makes me twitch. then there's his reads, which he seems more than willing to ditch for the first convenient case that comes along, no matter how weak... which makes me wonder why he'll sheep GB's case on HF and HF's case on Templar but not trfel's case on KSC or my case on GB. Since he has yet to explain his own reasoning for going with others' cases...that seems very suspicious to me. "it sounded good" or "it convinced me" from him, when he's making his own reads, is just squirrely lian obviously is a big question mark. His reasoning is absolutely non-existent, and he refuses to give any. I also don't trust anyone who seems to be planning out his lynches in advance. even some of the most stubborn here will change a vote as the situation changes, but not him so no, I don't agree with this "do the right thing" or "you must vote so-and-so" bs. makes me want to kick y'all Speaking of arrogance Have you not considered Its because your case is not as good? . Please stop putting scum on confirmed towns or I really will try to get you voted out later on. On December 19 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote: Like the case is so super solid that even if I was mafia I'm handing you a mafia on a plate so you should be jumping on that shit anyway?? He even returned to say the meta was meh and never said anything about any other part of it. If he does claim a role you'll know he's mafia too because he already claimed joyful child. How perfect is that? Free mafia lynch! Like I agree but your good enough to confuse these players ( you already are) I wanna get you out while we can , you already killed two votes against you last night you will kill two votes against you tonight and bam you win. The fact your trying to stall another day makes me want to kill you even more. | ||
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On December 19 2014 10:21 Half the Sky wrote: Alright, question for not only SL but other vets who've played with HF as scum - basically you lot are saying his strategy to win as scum is 1) bus people as needed and 2) eliminate votes against himself in some way. Am I understanding you correctly? Where are you getting the "free lynch on GB" or do you mean he's going to NK GB? Also SL, using what you just said, the two people who died, I know Bats wanted to kill HF, but I just went through Froggy's filter, and I don't see any anti-HF sentiment in there. I see twice on page 2 of the filter, he says he wants to lynch GB over HF. On December 18 2014 08:25 sicklucker wrote: This is why froggy got lynched btw and why I town read him. What he said is true and means hf is mafia. Also he says he doesint want to vote gb. Gb is clearly mafias mislynch target so killing him is one vote in their favor. He might be wrong about wrong about some of it but not that mafia has both presents. Me and him both agree with this Ls please change your vote from gb to holyflare if you think im town. Sheep me Both nks were votes against holyflare. Both nightkills would not have voted gb. Holyflare is mafia. Hes basically saying hf and ff are scum here so he would have voted hf. It makes perfect sense accept the ff part could be explained by mafia having a rb and knowing they have a kill present still live. | ||
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That means he thinks hf and ff are fakeclaiming, that means hes voting hf. Its not super obvious so that explains why mafia killed. This is really simple stuff dont let the great froggy die in vien. And if you think about it HES COMPLETELY RIGHT THIS PROVES WITHOUT ANY DISPUTE HF IS MAFIA. Ritoky claimed a present. He would only do this if mafia has both because dandred died with one. | ||
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Rputin I ignore your case because I know gb is town. I can only really prove this when hf flips mafia. Can you explain why mine, froggys, and gb's case doesint tell you hf is mafia? You keep using the same excuse "its present related". But the facts are mafia wont claim a present unless they are sure it cant be counter claimed. This means hf is 100% lieing about his already sketchy claim. Like how more obvious can this get? Im running out of posts and your completely ignoring the facts. If your town you need to realize the truth because when hf flips mafia were going to have to lynch you as of now and that might lose us this game. | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote: hf 2bad2bescum lian scum vivax scum gb not scum xata scum. about this for now yeah. These reads are terrible 100% mafia if hf flips mafia. Makes me feel better about xata and a little bit worried about gb. Ty for helping town out come again | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:37 rsoultin wrote: If I had a present I wouldn't counter-claim, because I'd want to use what was in it without getting shot or RBd. If I had a present I wouldn't really be interested in drawing attention to myself in relation to presents at all. Assuming mafia doesn't have all of them, it's not the worst way to find out where the presents are at and remove that possible threat. So no, I don't agree with your point. Sorry. And you threatening to lynch me after HF (who I believe is town anyway, or at least more likely to be town than a few in this thread) isn't going to sway me. I'm not acting scummy and I'm not afraid of being lynched. -shrugs- I'm also not much of a sheep. As soon as someone starts throwing around