Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible.
I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked.
Yolo.
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible. I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked. Yolo. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:49 sicklucker wrote: Actually mafia knows when dandred dies the kill presents probably gone. So ya ritoky could totally do this as mafia unfortunately. ... Not going to say this again but i am... Ritoky claimed before damd died. | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:50 rsoultin wrote: No, if I'm being completely honest, I fully believe that you never opened it. Unless of course you are an idiot, which is possible. I believe you claimed to open it, and will pass it on during the day phase, then claim that you were roleblocked. Yolo. i will accept your apology after the game when you are shown to be wrong. | ||
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Clearly our D1 strategy is not working. I'm putting in effort to CHANGE MY PLAY. Filter Dive yourself. Tell me you don't think you are scummy??? I saw Alakaslam read me scum. I saw a couple others say I'm worthless. I Filter dove myself and holy hell, I sure made things easy. D1 Tubesock is SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. I would have lynched myself. Now, continue your debate on scummy defenses and not reevaluate your focus on what actually matters. If you think talking to someone who is trying to add in points that are listed in the scummy side of play in the freaking TL Mafia guide (meta reading, nitpicking, fluff, spamming etc) and you allow that to base your decisions, Nice already lost. Lynch me now so I don't have to wait around till mafia NK's me. D1 consisted of almost nothing but meta reads and I feels. SHOCKING a Nice died. Let's focus on behavior. Don't agree, you better wagon the fuck out of me. Too lazy to READ for my votes??? Ok, I'll make it easy. ##Vote: The_Templar ##Vote: Sicklucker ##Vote: GlowingBear ##Vote: KelsierSC When my 5th show's you'll know. I already mentioned by name these 4. My last night post had the top three. Kelsier I have said was Scum for a bit. I even asked GlowingBear about it. He didn't respond to me. Huh. Want to talk about someone not on this list? Or if I fucking care if there is 5 or 6 or 19 Mafia?? Who the fuck cares?? Step up. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
You should be flattered that I'm not dismissing you as one, actually. | ||
ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote: On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote: On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote: No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote: Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo. Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push. Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes. @FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all. The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb. The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight. there's no guarantee they have a rb in the first place, do you know for certain they have one? even if that is the case that means that is no rb on our cop/doc/vigi which is a net positive anyway imo. you didn't even read my reasoning. i can tell. | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:57 sicklucker wrote: So ritoky I assumed you opened it? Is this true? If not you can just pass it off and we can pretend this is all a bad dream. i opened my present, i have an ability to use tonight. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:54 Tubesock wrote: To All of you who are Actually Nice: We lost 6 people. Clearly our D1 strategy is not working. I'm putting in effort to CHANGE MY PLAY. Filter Dive yourself. Tell me you don't think you are scummy??? I saw Alakaslam read me scum. I saw a couple others say I'm worthless. I Filter dove myself and holy hell, I sure made things easy. D1 Tubesock is SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. I would have lynched myself. Now, continue your debate on scummy defenses and not reevaluate your focus on what actually matters. If you think talking to someone who is trying to add in points that are listed in the scummy side of play in the freaking TL Mafia guide (meta reading, nitpicking, fluff, spamming etc) and you allow that to base your decisions, Nice already lost. Lynch me now so I don't have to wait around till mafia NK's me. D1 consisted of almost nothing but meta reads and I feels. SHOCKING a Nice died. Let's focus on behavior. Don't agree, you better wagon the fuck out of me. Too lazy to READ for my votes??? Ok, I'll make it easy. ##Vote: The_Templar ##Vote: Sicklucker ##Vote: GlowingBear ##Vote: KelsierSC When my 5th show's you'll know. I already mentioned by name these 4. My last night post had the top three. Kelsier I have said was Scum for a bit. I even asked GlowingBear about it. He didn't respond to me. Huh. Want to talk about someone not on this list? Or if I fucking care if there is 5 or 6 or 19 Mafia?? Who the fuck cares?? Step up. Dude, you're obnoxious. Talk about what you want to talk about. You got reads? Make them. You have questions? Ask. This just makes me want to start ignoring you on principle. If you're scum, that's great. Proceed. But if you're town you're the one who needs to shape up. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:55 ritoky wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 12:49 The_Templar wrote: On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote: On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote: On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote: On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote: No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all. my case is completely reasonable. That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure. Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you. I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first. Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present. Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote? This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer: On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote: Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo. Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push. Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes. @FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all. The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either: Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto. you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb. The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight. there's no guarantee they have a rb in the first place, do you know for certain they have one? even if that is the case that means that is no rb on our cop/doc/vigi which is a net positive anyway imo. you didn't even read my reasoning. i can tell. Ehh, fair enough. I do not know whether they have a RB, but they could also just kill you with one of their likely multiple KP. If they do RB, they'd rather RB a confirmed shot instead of someone who might be a blue. | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:55 rsoultin wrote: Lol, if I am wrong I will not apologize for calling you an idiot. You should be flattered that I'm not dismissing you as one, actually. Take notes people. rsoultin, you know if you are town. Say there are 3 people in this hypothetical game. Fred, you and Velma. Fred comes at you with "well you claimed this our last game or you did this or that." and since there are 3 people left it's 2 towns versus 1 mafia. Why would you respond? He has NOTHING. If he did, you'd be cased. If you think you need to respond how should you? A) By "You should be flattered" or "Hey, you towned Velma yesterday, Velma AFK'd/did something scummy, why didn't you scum him?" And Fred responds, "well I really like Velma." With 3 people in this hypothetical game, do you lynch Fred or Velma? Why are you giving creedance to people who's sole reads are consistent of "in last game he..." or "well, he soft claimed and last game he did this". So, do this. Start a few pages in after the pushing of threads. Then disregard EVERY POST with a scummy explanation. See those who have real arguments. Read them. Judge them. See who is right on D1 and everyones relationships and "setups" are stupid obvious. I will say again, Alakaslam was the ONLY one to be 100% correct. All of us doubted something or were 100% wrong. Then read his posts and find out where he tried to say something. There were like literally only 2 posts he offered up that had any meaning to the lynch. Very easy. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
##vote Ritoky The fact that slam didn't express doubt when he said 27nb was not scum only means he did not express doubt. He either did not tell people he had any doubts, was arrogant enough to think he was 100% right, or he was 100% right because he already knows who is and isn't scum this game. Sorry, Tube. I know you are trying, and I do agree on the meta-reads (if you've been reading my posts and others about me you know that). But no doubt =/= town necessarily. Some would argue it's even more of a mafia trait. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On December 12 2014 10:31 Tubesock wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 09:59 Alakaslam wrote: Ok I see tube sock now Tube mah man you see not with the eyes of Chupazi to know that I am the king of the hitleric uncanny knowledge; for though I cannot see scum, indeed the town is illuminated to me as each alignment. Indeed it is slower as town but it develops like film If you are not Alakaslam, do not bother to read this, you can not comprehend it. You are the savage down below. Show nested quote + On December 09 2014 08:45 Alakaslam wrote: Better than food and alcohol is speed (not te drug) Exceeding 200 MPH and messing with gravity, making dirt and rubber play nice and creating clouds from thin air off your wingtips via speed and phase change causing the ignorant to rail about conspiracies Yes It is merely happenstance this post spoke to me. I read this and immediately labelled you a Gucci Pilot. Worthless, talentless and garbage. Later you scummed me, Rsoultin or perhaps Ritoky who really cares, and LightningStrike. You told him, you ASKED him to step up, to elevate or he will never understand. You scummed him but Niced him. There is a difference. I see that. It's not nulltown, null, or iffy. There is only Nice, Naughty and Scum. Nothing else. I knew then I was the savage in the trees looking at the iron bird in the sky. I went back and filter dove you. I LOVE speed, I know it. 200 MPH??? That my friend is slow, it's rare you see a bird with "phase changes" that only go 200MPH. I know of none that can and I am Proffessional. I then saw the dirt and rubber. Ah, it is not asphalt and rubber, it is merely 200 which may seem fast. I thought I could play your game. Dropped a Go West reference, a Lear reference, an ALPA reference. If you don't know these it tells me you are not Professional, but you are amateur but we are NICE. I am disqualified from flying. I would appreciate not being reminded of this. Really. I am disqualified by my pocketbook, food allergies, and physique. I have enjoyed airline rides as a child, went up in a significant jet at an airshow. Spent 10 years of my life trying. Call me Gucci pilot but I can still drive and will drive fast. Maybe not 200, maybe not 100 on dirt, but this is what I enjoy and what I wish I could do. Stuff your negative disdain and play mafia. I make the best of my situation, you thank god for yours damn it. How to get back in this game really. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
But shit. | ||
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Also going to Belgium today so will be on later. | ||
