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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:29 GMT
#2823
On December 14 2014 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
I feel like this makes me town as heck, though, right? KSC was on me all game


No, but nice try though.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:36 GMT
#2826
On December 14 2014 09:46 rsoultin wrote:
Here is the real question:

Is Oats ever around at this time? I don't seem to remember him being around ever. I think his schedule doesn't line up with EoD very well...so where his vote is probably means very little if he's not around to change it.


Oats lives in Singapore. End of Day for him is 7am. I am at 9am, he didn't move his vote because I wouldn't respond to him. Well, I did, but then left and he was frustrated because I couldn't answer some of his questions. Oats was very much on the right track, but I didn't feel I could drop the I'm onto HolyFlare bomb 12 hours before EoD.

12 hours is a lot of prepare time. 3.5 isn't much time to figure out what I'm up to, and how to counter it, then implement. If you are mafia that is.

Sorry Oats. I know you were talking to me. I just didn't think I could pull this off with that much notice to mafia.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:42 GMT
#2830
On December 14 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:
On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

what?

HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow


He isn't a good vigi shot. Period.


Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow.


No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all.
Let's move on to the next topic.


Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here?


I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want


...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts."


Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them.
But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum.
Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this?

He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first


His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare

Which means:
1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town
2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred
3) HF is also mafia.


And if true, adds Town cred to Siclucker and Templar. Who are also Mafia.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:45 GMT
#2833
On December 14 2014 12:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, if you think Kelsier was bussed, you have to start looking who pushed his lynch the most, so he looks good. It's simply as that.

It would put triforce on a bad position.

I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up.

Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town.

You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction.


Sigh. you frustrate me.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:52 GMT
#2836
On December 14 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker HolyFlare froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up


Fixed it for you.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 05:59 GMT
#2838
On December 14 2014 14:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why.


Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets.


I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case.


Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment.

Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP


No actually. I read it as a confirmation that I'm on the right track and a threat to mafia.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 14 2014 06:04 GMT
#2841
On December 14 2014 15:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 14:59 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 14:33 rsoultin wrote:
On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:
On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why.


Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets.


I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case.


Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment.

Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP


No actually. I read it as a confirmation that I'm on the right track and a threat to mafia.

Is there any situation that would suggest to you that you are not correct?


Yes. Depends on the flips of my suspects.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 02:15 GMT
#3104
I need to rereread things people have said just before EoD2 and what you guys were talking about last night and all this talk today. I don't really understand any of this.

Anyway, I am here, I am caught up, but I'm going to the pool to sip my vodka and hope it's a celebration of my Bears winning tomorrow night and not drowning my sorrows.

I'll leave you with something I know a little bit about. Aviation porn:

[spoiler]I am an L382 pilot. My colleagues and I almost always say we are C130 pilots but if we are talking to miliary people who are not pilots we say we are L100 pilots. L382's, C130's, and L100's are all from the same factory and assembly lines. The only difference is the paperwork. The FAA loves mountains of paper. While I am current and qualified in a L382 and L100, if I jumped into a C130, or if a C130 pilot jumped into a L382 pilot without Differences Training we will lose our licenses. The only difference in the training is the title at the top of the paperwork. L382 or C130. The same thing can be said about why pilots need to know the differences in the words "Approved" and "Accepted" as our licenses depend on it. In checklists and flight manuals the words "Warning", "Caution", and "Note" have direct consequences for our lives.

I digress. Here is my friend landing in a really beautiful but savage place:

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 02:15 GMT
#3105
I need to rereread things people have said just before EoD2 and what you guys were talking about last night and all this talk today. I don't really understand any of this.

Anyway, I am here, I am caught up, but I'm going to the pool to sip my vodka and hope it's a celebration of my Bears winning tomorrow night and not drowning my sorrows.

I'll leave you with something I know a little bit about. Aviation porn:

+ Show Spoiler +
I am an L382 pilot. My colleagues and I almost always say we are C130 pilots but if we are talking to miliary people who are not pilots we say we are L100 pilots. L382's, C130's, and L100's are all from the same factory and assembly lines. The only difference is the paperwork. The FAA loves mountains of paper. While I am current and qualified in a L382 and L100, if I jumped into a C130, or if a C130 pilot jumped into a L382 pilot without Differences Training we will lose our licenses. The only difference in the training is the title at the top of the paperwork. L382 or C130. The same thing can be said about why pilots need to know the differences in the words "Approved" and "Accepted" as our licenses depend on it. In checklists and flight manuals the words "Warning", "Caution", and "Note" have direct consequences for our lives.

I digress. Here is my friend landing in a really beautiful but savage place:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nne55zWUvZE

Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 02:17 GMT
#3106
oh and I like this ##Vote: HolyFlare train.