the 100% mafia stuff I tend to tune out because the only possible way to know that for sure is if you're santa and have a blue check or you're scum, in which case I'd be dumb to listen to you anyway. Also, apologies for the snark. I wrote that before seeing your response. The "knowing GB is town" thing is a BS answer though. How can you possibly know that, SL? You do realize you've been more or less parroting him all game? No one would counter claim the present untill after they use it , but the point is they would counter claim it eventually so thats bs. And no one has used one . vt's would not pass a present on thats what hf is claiming . Your not as good as you think you are I sheeped in my first games. To me I feel like you just want to be right rather then seeing the truth. The fact is my case against hf is better then your case against gb. I can explain why hf is mafia in like 1 line. Your long post is all circumstantial and gb can play pretty bad as town. Im 99% sure hf is scum. How sure are you on gb? | ||
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Vivax/ slam why are you sheeping your scum reads wtf? God I wanted to sleep in but I dont trust you guy. | ||
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You are claiming a vt who decided not to open a present and help town win. Theres no wifmo in my case 1. Any vt ever would open this present. Your not a power role theres no reason for you not to take the 1/3 risk to become one its literally the only correct play. You also claim your on vacation and you shouldnt be playing mafia. Another reason you would totally take this risk for town. Your lieing 2. Ritoky claims kp present. He would only ever do this if hes sure he cant be counter claimed. This means mafia has the two remaining presents because we all know I sent one to dandred and he died because of it or with it. This again means your lieing because 3. Ritoky and ksc could kill you over ksc. They choose not to. 4. Bats, obiwan, tref, froggy All thought you were mafia. They are dead 5. We ask you who we sent the present too before ff. You ignore and then refuse to tell us. The reason for this is simple its in mafias hands. If you name a town they will deny it and you will be confirmed mafia. If you ask a mafia to help you out they will be guilty by association therefor it is your only play as mafia. Like theres more thats just off the top of my head. I would quit this forum if im wrong here. Im that sure. Vote hf not who he wants you to vote | ||
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#2 Ritoky Didnt claim kp for like along time after he claimed present. It was well know that dandred died with a present by then. Mafia might have even targeted dandred because I telegraphed sending it to him. I said Dandred died with a present right after nks were announced pretty much the same time ritoky said he had one maybe before not really super important, what matters is when he claimed what was inside it. Mafia wouldn't risk opening it and dying so it took alot of balls to make that claim if they didnt have full control. 4.QUOTE]On December 19 2014 11:02 sicklucker wrote: " I think Mafia had to have the remaining presents as it makes no sense for Rit to guess with a 50% chance of being wrong and leavig yourself vulnerable to a counterclaim" That means he thinks hf and ff are fakeclaiming, that means hes voting hf. Its not super obvious so that explains why mafia killed. This is really simple stuff dont let the great froggy die in vien. And if you think about it HES COMPLETELY RIGHT THIS PROVES WITHOUT ANY DISPUTE HF IS MAFIA. Ritoky claimed a present. He would only do this if mafia has both because dandred died with one.[/QUOTE] Hes basically saying hf and ff are scum here so he would have voted hf. 5. BULLSHIT this one needs no explaining. Towns give towns information to win the game. Your not even defending the point your just putting scum on me. It makes sense since this is the best point and cant be countered. Dont worry I wont be quitting and im possibly outplaying my former coaches this game. | ||
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On December 19 2014 20:36 Vivax wrote: You could also learn about HF with a GB flip yet you arbitrarily choose HF first. Look at the the interactions between them and flipped scum and come back with the insight that GB looks worse off it. The time he starts pushing HF is at some point after votes ritoky. Wth is arbitrary about me choosing to lynch hf before gb. its something i have been pushing for over a week and I think hes a for sure thing. No theres nothing arbitrary about it. Im not going to change my mind at 7am when I cant sleep or look at gb now. If im alive tomorrow we can worry about him. Get your vote back on him. | ||
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On December 18 2014 13:17 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Holyflare On December 19 2014 11:10 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: the_templar On December 19 2014 20:25 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Glowingbear lol? like if you cant trust yourself how can town trust you. Follow me folks | ||
