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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 12 2014 03:17 GMT
#1781
On December 12 2014 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
The_Templar is the only one making any sense right now and hes sheeping me. Im really scared of all of you.

That's usually a bad sign >.>
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 03:18 GMT
#1782
Nobody is discrediting you. You are being outright pig headed. You are ignoring any and all reasons to vote someone scummy because you think your logic is correct when you haven't equated for the very real chance that ritoky is mafia. Which would be super bad. Stick to scum hunting not role speculation.

Nobody is ignoring your tube thing either. I keep bringing it up and you just keep not responding to it at all. Rasp was talking about tube, you and templar are too. That's literally all of us that are around.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 03:20 GMT
#1783
There's literally nothing more to say other than he might have slipped and didn't respond to it properly really either.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 12 2014 03:20 GMT
#1784
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 03:22 GMT
#1785
On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.


my case is completely reasonable.


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.


Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.

Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?

This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:

On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 12 2014 03:23 GMT
#1786
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

because thats how the game works? You kill the person you think is the scummiest.
What happens if he says roleblocked or some shit. Same shit different day. pushing this issue back isnt gonna help anyone.

Can you seriously tell me that you think there is better than a 50% chance to lynch anyone else in the game?

I dont actually think ritoky is scum but you know, answer the questions.
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 03:23 GMT
#1787
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
December 12 2014 03:23 GMT
#1788
is ritoky still sore about that hearthstone game?

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore

Let it go, let it go
Turn away and try reading someone else
I don't care
what you're going to say
Let the ritoky rage on.
The HF never bothered me anyway


ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 03:25 GMT
#1789
On December 12 2014 12:23 liancourt wrote:
is ritoky still sore about that hearthstone game?

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore

Let it go, let it go
Turn away and try reading someone else
I don't care
what you're going to say
Let the ritoky rage on.
The HF never bothered me anyway




no spoiler? must be important post
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 12 2014 03:27 GMT
#1790
On December 12 2014 11:42 The_Templar wrote:

Sassy. Answer the damn question.


In your first three naughty or nice lists. Tell me HOW you changed the reads. I'll even buy the bullshit "RNG" landing on your buddy there. He responds with "Oh oh make it Christmassy", now you can notClaim Santa write a beautiful cheerful and fluffy post. I mean you WERE just humoring KeslierSC, right? This I can forgive, as you do need to push the thread. Fish for information.

What does KelsierSC do...Hmmm. He says "WOW beautiful post!!! 100% TOWN MAN IDGAF!" Tell me as NICE that this response is Nice? Why why oh why oh why? Slam read you Naughty. He likely new it immediately. how much attention did he give you? Not much. You sold out your pretty little naughty buddy too. He saw you Null after a big "Oooh, I'm totally going to stay ##Vote: KelsierSC till he PROVES me Nice."

Your ##Vote: KelsierSC sure lasted a longtime. He even fished for Scrooge for you for a convenient short term.

And yet, if the lazy don't check the time stamp when KelsierSC rescinded his "trap" and cmpare it to when Templar posts another long beautiful naughty or nice list and funnily enough lists KelsierSC as 1 of the 3 longtime Nice then Naughty really deserves to win.

Defend this. Tell the NICE I'm wrong.

Good luck on your next test. It is FINALS season you know.


And for you people not reading my last several posts. You better start. Focus on what matters. All this, "well so and so was this in a game and so that is my bullshit stupid wasteful read." You make it easy to lynch Ninjabunnies. If you don't understand what I say here, you are not putting in any effort. Don't be lazy. Meta reads are only barely useful when you have NOTHING IN THE CURRENT GAME.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 03:27 GMT
#1791
On December 12 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.


i mean i know you're just gonna say wifom to this, but there's 0 way i yolo open a present with a 1/3 chance of killing myself as mafia when i have crap tons of kp.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
December 12 2014 03:30 GMT
#1792
I have no idea what's going on in this game.