Sorry, someday I'll figure out this format thing.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 07:28 GMT
#3237
Well, this is kinda clever.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:11 GMT
#3263
I'd like to ask a question.

Given my tinfoil if you look at this:

On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote:
The End of Counts

KelsierSC (8): Alakaslam, liancourt, Tubesock, Tubesock, rsoultin, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Alakaslam, Trfel, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, Half the Sky, rsoultin, ritoky, Xatalos, ObiwanShinobi
liancourt (0): GlowingBear
GlowingBear (0): Tubesock, rsoultin, Holyflare
Tubesock (2): sicklucker, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, froggynoddy, Xatalos, Half the Sky,LightningStrike
ritoky (0): Holyflare, rsoultin, Lightning Strike, Half the Sky
froggynoddy (0): Oatsmaster
Half the Sky (0): batsnacks
Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast, batsnacks, Tubesock, Alakaslam, Tubesock, Fecalfeast, The_Templar, sicklucker, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Trfel
Fecalfeast (2): Alakaslam, Vivax, Holyflare, KelsierSC, Vivax, Xatalos, Half the Sky, rsoultin, Alakaslam, Tubesock
Oatsmaster (0): Vivax
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
sicklucker (0): Tubesock
Trfel (1): rsoultin

KelsierSC was lynched!


Is it a pretty smart play to leave 2 mafia's on me, and then jump to KelsierSC enough to keep him dying and insuring Holyflare lives? This also gives some town cred to 2 other mafias, they can jump off Holyflare too if they really had to.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:14 GMT
#3267
On December 15 2014 17:11 sicklucker wrote:
Why cant we kill froggy/oats? They are like so mafia its not even funny we can still learn alot if hf flips town and steamroll this game


Why are you not keeping your Holyflare vote?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:15 GMT
#3268
No, LS is "claimed" town. there is a difference.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:30 GMT
#3271
I fully believe that all this present talk is smoke and mirrors to explain away mafia actions. It's a great screen.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:34 GMT
#3272
I'm biased on Bats, only because I think HF is mafia. If HF flips town, then bats is certainly in the running.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 08:34 GMT
#3273
Sorry, if HF flips town, then bat is in the running for mafia
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 22:03 GMT
#3374
On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday.


My birthday is December 15th. HF saw my icon change, I hope others did too. Just for the record, I will never open a present, I will pass it on. Should I die in the night, it will not be due to a death present.

There wasn't much reason to post for me as the wagon was on Holyflare. It needs to go back there or to one of my other suspects. In case you forgot:

Holyflare
Sicklucker
KelsierSC
The_Templar
Froggynoddy
Lightningstrike


My reasoning hasn't changed. If anything my thoughts have been reinforced.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 22:19 GMT
#3384
On December 16 2014 07:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 07:03 Tubesock wrote:
On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday.


My birthday is December 15th. HF saw my icon change, I hope others did too. Just for the record, I will never open a present, I will pass it on. Should I die in the night, it will not be due to a death present.

There wasn't much reason to post for me as the wagon was on Holyflare. It needs to go back there or to one of my other suspects. In case you forgot:

Holyflare
Sicklucker
KelsierSC
The_Templar
Froggynoddy
Lightningstrike


My reasoning hasn't changed. If anything my thoughts have been reinforced.

You simply don't claim you got a present until after you use it...


OR mafia claims it for me as I'd be dead from a mafia night kill. Page 160 Sicklucker and Holyflare and talking about Presents making it look like a fight. Holyflare acts frustrated because no one is listening to him and he's the biggest wagon blah blah then randomly says (at the top of page 161) "I sent a present yesterday. Happy birthday."

It's a nothing comment, until after the next night. Someone will mention that they saw my icon change to the happy birthday one, then holyflare can confirm, then you guys can argue about if I opened the present and killed myself.

So, I am going to do my best to disrupt this play. I am going to be perfectly clear and reemphasize that under no condition will I be acknowledging receipt of a present, and I'm also saying under no circumstances will I be opening one. They can not cast doubt by claiming I must have been killed with the death present.

If my 6 are right (OMG SCUMSLIP???) then think about if this is a good play or not. And look at who is involved. Oh, all of them except Templar who is lightly being bussed by Holyflare. Hmmm.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 15 2014 23:40 GMT
#3440
On December 16 2014 08:29 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 08:27 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 16 2014 08:25 The_Templar wrote:
Wait wait wait, so Tubesock is saying that Holyflare, who is town, is giving Tubesock, who is mafia, a present?

Fixed based on the majority thinking of the situation.

I didn't word that very well- I'm seeing it from his perspective here. According to him, Holyflare is mafia who game town a present, which makes very little sense...


I am saying Mafia Holyflare is setting up an excuse to night kill a town by saying it was the death present.

He isn't sending any gift. Gifts can not be verified or confirmed. It's simply smoke and mirrors.
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