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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 06:24 The_Templar wrote: I can rig RNG pretty easily. That's not very important at this stage. I haven't paid any attention to Kelsier except that he is friendly and I treat him in a friendly way. It's clear I'm batshit crazy, but I don't really know how to respond. If the RNG is rigged, it plainly shows a strong relationship with you and Kelsier, and a strategy to fish out for some town who's willing to be a distraction and possible wagon target? Are you saying Kelsier is town? If so, can you elaborate? I don't see much town in kels play. Anywhere, and I don't think many do. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: Just vote HF. He will flip scum. I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. Can you make a case on anyone? Why'd you give up on your Templar push and then go after Koshi so hard when Koshi said that Templar is paying attention? I don't understand. That and your defense of Sickluckers play I just don't get. On December 09 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, why Templar "paying attention" is something so relevant to you? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE] Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote: People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote: Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE] Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE] [quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE] He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy. Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end. Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you. I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility. Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch. I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah. I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play. I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep. "Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing. You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM. For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association. You are correct. I'm claiming that Templar and Kelsier are scum with the assumption that the RNG is rigged. Templar even said it would be easy. IF that is true, then my reads are true. If Kelsier flips town, then Templar is just as likely to. IT would likely mean all my reads are wrong. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 12 2014 22:10 GlowingBear wrote: I want to read more of the thread before making a case on HF, but a lot of his reasoning is off. The lack of push on ritoky's present claim, the multiple scumreads of wagons outside the 27nb wagon and the 27nb mislynch is all playing against him. His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. The first part (not pushing ritoky) is false and it's all I did all night. Not to mention I had multiple arguments with sicklucker telling him that ritoky should die even while having the present open. The rest of the points are terrible: A) because the likeliest place in the entire game a mafia will be is off of the town bandwagon that you say was pushed for "bad reasons" (funny how you only start to bring up that it had no reasons and push this after bunnies flipped and not before) and even if it wasn't it's by far the best place to look for mafia as a starting reference point. B) I don't see how a mislynch that had less than half of the games players on it plays against me at all when 2 flipped townies who are actually good at this game were also on the same wagon and there are 11 people on it. Unless you're saying they are mafia too then this reason means nothing. Not to mention it's incredibly weird that you call the person who kept bringing up points on her all game mafia instead of looking at any of the people on the wagon that just did nothing towards the lynch. It's one thing to say it was a bad lynch with bad reasons but it's another to pick the person who was giving out reasons that 10 people sheeped. I don't even see how you call the mislynch bad and having 0 points when she was incredibly scummy anyway and soft claimed like 3 roles conveniently. You also push some dumb read on how i now semi town read froggy after scum reading him. I never scum read him this entire game I just said his vote looks the worst along with yours etc because you were all wasting your votes pointlessly. Congratulations on pointing out that I researched him and updated my read though. His entrance in this game is awful, he picking on bunnies for being contradictory when picking up on frogs awful entrance but not picking on Vivax post on frog... This kind of double standards worries me. This also doesn't make sense at all becausw vivax agreed with the points on bunnies. His original post on froggy just said froggy was null so I don't see how that is a contradiction that needed picking on or how you even compare it to bunnies. Your attempts to get a bandwagon on me are pitiful especially as you ONLY just started after I said I wouldn't be around till late because I was driving to Belgium. | ||
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Holyflare
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 13 2014 08:20 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 13 2014 07:01 sicklucker wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE] Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My response begins here: Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end. Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you. I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility. Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch. I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah. I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play. I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep. "Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing. You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia. [/QUOTE] | ||
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Holyflare
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Alright, two things. One, claiming having a present is not the worst move as scum because clearly ppl are going to WIFOM the shit out of it as you're doing now. There were five NKs last night. Even if we assume 1 was the present, 1 was the vig and 1 was Marley...which given two of the deaths were Disgruntled Retail Workers chances are high there's at least a Branch Manager with another bullet in there somewhere...that's at least 2 more mafia NKs tonight. We know there are at least 3 scum given the OP, because one scum can't shoot twice. At best we're playing 19 on 3 right now, likely more. Also, "waiting" to see if Rit comes through is faulty cause as mafia he can NK whoever you ask for to legitimize his claim, or go damn it didn't work oops my bad if he doesn't like your choice. There is actually no possible way to validate his claim, and that is why it is a good scum move...especially if his usefulness as mafia was expended with Scrooge's death. Second, I gave GB a chance. He's been claiming throughout the game that he will be coming out with great reads, or amazing cases, and not once has he produced anything. I've seen lists with no explanations. I've seen ppl have to ask him multiple times to explain. And I've seen BS it just feels this way to me answers. GB, yes, I do want you to make your case on HF. Prove me wrong. And before you say anything about calling attention to your scummy play multiple times, I'm responding WIFOM right now. Oh, and here's another WIFOM moment for you; Damdred was the only one voting for you.  ##vote GB Bring on the reads, scummy one. | ||
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sicklucker
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In the odd chance your town tube you really need to reevaluate on me. You also have this weird obsession of me and gb being together. Hes just correctly reading me as town he would do this as either alignment but for sure as town. He has been my coach and won a game for town by pushing a lylo lynch on me. I would say he reads me the best of everyone in the game. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility. Tubesock why do you read me town when everyone else thinks I'm scum? Seems like TMI I'm not hardly playing. | ||
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sicklucker
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:12 Fecalfeast wrote: Tubesock why do you read me town when everyone else thinks I'm scum? Seems like TMI I'm not hardly playing. To get cred when you die to a veg? I agree its very weak and you said town things! | ||
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batsnacks
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 13 2014 09:13 sicklucker wrote: Damdred died to a present tho this is like mostly confirmed because the veg would not have killed anyone who died. Kush would have died anyway. They have a bank manager or the other killer its kind of irrelevant but they definitely have one. rsoultin your post was pure fluff that I already explained you got a bad habit of this. And yes ritokys claim is validated if he kills a mafia. Geez, SL. One, you clearly did not understand my post if you think I'm just repeating you, since we reached different conclusions. Why do you think that the person you guys tell him to hit will be mafia? Or that as town he would instantly get mafia any more than a vig would? Are you going to kill him if his NK hits town? Or go, well, at least you tried? The point is that you can't know. Why won't you consider that Damdred might have been killed by scum? There is no guarantee that the present killed him, or that he even opened it. Just that there is one less in the game. And again, you can't know what killed Damdred. He's a decent enough player to be NKd. Or killed because mafia knows he might have a power to use the next night. | ||
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sicklucker
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