• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:38
CET 12:38
KST 20:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview11Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win1RSL Season 4 announced for March-April5Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) KSL Week 85 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Let's Get Creative–Video Gam…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1579 users

TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 82

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 80 81 82 83 84 265 Next
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22165 Posts
December 11 2014 23:40 GMT
#1621
I've looked at the dead guys filters and I think I'll just sheep onto their scumreads, namely

ritoky, FF, Oats for kita
Obi, froggy and FF for lone
I think ritoky for Koshi
Kush got killed by Marley and played horribly.

Gonna evaluate them individually.

If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 23:40 GMT
#1622
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 11 2014 23:41 GMT
#1623
On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill


???? forget about me?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 11 2014 23:43 GMT
#1624
Why on earth would anyone ever kill you when the entire game has you on some kind of scum list? You're either mafia or a great mislynch (probably mafia) so either way you wouldn't get killed.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22165 Posts
December 11 2014 23:44 GMT
#1625
Ritoky what about your present.

Also I'd like you to answer to kita's points post-his-death. I'll try to carry on what the dead guys couldn't.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 11 2014 23:51 GMT
#1626
ritoky you should probably fill us in on the wonders of your present since if we dont kill you mafia sure will.
Its possible someone could have killed with the present last night but I dont think that is the case since I know I sent one to dandred. But I dont think that is the case. I think one present is in mafias hands.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 11 2014 23:54 GMT
#1627
On December 12 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote:
I'm incredibly disappointed with the vigi if we do because he shot absolutely nobody that was a good shot. Not one of ff, ritoky etc died even though like 4 vets called them mafia -.-

Not sure what i think of the present opening tbh. It would have been great to give them to all the scummy people and forced them to open them/use them to our will :/

2 biggest proponents of a ff lynch also died which is cool, especially as lm was in the shadows while doing it so didn't look like a high priority kill


I thought the pros outweigh the cons and we should give all presents to vanilla towns like I did. Apparently no one else agreed as scummy people like ritoky ended up with them and the most obvious vt who wants to take a bullet for the team didnt get one.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 11 2014 23:58 GMT
#1628
Who was masoned with kita?

Time to claim.
I'm adorable.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 11 2014 23:59 GMT
#1629
I agree what you saying sicklucker because it makes perfect sense that 1 of the presents is in mafia hands and most of us had rito either on our null or our scum lists so it possible rito is scum at this point. The pros will outweigh the cons if we lynch him today.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 12 2014 00:00 GMT
#1630
On December 12 2014 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:
If anyone interested in comparing this game of Oatsmaster to his last town game here is his filter from the game that just ended
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster
I know this seem like a random post but earlier in the thread I said I would filter dive Oatsmaster and got him null possible town and wanted to see anyone else can compare that game to this game and see if they are similar in anyway.


Lightning: Definitely more involved in Student Mafia IV (the game just ended, so can talk more on that now) than he was this game and he rolled VT in that one. That game, I recall him and Bats going at it, I think he was at it with Vivax earlier in this game, but most of the posts appear anti-Vivax until the Xatalos case which I believe he said he didn't agree with anyhow. Thing is, I'm sure Oats has played more than 2 games, so do you have any normal games to work with from a meta standpoint?

Going to read all the filters of all who died if I can get any new insight, although some of the ones already cited I had scumlisted anyhow.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 12 2014 00:02 GMT
#1631
On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?

Time to claim.


Like I thought that was ritokys role because only another mason would give this man a present..

Why should they claim tho... Like do you want mafia to kill poor santa?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
December 12 2014 00:02 GMT
#1632
On December 12 2014 08:44 Vivax wrote:
Ritoky what about your present.

Also I'd like you to answer to kita's points post-his-death. I'll try to carry on what the dead guys couldn't.