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On December 20 2014 00:03 rsoultin wrote: I haven't been sold on the kill present theory for Damdred for a bit. It does imply that SL is scum, though, which people don't seem to like. That or that he was just highly transparent (which I can see, cause I've posted how his posts read Day 1 before to demonstrate that it wasn't really rocket science, figuring out who SL gave the present to). It does not mean im scum at all. Please explain? Im a strong believer that the kill present is still live now since ff received one. Because in my world he only recieves one if hes mafia or mafia knows the kill present is left. | ||
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On December 20 2014 04:12 GlowingBear wrote: If we lynch holyflare and he flips town, we can trust his case on Templar as legit and kill scum. If we lynch holyflare and he flips mafia, I'm gonna masturbate to a photo of me. I can't see me working this game out without lynching holyflare This vote holyflare wtf. Templar is literally who hf wants us to vote. You guys are voting who a PRIME suspect Confirmed mafia to me wants you to vote. He could tottaly be busing but I dont want to take that risk when we have for sure mafia in are crosshairs. | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:51 Fecalfeast wrote: By all means, if someone can prove the death present is still out there it would make me feel less bad for leaving the present unopened. I already proved its more likely left. If your town its 100% around so only you can know. Either way if theres a chance and we know they have a rb (we do because veg didnt shoot) you should have never opened it Oh my god mafia plz kill me I want out of this game. Templar can you claim your role plz? | ||
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On December 20 2014 06:42 The_Templar wrote: So, when I flip town, which of you won't be voting HF? Like ill be dead, lian will be dead and the donkeys still wont be convinced and vote out gb. If you are town and I dont get this vote changed we straight up lose so help plz? | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:02 Half the Sky wrote: Rasputin, HF said he wouldn't be around for EoD. Where did he say this? I just scanned can you quote where he says this or im acualy going to assume you got this out of the emafia qt | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:40 rsoultin wrote: Eh, I'm on the fence about Oats. But since I'm scumreading GB and leaning scum on SL, anyone they want so desperately I'm reluctant to move to, to be frank. And im scum reading alot of the people who are blindly following you. Id rather templar if we cant compromise. But hf you donkey... | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: Wow Tubesock really wasn't a good town T_T We need to think about tomorrows Lynch or Lose. Tubesock I sorry but those slips made me look at you way to scummy sorry bro T_T NO SHIT SHEEP ME PUTIN IS LOSING US THIS GAME | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:38 rsoultin wrote: Yo, we should be both on the same team, bro. Make sense and I'll sheep you. Im not on your team ever this game. Get on my team or claim mafia | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:54 rsoultin wrote: If I wasn't reading gb as scum and lian ever bothered to justify his reads, I might vote with you, sl. Come on, guys, if you really believe HF is scum, convince me/us. You don't really need that many more votes. I just don't see the logic behind the present/set-up speculation keep being thrown my way >< Then your just bad and im never going to convince you. Ive made like 1000 word essays on it. The point is your leading horrible mislynches and you cant trust your reads this game. Stop being a leader plz. | ||
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On December 20 2014 09:29 The_Templar wrote: With 4 mafia, it's nearly unwinnable isn't it? Lynch hf then oats then hts then xata and we probably win but no ones gonna do this so whatever | ||
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On December 20 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote: If it's 4 mafia this game is 100% over Like this game could already be mathameticly over like 99% of the time. For example we can still win with multiple medic saves could be a reason its not over | ||
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On December 20 2014 10:47 liancourt wrote: Hf just kill me i know ur going to kill hts ls vivax but kill me first i want to die like me too hf. Wellplayed stop the slowroll and put us out are misery towns not voting you out. | ||
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On December 20 2014 11:07 liancourt wrote: Gb stop sheeping my reads and me like your literally sheeping us and trying to take more credit while doing alot less then us, which I think you do as town tbh. | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:23 Palmar wrote: templar: 5 - sicklucker, oatsmaster, alakaslam, holyflare, vivax holyflare: 4 - fecalfeast, tubesock, glowingbear, liancourt tubesock: 5 - lightningstrike, xatalos, templar, rsoultin, half the sky This is my final votecount. Seeing as tubesock was the first person to reach 5 votes between the two (templar was at 4 until sicklucker's last counted vote), the lynch is: Tubesock See I voted templar. The reason I tried switching to you was because I knew templar lost the tiebreak and ff's vote switch confused me. My goal was always to get templar lynched over tube. Your so desperate to put scum and make yourself look good your always lieing out of your teeth | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:58 sicklucker wrote: Gb calm down if you me and tube all switch to templar we at least have a better shot at hitting mafia. Im doing it follow me ##unvote ##vote The_Templar | ||
