TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 90

On December 12 2014 12:12 Holyflare wrote:
No that's dumb because you don't include the part where he could be mafia AND GIVE THEM AN EXTRA KP OR A CHANCE TO SNIPE ROLES.

I'd agree if he looked towny. He doesn't at all.

On December 12 2014 12:13 rsoultin wrote:


That was in response to me, not you, pretty sure.

Your case is not reasonable. Also, even if it was, I ignore meta reads to a fault, so...find something else or go home, at least if you want me to convince to vote on HF with you.

I'm leaning toward voting you, actually. Scum or idiot...scum I want to get rid of, idiot I can do without anyway. -_- But I want to see some more absentee players enter this conversation first.

On December 11 2014 13:57 rsoultin wrote:
Are we actually calling the case against 27nb strong? She played poorly, sure, but people jumped on that train before half of the players had even posted one time. It shows a peculiar sort of tunnel vision, imo.

Simply put, Xatalos' defense of his reads on 27nb was not adequate for me. I asked for a simple thing, to show me why he thought that bunnies was so much more scummy than anyone else in the thread. His strongest read (at least to my eyes) was against OWS, and most of his reads were about the people voting him. He spent most of his time trying to refute points that Vivax made against him which I didn't agree with in the first place...so obviously I'm not going to care if he makes the same arguments I more or less made for him when Vivax first started that push.

Tube made a good point, though. I didn't catch why those last two last-minute votes.

@FF, dude, you posted that without the strikethroughs. I verified that it was right in the vote thread, but that post up there doesn't prove your point at all.

On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

On December 12 2014 12:20 sicklucker wrote:


That would be even better. We would hit a for sure mafia tomorrow(him) and hopefully one today! We should set it up so he has to prove himself if he lives the night. If we vote him now its like a 50/50 in my mind or worse. Why not wait till the odds are better?

On December 12 2014 12:23 liancourt wrote:
is ritoky still sore about that hearthstone game?

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore

Let it go, let it go
Turn away and try reading someone else
I don't care
what you're going to say
Let the ritoky rage on.
The HF never bothered me anyway

On December 12 2014 11:42 The_Templar wrote:

Sassy. Answer the damn question.

On December 12 2014 12:23 Holyflare wrote:


How is it even better wtf? "oh i shot this guy cz he looked scummy, sorry he ended up town guys!" could come from either alignment. If he says he has a role check tomorrow and we've mislynched today then that's also pretty much lylo too??

Play the game dude. Stop this crap. Judge him on his play and not his present opening ability otherwise you won't improve at this game.

On December 12 2014 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

because thats how the game works? You kill the person you think is the scummiest.
What happens if he says roleblocked or some shit. Same shit different day. pushing this issue back isnt gonna help anyone.

Can you seriously tell me that you think there is better than a 50% chance to lynch anyone else in the game?

I dont actually think ritoky is scum but you know, answer the questions.

On December 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:


Scum or idiot, while giving no examples or either and still ignoring my reasons for claiming opening the present.

Here's a better line of thought for you. Your top scum read was on Xata last phase because his read on 27NB made absolutely 0 sense in your eyes. In that read of Xata you pretty much say you're reading 27NB as town and at the very least you imply it. If you read her that much as town, then why did you do basically nothing to try to move the vote?

This is pretty much the largest defense of her/counterpush you offer:

On December 12 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:


i mean i know you're just gonna say wifom to this, but there's 0 way i yolo open a present with a 1/3 chance of killing myself as mafia when i have crap tons of kp.

On December 12 2014 12:42 rsoultin wrote:


The logic is simple, Ritoky. You either:

Claimed when you decided to open the present (thus eliminating the possibility of passing it during day phase) and risked being 1.killed (yolo) 2.RBd by mafia 3.killed by mafia (which if you weren't killed will happen Night 2 unless we're all reading the rules wrong and the kill present delays a night) - Thus IDIOTIC

Or, claimed when you decided to open the present and risked being 1.killed but nothing else because you already know that mafia won't do anything to you - Thus MAFIA

Or, claimed but you never did anything with it, but you want to give people a reason not to lynch you - Thus MAFIA

Or, you're randomly claiming it in a bid to get mafia to kill or rb you instead of anyone else - Thus NOT a power role

And as for why I didn't defend 27nb strongly, I did tell people to lay off her and HTS, and did encourage people to make other reads. I did not go all gungho on it because she was a NULL read to me. If you guys try to lynch one of my TOWN reads, you will see me defend them with a lot more gusto.