On December 12 2014 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
ritoky
  • I feel like ritoky is picking on things that could be constructed as being scummy, but don't necessarily make a player mafia.
  • His first attack on LS is a relatively long post about him having two town reads that happen to be voting for each other. That kind of stuff happens, I don't see why it makes him scummy. He calls out the sicklucker as being a lie, but I think that comes down to semantics more than something he is maliciously doing. Attacking LS for the meta reads is okay, but doesn't seem as convincing to me as is did to him. He then drops his scum read on LS after he gives a town read on ritoky. I don't see why that should change his mind, it seems more like an excuse to move over to fecal.
  • His initial case on fecal seems to come down to fecal agreeing with ritoky on a subject matter and then giving a Null read on ritoky. This doesn't matter all that much in my view. He exaggerates the defense in passing made by fecal as giving a free pass for the day.
  • With bunnies really dominating discussion on day one, he mostly ignores her. I know he claims to struggle reading her, but there were enough things he could still comment about.
  • I know that listing both Fecal and ritoky as scum reads is a bit strange considering their interactions with each other. I haven't decided if one being scum makes the other town or if there is potentially some scum to scum interactions going on here.



1) I attacked LS because he made pure meta reads and they were crap. This post lacks the context of that being in the very first hours of the game. On day 1 I am a pretty hard tunneler on people who do things I think are strange or make excessively bad reads. I felt his reads were dumpster level at the time so I went on them. He came back and started answering people's questions in a town way. Someone asked me how it was town and I told them the same thing I will tell you, he responded directly and only giving what he was asked. That is very townie to me, especially for a new player. Normally mafia try to change the topic or they add too many qualifiers or they give way more than was asked. He didn't, so I started reading him town.

2) First I need to clean this up, since the start of the game up until the night phase I had only called two people mafia: LS and ff. Yet the moment I get a town read, come out of the tunnel on LS and switch to ff; people call me bloodthirsty. I am just moving to my next scum read and pressuring. Kita says that my initial read doesn't matter to him, well I would say that he doesn't do a good job of finding scum on D1 then. I think that when someone believes a read enough to sheep it word for word the very lowest level of trust they should have in that person is leaning town. He had a null read on me after basically quoting my read 5 posts earlier, and then tried to dumb tell it away by saying he didn't read my post. Not town at all.

3) I admittedly have a shit read on bunnies, and I would agree with him that I was mostly outside of that conversation. I did however say: "There's a nearly 0 amount of people defending bunnies, so she is probably town" about 12 hrs into the day. And I did clarify that the stuff that....I don't remember who, can go look...was pushing about her vote on me and it having no real reason was a crap part of the case since it was primarily predicated on our friendship/relationship in mafia.

4) I still want to lynch ff.

What about my present? Do you want me to claim which one I opened? If so, why?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 12 2014 00:05 GMT
#1633
On December 12 2014 08:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Who shoots Damdred/LM over Vivax/Holyflare?


Mafia think:

Damdred
      1. Calls The_Templar out on RNG but scums we should not follow. I don't know how to check the post ID but the numbers seems to work. Lands KeslierSC. Yes, follow this naughty train.
       2. Challanges GrowingBear. GrowingBear swipes him away with meta attacks. The scum are ok with this.
       3. You believe that he wouldn't NK/lynch Sicklucker or KelsierSC?? Easy to scum, but very few claimed to naughty.

LoneMeow
      1. Would lynch Sicklucker.
      2. Challenges The_Templar.
      3. I've seen 3 posts that suggested we should have bailed from the wagon. One by someone who is in a iron bird above, another who was attacked and a weak off hours wagon developed, and LoneMeow who was elavating.

Vivax and Holy Flare - They didn't start the wagon, but naughty sexy play SCAMFUSED and it took very little steering to help them lead the way and mafia was able to stand back. They did the work and had the muscle. Vivax with a little steerage introduced more scamfusion. Scum is afraid to Nice Holy Flare not for his current game actions but his reputation. SCUM.

There are only 2 Nice in this game. There is no elevator, we need to STEP THE FUCK UP.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 12 2014 00:06 GMT
#1634
On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:


If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.


Fucking SCUM. READ HIS POSTS.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22165 Posts
December 12 2014 00:07 GMT
#1635
On December 12 2014 09:06 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote:


If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam.


Fucking SCUM. READ HIS POSTS.


No, thank you, I have better means of wasting my time. What's so special in there?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 12 2014 00:09 GMT
#1636
On December 12 2014 09:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 07:29 LightningStrike wrote:
If anyone interested in comparing this game of Oatsmaster to his last town game here is his filter from the game that just ended
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=Oatsmaster
I know this seem like a random post but earlier in the thread I said I would filter dive Oatsmaster and got him null possible town and wanted to see anyone else can compare that game to this game and see if they are similar in anyway.