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On December 20 2014 17:19 Holyflare wrote: I'm not calling you mafia. I'm calling you terrible. I have in fact defended you today by calling you town based on your actions in the game (you know.. Not wifom and how you actually play this game, god forbid you actually read what's happening in this game) while people like gb and rsoul started to throw suspicion on you. The votes are tied 5-5 and tube got lynched because you tried to push a wagon on me that nobody agreed with you on and had to resort to 10.59 switching. You spammed your case all day and people disagreed with it and realised there were alternative town scenarios when you haven't done that at all. You pursued no other wagon or made any effort to find or lynch any other mafia at allespecially as there are most likely 3-4 mafia left. You cannot blame vivax because of your many shortcomings. ROFLMAOROFLMAORFOALMROFALM. How can people believe this man | ||
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Hts is my top mafia read now I would say its strongly meta. In her first campus game where we were town leaders we won the game together basically. There she was a tryhard here she barely posted and here its only when its convient for mafia like that tubesock lynch. Her filter is like 1/10th of her game as town. Shes afraid to interact with me and never responds. The list just goes on and on. Ill push her tomorrow were like in triple lylo so the order wont matter anymore im going for my most highest percent chance first. Can you tell me why shes town if you dont agree? | ||
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Hts insanely strong meta read xix Horrible voting/not trying at all. oats Meta + 4 page filter in a 230 page game? Like really dude? templar Meta and all 4 of these guys are scummy if you dont even count meta Like theres prop only 3-4 scum left so thats like a good case for a hf town. I still think hes mafia but were basically in lylo so ill let whosoever in the final 3 deal with that. The chances are one of those four are town so we should spend tomorrow to figure out who. And vote out hts whos always mafia lol. | ||
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Like are all of oats,hf,gb town? Probably not so lets hope they dont have the kp. I gotta stop posting Rstoulin yes you just lead the most obvious mafia wagon of all time. Like when you lead a wagon and 3 of the people following you are on everyones mafia. You just abandon ship... | ||
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On December 20 2014 21:36 GlowingBear wrote: Wow, Vivax is town... Took me too long to realise, sorry. I'm with you, Vivax. I think your analysis is informative. HTS, Xat and Templar makes a lot of sense. But oats is playing this game so indifferently that it makes me shiver. Maybe he is a possible 4 mafia? He just "sheeped" me on this but vivax is totally town anyway not sure how you didnt notice tbh?. And its just smart towns coming to the same obvious conclusions | ||
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Also im probably the save The night kills were super weird because mafia actually targeted confirmed towns. They did this because they didnt think there was a medic last night. Or me and xata were making so much sense. The medic is literally one of 2 or 3 people if slams vt claim is fake. So if your save is useful (someone im targeting) you should totally claim. The medic is one of lian or rstuin, with the only other claim id believe being slam. Im saying this because a fake medic claim is imminent and mafia knows its one of these 3 anyway. | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:54 Fecalfeast wrote: Well, if I was protected/blocked by nigella it means mafia decided to shoot me and means they probably don't have a roleblocker. And by saying this its down to 2 if my mafia list is right lol. I think the best strat for the medic is to not claim till the last second and save the other medic suspect. They have to kill you both in theory so if they dont rb you its a 25% chance save? | ||
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Basically we just lynch from my list which vivax copied and got all the creditXD. The only unknowns in this are like gb/hf which we can figure out in the final 3 if mafia is not forced to nk one of them by then. Hts templar xata oats If one of you are medic or carol singer just claim because we literally have auto. | ||
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On December 21 2014 11:35 rsoultin wrote: I don't follow. She hasn't been super active, but the other time I've played with her, she wasn't, either. You may have forgotten that she was in danger of being lynched for inactivity the last game we all played together, to. When she does come in she seems to be genuinely trying to figure out the game. Why HTS, SL? Dude like you were in both games. If you dont notice the difference already im wasting posts. | ||
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On December 21 2014 09:34 Half the Sky wrote: ##Vote The_Templar Like shes already voted without saying anything. How is this not mafia based on her last game play? Even me and hf put aside are differences and both agree shes mafia. Like think about that for a second | ||
