TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 5

On December 13 2014 05:31 sicklucker wrote:
If no one claims. Then we know mafia has it because a town would claim. If a mafia fakeclaims that could help us too

On December 13 2014 05:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Templar, thoughts on my brief case on HF.

On December 13 2014 05:28 GlowingBear wrote:
HF doesn't look like he is pushin town agenda, but his own self agenda. This looks much more like mafia holyflare. He points out things that aren't really mafiaish and doesn't seem to try to further identify people's alignment. His pushes aren't for solving the game. They are mostly done just to push, just to make a lynch happen, maybe.

His backtracking on froggy is weird because he kept an absolute stance regarding bunnies, who I just say sounded more null than anything, and froggy is leaning scum.

HF once came to the thread and said that we should look for people outside the NB wagon, which is ridiculous. He wasn't talking about people who WASTED their votes. He was talking about people outside the main wagon. He also said me and ritoky looked the worst. You can see he is doing a timid push on ritoky, but it really doesn't sound like he is trying to figure out his alignment. Weirdly enough, the present claim from ritoky remained unquestioned by HF. MOREOVER, he did not make ANY attempt to figure out my alignment when he said I looked bad at that time.

He is scum.

On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:


I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship.

On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it.

Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh.

I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves.

Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail?

On December 13 2014 12:25 Vivax wrote:
Tentative naughty list, it would be cool if we could lynch one of these baddies today:

- GB for this discrepancy in his case. The froggynoddy suspicion is entirely new and he doesn't look included among his scumspects. Rather fresh scumread stemming from that HF case, still have to look for more stuff thoroughly.

- TheTemplar for not being the ballsy, (scumhuntingly) talkative town templar who always gets townread D1 and mostly NKd N1. Gut based explanation, check for inconsistencies also pending here (yes I'm not going through as many filters thoroughly as I probably should yet, besides we can't lynch all of em today so I think it's fine)

- Fecalfeast for some of the stuff I found in his filter and already mentioned, plus he martyrs at various points, like during N1 and lately when he sort of expressed he doesn't care about the scumreads. But it's not the sort of righteous townie martyr when somebody is genuinely pissed off about people scumreading him or the sort, it's more like the "I don't care about the game"- martyr. Additionally he was in the focus of the night killed guys.

- Trfel for playing extremely subpar to his last game when he's capable of much much more. He doesn't want to stand in the spotlight in this game.

There's probably 5 scum since the formula for scummers is usually amount of players / 5. I don't know why people go on so much about tubesock claiming there's 5 scum being a scumslip. Scumslips are overrated in all the games I've played in save very few exceptions. Overall I find him tedious to read cause he has such a weird way of expressing himself, if I would give him a read it certainly wouldn't be cause of that.

Finding the likely 5th scum pending. Tempted to look into the direction of Oats, soultin, Kelsier for this one.

Remember Sicklucker’s entrance? BRILLIANT. He comes in with the DUMBEST thing ever. He REPEATS his first line and STILL we don’t give him any attention. Can ANY of you think of a more brilliant play to stay under the radar? He was right in our face. This enabled him to hunt for his Scapegoat, and found GlowingBear.

Sicklucker tried to nitpick me and put in more effort to trap me than he has for anyone in the game. I ignored him. Who comes to help him out? Templar. Then I respond and answer the questions. As I notice that more and more people are seeing me, noticing me, and being threatened by me, I knew I was on the right path. I disrupted Mafia. I brought their game to them. Mafia is supposed to disrupt town. Not today. I bet not 1 single town here thought I made any sense. HolyFlare was trying to get me to respond to him so he could engage. But I was focused. I only saw my scum and Alakaslam.

No post of GlowingBear is helpful to town except for his long part 1 post. Why was he the only one to respond to me like that? No one on this kill list has. It’s because GlowingBear didn’t think Sicklucker was a threat. Sicklucker attached himself somewhat subtlety. GlowingBear didn’t think I was a threat either. Not until he was getting run over by HolyFlare and “defended” by Sicklucker. Then he had motivation because there were real teeth on him.

On December 14 2014 05:17 liancourt wrote:
The fact that tube is spewing out scum reads should mean something. Totally bleeding town putting way too much effort to be mafia.

Get on the kel wagon

On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
I
WILL
LYNCH
WHOEVER
DOES
NOT
VOTES
ON
HF

AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY.

On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:


You will switch now.

Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF.

You will switch NOW.

On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.

Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes.

On December 14 2014 06:09 The_Templar wrote:

I would scum hunt 100% of the time as pressured mafia.

On December 14 2014 06:10 Tubesock wrote:
@Templar, I felt GlowingBear was heavily town. Then when he posted that bit in what I thought was a defense of my initial attack and then later HF's push it seemed pretty good. If GlowingBear is town then that would mean 3 reads of mine were totally wrong. But I realized I was looking at Sicklucker like everyone is admitting to right now. That he's a nk later, and no threat. There's no better cover. Then I looked at it like if Sick was very smart.

He was posting a lot around the time HF or GB was. I saw a very smart play developing where you could pin Damdred's death on GB and look even more town. It's far more likely, given you have perfect knowledge of who is town, and can talk amongst yourself.

But people tend to think it's "meta" or some other silly excuse. No, he's playing perfectly. With that perspective it's easy to see who his partners are.

On December 14 2014 06:23 Tubesock wrote:
I'll vote for any of my 6. I went with Slam, because I trust him. I'm just as happy going to HF, or Kels. Hell, people can get back on my wagon. That would lend more credibility to my case. Way more than our bouncing around does.

I listed my mafia list as a order of death preference. That would mean I feel the strongest about Sicklucker and the weakest about LightningStrike.

I've done nothing but push Sicklucker for the last 2 hours. Like CRAZY push.

On December 14 2014 06:38 Tubesock wrote:


He is my 6.5 though. And Kelsier is a MUCH better target.

On December 14 2014 06:41 Tubesock wrote:


Ah, trying to get me to change more vote more? I'm not going to play that game anymore. There can only be two wagons now. It's either me or Kelsier.

On December 14 2014 06:41 Tubesock wrote:


Ah, trying to get me to change more vote more? I'm not going to play that game anymore. There can only be two wagons now. It's either me or Kelsier.

On December 14 2014 06:45 sicklucker wrote:
Bat and templar if we cant get holy lynched make sure we switch to ksc not ff. I think thats the best play

On December 14 2014 06:48 Tubesock wrote:


Really? for the last two hours I SPAMMED about how we are not evaluating Sicklucker properly and you think that's not pushing? It created MASS CHAOS. You can't know if it's from a town perspective or a mafia one until I flip.

You are doubting me? But yet you are not on me? Why are you not attacking anyone else? you're on HF. When have you ever even HINTED he was in your sights. But yet, you are here, questioning me AND VOTING HIM????

On December 14 2014 06:50 Vivax wrote:
Ok, I'm kinda sold on that HF case and GB is so nuts about all of this that it's giving me townie vibes.

##Vote HF