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 13:38 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 10:31 Tubesock wrote: On December 12 2014 09:59 Alakaslam wrote: Ok I see tube sock now Tube mah man you see not with the eyes of Chupazi to know that I am the king of the hitleric uncanny knowledge; for though I cannot see scum, indeed the town is illuminated to me as each alignment. Indeed it is slower as town but it develops like film If you are not Alakaslam, do not bother to read this, you can not comprehend it. You are the savage down below. On December 09 2014 08:45 Alakaslam wrote: Better than food and alcohol is speed (not te drug) Exceeding 200 MPH and messing with gravity, making dirt and rubber play nice and creating clouds from thin air off your wingtips via speed and phase change causing the ignorant to rail about conspiracies Yes It is merely happenstance this post spoke to me. I read this and immediately labelled you a Gucci Pilot. Worthless, talentless and garbage. Later you scummed me, Rsoultin or perhaps Ritoky who really cares, and LightningStrike. You told him, you ASKED him to step up, to elevate or he will never understand. You scummed him but Niced him. There is a difference. I see that. It's not nulltown, null, or iffy. There is only Nice, Naughty and Scum. Nothing else. I knew then I was the savage in the trees looking at the iron bird in the sky. I went back and filter dove you. I LOVE speed, I know it. 200 MPH??? That my friend is slow, it's rare you see a bird with "phase changes" that only go 200MPH. I know of none that can and I am Proffessional. I then saw the dirt and rubber. Ah, it is not asphalt and rubber, it is merely 200 which may seem fast. I thought I could play your game. Dropped a Go West reference, a Lear reference, an ALPA reference. If you don't know these it tells me you are not Professional, but you are amateur but we are NICE. I am disqualified from flying. I would appreciate not being reminded of this. Really. I am disqualified by my pocketbook, food allergies, and physique. I have enjoyed airline rides as a child, went up in a significant jet at an airshow. Spent 10 years of my life trying. Call me Gucci pilot but I can still drive and will drive fast. Maybe not 200, maybe not 100 on dirt, but this is what I enjoy and what I wish I could do. Stuff your negative disdain and play mafia. I make the best of my situation, you thank god for yours damn it. How to get back in this game really. I'm sorry. It wasn't clear enough. My initial read of your flying post and your first posts were the same. WRONG. But, to verify my thoughts and my reads in the game I saw an easy way to do it. After I read this post I picked it apart to see if it's telling. It was very telling. It told me you are not a jet pilot, you would be a private or general aviation pilot. One who does it for the love not the $. So many airline pilots hate flying, they like the lifestyle, the partying, the easy girls. They dress up in their fancy shoes and fancy coat while struting along with that stupid hat. All they actually do is read the paper, twist some knobs, type in some buttons and talk to air traffic. Nowadays, the airlines all fly themselves. It's horrific and who deserve my disdain and they are the ones that are worthless etc. You didn't respond with any indication of what Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), or Going West (aviator speak for dying) which told me that you were not a Gucci Pilot. I thought you were a general aviation pilot, but I'm happy enough to know we both share an equal love of flying and speed. I don't know your pain yet, but I will. The time will come when I can no longer keep my medical and won't be able to pay the fines for flying anyway. I'm truly sorry. Back to the game. | ||
ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
It's not helping anybody and this game has already thrown me for a loop. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you guys stop posting ridiculous shit now? It's not helping anybody and this game has already thrown me for a loop. Yo, OWS. Comments, thoughts, reads, anything productive? You keep on saying you don't know what you're doing, apparently not realizing that almost every town here probably has no clue. Give it a whirl, will you? | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 12 2014 07:21 froggynoddy wrote: Show nested quote + On December 12 2014 03:21 LoneMeow wrote: On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote: kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts Not a bad list of players to look into. froggynoddy On December 10 2014 06:15 froggynoddy wrote: Templar really bugs me as (despite the excellent fluff), more than anyone he appears to be contributing without actually contributing. He's literally just writing about other people's reads. He did say he was busy for the first 24 hours so I guess I'll wait to see his contributions in the second half of Day 1. On December 11 2014 04:47 froggynoddy wrote: I will vote Templar (as my vote doesn't seem likely to swing things towards or away from NB) as I feel he is my marginally scummier read than NB but will keep an eye on the thread until the deadline. ##Vote: The_Templar Despite saying he wanted to wait and see there's no new analysis at all - almost like he had already decided he wanted to call The_Templar scum and didn't really care too much about why. I also find the excuses about not voting 27ninjabunnies suspect. Would consider lynching. ObiWanShinobi On December 11 2014 03:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: @kita: I don't really feel particularly strongly about bunnies either way. I think Koshi really hit a nail on the head when he asked if we could produce a towncase on her, and I really don't feel like I can make one. I don't feel like any of the arguments levied against her make her mafia and I like where my vote is right now. But if nb dies...Meh. That's fine I guess. After making multiple posts about how Xatalos is scum this apathy about the leading wagon does not sit well with me. There's a distinct lack of care about who gets lynched that I get from him. He started the alternate wagon on Xatalos but never made a real case to convince others to join. On watch list. Fecalfeast Still on the list, although I get a slightly townie gut feeling from his posts after lynch. I'm sorry why are you giving reads at night?? Am happy to answer any concerns you may have but during the day please. As I said, might be circumstantial, but it's a bit convenient that he now doesn't have to concern himself with LM...and he went out of his way to put it off until the day phase to respond. | ||
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