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On December 21 2014 08:20 Half the Sky wrote: Possible scenarios: 1 You got roleblocked by scum RB since you announced the present, if scum have an RB. 2 You used KP against Xatalos. But obviously he's not dead. Nigella might have roleblocked him thinking he was scum, and saved whoever Xatalos was going to kill. As a result though Nigella also protects so that's another theory why the bullet didn't go through. #2 is plausible given the number of people that scumread Xatalos. IMO makes him look really bad right now. Its diffently #1 anyone following this game knows that hes trying to confuse us. | ||
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On December 21 2014 12:15 rsoultin wrote: Okay, SL. I read some of your earlier stuff on HTS. You brought up her filter, saying it's shorter this game than it was in our other game. Student Mafia, after 6 full days, she had 12 pages. Carolers, we're just starting the 5th day. She has 12. That is invalid. You say she hasn't talked about Templar. She has. She's been scumreading him for days. She didn't talk about him today before she voted, but it is definitely not an unexplained change in her reads, and he was also on her 3-person lynch list that she stated today. That point is also invalid. Do you have others? Also...you keep assuming that people are going to automatically do what you tell them to. Just because you told Nigella to protect OWS, and she didn't, does not mean there is no Nigella. I don't understand how you fail to see this. What about how she town read tube then voted for him out of nowhere? | ||
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Your not seeing the obvious scum that followed your horrible lynch yesterday is what worry me. You said you would take a step back can you please follow up on that. Mafias taking you to final 3 at this point. | ||
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Everyone list your kill order and lets find a compromise. You all should have no problem listing your top 3 kills because your town right? Mine in order HTS xata oats templar | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:49 Half the Sky wrote: I remember someone else criticising you in SMIV for this and I'll do it here again, regardless of who you think is scum in any game, look for scum individually please, based on what is known, and not in teams. No when 3or 4 of my scum reads tell me to lynch the same person(the templar) I will bite scratch and claw to make sure it wont happen. Especially when I see more juicy targets | ||
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That being said if he saves the other likely jk candidate we have a likely medic save, so dont claim for awile. Im not asking for him to claim im asking for the carol singer . | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:26 Half the Sky wrote: You think Xatalos is the jailkeeper? Why? wtf no hes mafia. If he was he would have claimed since were lynching him. lian is obv | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:30 GlowingBear wrote: I think the night actions for today has so much possibilities that it will be too unreliable to go after. It's not like day1. Anyway, the most weird thing was that Vivax wasn't protected and he was, I believe, the top town. Meh me an him talked for like 3 hours last night and probably solved the game. Which is why I could be a save. The medic probably is not expecting him to go after confirmed vt's either. It just means were right so mafia gave up role hunting and came after us. I wouldnt have saved vivax either last night I woulda went for my strongest towns with unconfimed roles like slam,lian,rust. Any of them could have been the save. Mafia has been role hunting every night so it makes sense to try to save them as well. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:32 rsoultin wrote: There's also the consideration that if scum is roleblocking FF, assuming they have a roleblocker which we don't know for sure (thank you for bringing up the vet HTS), then since FF was being pretty much universally townread he'd be a good KS I would think. So the last "simple" scenario is nigella RBing/saving him... But here he is pre-claiming a present again, and claiming the KS again, and scum already knows that no one will counterclaim the KS or they would have when ritoky first claimed. So it's really quite possible for FF to be scum here, and that's why I'm asking if anyone's townreading him for anything but trfel's statement right before he died. @Xata...I'm not saying it's not possible that you can't both be town. I am saying that I favor simple explanations over complex ones. Regardless, I think it would be foolish not to look into FF at all. Well for one he wasint one of five idiots who voted out an obvious town yesterday????. Like we dont worry about ff unless we think the last mafia is that specific role | ||
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It was more like he jokingly did it and mafia saw an opening. Regardless you dont kill him untill theres one mafia because he can be confirmed town if we kill the right mafia role. | ||