Lightning: Definitely more involved in Student Mafia IV (the game just ended, so can talk more on that now) than he was this game and he rolled VT in that one. That game, I recall him and Bats going at it, I think he was at it with Vivax earlier in this game, but most of the posts appear anti-Vivax until the Xatalos case which I believe he said he didn't agree with anyhow. Thing is, I'm sure Oats has played more than 2 games, so do you have any normal games to work with from a meta standpoint?

Going to read all the filters of all who died if I can get any new insight, although some of the ones already cited I had scumlisted anyhow.

I will look into his town normal games and give you his filter from those town games so we get a bigger size to compare and contrast.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 12 2014 00:11 GMT
#1637
I still don't see very much reason to lynch Fecalfeast. Yes, his play hasn't been amazing yet, and I disagree with many of his reads, but I can still see where he is coming from. I would rather give him some more time before looking back at that lynch.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 00:13 GMT
#1638
On December 12 2014 09:11 Trfel wrote:
I still don't see very much reason to lynch Fecalfeast. Yes, his play hasn't been amazing yet, and I disagree with many of his reads, but I can still see where he is coming from. I would rather give him some more time before looking back at that lynch.


Did you read what lonemeow/kita/me wrote about him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 12 2014 00:15 GMT
#1639
I don't even know what your post says tube?? Can you rephrase like... Everything?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 12 2014 00:18 GMT
#1640
On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 08:20 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:12 ritoky wrote:
On December 12 2014 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm gonna read this thread now. And I'm going to hammer mafai.

Btw, lynch ritoky. I gave him the present. But he claimed that he got the present at night, not caring for being roleblocked. Like, lol.


????? I got it at the change of phase, and claimed when I decided I was gonna open it????

what are you smoking? you should know that presents change hands at the end of day phase, it is both in the rules and i confirmed it with the mod lol.


The ability you earn can be roleblocked. I just thought you could use it night one instead of using it night 2.

It doesn't matter anyway, you just revealed to mafia that you have a role now, which makes no sense for a townie.


and opening something unknown that has a 1 in 3 chance to kill you (esp when you have a crap ton of kp) doesn't make much sense as mafia. i can wifom too broski



It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives.
I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town.

I can never see town doing that.


On December 12 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote:
Shit this is horrible I can confirm I sent dandred a present and thats probably why hes dead..


On December 12 2014 08:23 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 08:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Sigh kush really was scrooge aftrall. Well I guess since scrooge is dead my role is useless T_T


Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious.


Naughty boys. Still reading Sicklucker Nice?

On December 10 2014 01:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Lian, SL is town. Let him alone.



Prev 1 80 81 82 83 84 265 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech136
Rex 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5486
Calm 4662
Bisu 1793
Flash 1400
Horang2 1159
Shuttle 873
GuemChi 771
Hyuk 650
EffOrt 299
Stork 281
[ Show more ]
actioN 275
firebathero 260
BeSt 236
Mini 177
hero 149
Pusan 147
Aegong 147
Zeus 127
Sharp 113
ggaemo 110
ZerO 102
Snow 100
Soulkey 92
PianO 91
ToSsGirL 68
Mong 64
Yoon 43
Backho 42
Light 42
Killer 41
Free 41
IntoTheRainbow 40
Barracks 39
Sea.KH 27
Shinee 22
zelot 21
Hm[arnc] 16
soO 15
yabsab 15
Sacsri 14
Noble 14
910 13
Terrorterran 11
Shine 9
scan(afreeca) 9
SilentControl 9
ivOry 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
HiyA 7
Dota 2
singsing2399
XaKoH 494
XcaliburYe119
Fuzer 109
NeuroSwarm92
League of Legends
JimRising 401
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1391
zeus1031
shoxiejesuss1006
byalli618
allub292
edward87
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1139
B2W.Neo1033
crisheroes187
Pyrionflax171
Sick110
KnowMe42
ZerO(Twitch)11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick804
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota241
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
22m
PiGosaur Cup
13h 22m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Replay Cast
1d 12h
The PondCast
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RongYI Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-02
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.