Literally none.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 03:32 GMT
#1793
Tube I'm absolutely going to be lazy if I want to be. If you have something useful to say then say it in a way that isn't slam speak. In a way that doesn't switch conventional terms into terms like nice/naughty. You want to know why nobody reads slam? It's because people are traditionally lazy and can't be bothered to decipher multiple things.

It's your job to convince us of things you find, not find it yourseld and tell us to not be lazy and do the work. You also never responded to the criticisms about the 5 mafia post.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 12 2014 03:37 GMT
#1794
Tubesock, you crazy.
I said that reading me as town after those santa fluff posts was bad unless you had reasoning. I saw NB was worse than Kelsier so I switched to her.

And for you people not reading my last several posts. You better start. Focus on what matters. All this, "well so and so was this in a game and so that is my bullshit stupid wasteful read." You make it easy to lynch Ninjabunnies. If you don't understand what I say here, you are not putting in any effort. Don't be lazy. Meta reads are only barely useful when you have NOTHING IN THE CURRENT GAME.

"Read my post because it matters. Only this game matters. NB was an easy lynch to you. Put in effort. No meta please."

Sounds like me in my first game where I was mafia.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 12 2014 03:38 GMT
#1795
On December 12 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

because thats how the game works? You kill the person you think is the scummiest.
What happens if he says roleblocked or some shit. Same shit different day. pushing this issue back isnt gonna help anyone.

Can you seriously tell me that you think there is better than a 50% chance to lynch anyone else in the game?

I dont actually think ritoky is scum but you know, answer the questions.



m saying its great if ritoky is mafia. Hes never getting out of this hole if hes mafia. Its like a 1 for 1 trade. I think it will become abundantly clear if hes mafia and if hes not the pros he can bring us outweigh the con. Keeping him alive directly lowers mafias kp, or raises ares.

"Opening a gift cannot be roleblocked. However if the gift has an action that can be acted upon the next night (2 out of 3 do) then roleblocking that night will cancel the action, and it is lost forever."

Well I did some research that sucks why did you claim mannnn. If they have a blocker at least we waste it, but this kind of owns any chance of ritoky being useful to town. Kill him if you think hes mafia IDK anymore. But in the chance they dont have a blocker were wasting a really good tool.

Wasted so many of my posts on this garbage.

I dont think there is alot of mafia motivation to make this claim so early in the day with little pressure on him .I think hes just a town who could have lost us the game ala kush.

Tubes is totally mafia over 50% hes just going ham and did the first mafia slip i have ever believed.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 12 2014 03:42 GMT
#1796
On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.


my case is completely reasonable.


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.


Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.

Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?

This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.



The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either:

Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC

Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA

Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA

Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role

And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 12 2014 03:45 GMT
#1797
On December 12 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.


i mean i know you're just gonna say wifom to this, but there's 0 way i yolo open a present with a 1/3 chance of killing myself as mafia when i have crap tons of kp.


No I can agree to this. I think mafia just hangs on to the presents till later and certainly dont tell people they have them and are expected to use. Im leaning more town on you now but youve made a horrible mistake as either alignment so its hard
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 03:48 GMT
#1798
On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.


my case is completely reasonable.


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.


Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.

Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?

This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:

On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.



The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either:

Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC

Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA

Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA

Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role

And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.


you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 12 2014 03:49 GMT
#1799
Actually mafia knows when dandred dies the kill presents probably gone. So ya ritoky could totally do this as mafia unfortunately.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
December 12 2014 03:49 GMT
#1800
On December 12 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:
On December 12 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:59 Holyflare wrote:
No it doesn't sound terrible. He said something that looks like tmi and got called on it and instead of responding sensibly has gone all insane. He also gave reads in the most cryptic way possible. It's annoying so I don't blame you at all.


my case is completely reasonable.


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.


Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.

Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?

This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:

On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.



The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either:

Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC

Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA

Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA

Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role

And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.


you're looking at the play from the perspective of me claiming after i opened it, which is not the case, not me claiming before i opened it and it potentially killing me, that's why you think it is so dumb.

The point is that, since you're not dead, if you're town mafia knows they can RB you tonight.
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