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On December 20 2014 18:31 Holyflare wrote: Wut. Hts sees tube giving an ultimatum about kelsier and himself from the other day, sees the case on templar with awful push on tube and agrees with it. Votes tube...? Not to mention scum read gb pushing scum read templar who is pushing scum read tube??? Wut. Town reads tube. Then jumps and helps lead rasputins train of horror? Like guys your not reading shes mafia number uno. Rast you know your town, you know Ls is town, templar had to vote tube to stay alive. That leaves HTS who should be under great scrutiny from you for helping you lead a lynch on her TOWN READ. | ||
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On December 22 2014 11:58 rsoultin wrote: He basically summarized the thread...and the hinting at KSC being scum was just cause of the silly randomizer stuff -_- it looked like he was town-reading him the rest of the time. Not saying the behavior doesn't look scummy. He's still just a policy lynch for me though. Everything a policy lynch to you man rofl. Like you just defend everyone for no reason its so annoying just stop typing if your not scum hunting no one wants to hear your fluff. xata templar hts are all scum just lynch them all just in my order. None are defending themselves I figured one might be town but there literally laying over and dying . | ||
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On December 22 2014 13:17 rsoultin wrote: Dude, calm down. I'm not interested in lynching HTS today, and I think it was my fault that any of that happened last day phase. Yes, probably at least one scum was involved...but I have someone else I want to lynch today. I really don't have the time to filter dive right now with the family coming in to stay with me in a couple days and work tomorrow. NO ITS NOT JUST YOUR FAULT STOP DEFENDING MAFIA ROFLFLFLFL PLZ | ||
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On December 22 2014 19:57 Half the Sky wrote: GB, was asleep when you asked, but as you requested Templar: Scum, my prior opinion on him hasn't changed, overall a lot of lurking. HF's case further validates my overall thoughts on him. HF: I still read him as town. Most of his points/explanations seem reasonable to me when he's been active. Yes, his activity has fallen off D4/5, and that's something to watch, but we are 3 days from Christmas, so who knows. I don't think it's reasonable to scumread him on that alone. Why did you save him yesterday and vote tube when you town read tube? | ||
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So if you guys didnt notice why I slowed my pushing hf its because I started looking at the rest of the game and I just saw 4 people that are super scummy and their cant be 5 mafia left. Hf could totally still be mafia here but its not likely enough to vote him after he defends himself well. Its still suspect that the mafia pushed tube instead of just voting out hf to save templar. But thats the only reason I can think of to make him are 4th lynch . ARE 4TH LYNCH not are 1st second or third lynch. Because hts,templar,oats are so obvious at this point. The 4th mafia can be any of hf,xata,rstun. But its so obvious who the other 3 mafia are so we never vote hf out sorry lian =[ | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: Because vivax wouldn't lynch templar with me unless i agreed to xata. Quite simple really. I even made a contract. This is true the three of us basically came together and solved the game. We never decided if hf was the last mafia but we all agreed to vote out those 3. Then me and vivax were killed in the night.... | ||
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On December 23 2014 06:49 Holyflare wrote: It's no coincedence everyone wanted to lynch me, nobody really pushed anywhere else and the thread went super stagnant with votes on me. Why do you think mafia made a third wagon on tube when you and templar were even in vote count tho? Like I might still make you are 4th lynch just because of this. | ||
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Oats xata templar is the world I would bet on. | ||
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Hf Oats xata templar if theres 4 Concede but if they dont vote out hf last make him suffer | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:17 GlowingBear wrote: Not if there is no nigella role. Anyway, HTS, answer me this again, more in depth: What did you think of Tubesock? Yes theres still possible mistakes thats why we dont vote out hf or hts we vote out oats who is on both teams. EVERYONE VOTE OATS YOU DONKEYS | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:19 Half the Sky wrote: Holyflare, you are the lynch for tonight. Xatalos will go for D6. No push oats plz. Because theres still some doubt and we cant screw this up. | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:22 LightningStrike wrote: Then Xata is confirmed town then? Confirmed mafia acualy | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:25 GlowingBear wrote: Lol SL Lol ROFL You wanted to lynch HF. I've being scumreading him the entire game. We have a confirmed mafia. And suddenly you want to LYNCH OATS? W T F ???? Its called playing it safe you moron. Hts says oats is mafia. Hf says oats is mafia. Problem? I want hf to suffer dude. I want him to post 1000 word essays everyday untill hes voted out last and town wins the game | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:30 GlowingBear wrote: MASON AND 3rd GHOST SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT NOW. SHOULDA CLAIMED A WEEK AGO ROFL | ||
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On December 23 2014 07:57 GlowingBear wrote: Actually her claim could be fake, she was under pressure after all, but her story makes sense, so, LET'S DO DIS How is she fake. Like the medic dies tonight and should be active right now preparing to tell us their save. The loss is on the real medic if shes fake | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: *breaks down into tears and runs to GB and Rasputin and gives them a hug* OMFG we did it. We fucking did it! GET IN!!!!!! ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????Im mvp? | ||
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On December 23 2014 08:11 Xatalos wrote: Yes, it'd be practically impossible to win anymore. Just waiting for confirmation from my remaining buddy. aka oats mr.3 page filter | ||
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On December 23 2014 09:46 LightningStrike wrote: sicklucker did you have me as a scum read at any point of the game? No you were super obvious confirmed town when you claimed a ghost so early. I got alot of scum from people who didnt town read you tho. Like you were 100% confirmed and people kept semi scum reading you it was so annoying | ||
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On December 23 2014 09:49 rsoultin wrote: Lol nah xata killed it for em even if someone does want to continue. im just not gonna potentially out someone else im pretty sure i figured out lol Na it mighta been when hf blamed his team and called them out. Anyway me and vivax called out their scum team like 3 days ago. There only chance was hf | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:04 Damdred wrote: 1) Screw everyone who 100% said "DAMDRED DIED FROM A PRESENT". That was the most horrible thing to say and was quite insulting! 2) I really wish people would of looked at my filter more and caught on especially to the ritoky thing and Xata thing especially with his response on day two onward his play didn't change and he was so mafia. 3) HF shouldn't of lived past d3, that vote d2 just showed how horribly mafia he was haha 4) Town sure did turn that around it was a great job 5) Lian was the town MVP I think It was not a shot at you. Like I just thought it was really strange that they would target a claimed vt in such a big game with so many roles on n1. I did change my mind on this pretty quick like usual. | ||
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On December 23 2014 16:11 Half the Sky wrote: Well, interesting stuff in the QT. Scum QT....wow. Just impressed with content. Obs QT....I was near or at the top of every scum list. Oh dear. That's not good. If anyone has any tips on improvement or anything specific they saw, feel free to post/PM. I know I struggled with some of the reads, not sure if that's common for new folks here and my part in the D4 Tube lynch was horrible. (Tube I am so sorry!) Great work overall town. We had some ups and downs but we pulled through. Trfel you were awesome, Rasputin and GB you were even more awesome. Scum team gave us a run. ggwp Thank you Marv and Palmar again for everything. See you all in the next game! I thought you were trying to be scummy so you dont get killed and that totally worked? But ya your "town game" totally feel off from your first one | ||
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On December 23 2014 19:50 liancourt wrote: After rereading i dont think town would have won without hts. I sure as hell wasnt going to convince town hf was scum when it was obvious. kudos to hts We woulda killed oats, xata, templar in some order. Woulda been hf in final 3 he could totally win but probably not I think? Would be like gb rust hf. Up to rust basically who was scumming hf. So I dont think they win | ||
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On December 19 2014 19:25 sicklucker wrote: Im not too interested in wasting my posts battling you im saving them to convince others close to vote. Ya templars probably scum. But yes you would bus him, this templar thing didnt start until it was very clear you were getting out voted over gb. Then you started this train. You are claiming a vt who decided not to open a present and help town win. Theres no wifmo in my case 1. Any vt ever would open this present. Your not a power role theres no reason for you not to take the 1/3 risk to become one its literally the only correct play. You also claim your on vacation and you shouldnt be playing mafia. Another reason you would totally take this risk for town. Your lieing 2. Ritoky claims kp present. He would only ever do this if hes sure he cant be counter claimed. This means mafia has the two remaining presents because we all know I sent one to dandred and he died because of it or with it. This again means your lieing because 3. Ritoky and ksc could kill you over ksc. They choose not to. 4. Bats, obiwan, tref, froggy All thought you were mafia. They are dead 5. We ask you who we sent the present too before ff. You ignore and then refuse to tell us. The reason for this is simple its in mafias hands. If you name a town they will deny it and you will be confirmed mafia. If you ask a mafia to help you out they will be guilty by association therefor it is your only play as mafia. Like theres more thats just off the top of my head. I would quit this forum if im wrong here. Im that sure. Vote hf not who he wants you to vote I thought this post shoulda got hf lynched gave up after it was ignored and pushed his scum mates | ||
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