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On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, hts
gonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible
Is this it?
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I'm back. Full schedule plus the bikram yoga class from hell. Never again. Anyhow...
I read the thread - couple points I want to bring up from these last few pages:
On December 13 2014 21:00 Tubesock wrote:
FecalFeast's lynch doesn't fit in my current worldview. Yeah, he's done a lot of scum things but him flipping mafia while great doesn't help me find his mates. Well, to be honest I haven't gone in with the zealousness I did with my 4 disclosed (In case Sicklucker forgot they are: The_Templar, KelsierSC, Sicklucker, GlowingBear). I have a 5th but I need the right person to flip and sadly that isn't Fecal.
Tube, this quote I do not understand. In what universe as town would you not want to take out a scum (be it FF or whoever) or someone you have tapped for doing "scum things"? I know Rasputin has pointed out association reads already, but Tube, if you think someone's going to flip mafia, you should always want to take them out and push them. The information gathering part makes no sense.
On December 13 2014 21:27 Xatalos wrote:
Hm, Froggy. Not looking that good but he did notice Tube's slip so if Tube is scum, Froggy is probably not.
Xatalos, I'm not sure I agree. I actually want to say this is WIFOM. It is possible that because the mistake is or may be so obvious, that Froggy (or any other scum) might also try to bus instead. Not sure if this is sure POE.
Reviewing the cases against Holyflare and GB atm.
Rasputin, I also questioned the logic behind role claiming largely because of the scum KP and couldn't work out a situation in favour of town. GB cited another example where it worked, but was KP/mechanics the same? *shrug*
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GB, I reviewed your part 1. Your Entrance point, fine. I can see where you are coming from.
The second point, I don't really agree with your second part on Froggynoddy from that, and others also said the same thing. I know some of us went back and forth on that before he said "we'll just agree to disagree".
Do you have a second part to this case? I'd like to read it. I just don't feel I should be voting for someone especially when your full evidence isn't here. I'm just not feeling an HF lynch. I'm sorry I'm not.
I've had FF scumlisted for awhile though, and there is plenty of evidence that way.
##unvote
##vote Fecalfeast
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On December 14 2014 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
It is and it isn't and I know why you're voting FF, I just don't see it as a strong case. But neither is my trfel one. With him, it's inactivity and meta (I've only seen him super try-hard before). It's also that he keeps saying he'll post cases/reads and doesn't. That his only read at all was FF, and town of all things. Okay, he can read him town, but why is that his only read? And that he spends more time telling us how lost he is and that we shouldn't lynch him (but would be justified to) than actually playing.
But if that's not enough for you, I can do FF. I just don't want to do one of my townreads...and that is where all the blasted wagons are going right now ><
I'm willing to give Tube the benefit of the doubt now, I don't like a lot of his posts, particularly the frantic pushes. I don't like an SL lynch either, knowing how erratic SL has been. Fecalfeast on the other hand, I read a lot of the points against him, and this is probably where I'm going to rest it. LoneMeow's point against him was pretty solid IMO.
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On December 14 2014 06:00 sicklucker wrote:
I might switch to hf because hes scary and we might not get another chance.
I'm checking GB's part 2 right now, but does anything in particular jump out at you with HF being scary? Was it the whole Ritoky/present thing you were trying to explain earlier? I know we were in that discussion. I'm all ears to different perspectives, but aside I had developed on FF (from all the previous things said) I was going to stick with.
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On December 14 2014 06:06 batsnacks wrote:
I'd like to add that I had this idea before the game started that due to post limitations, scum HF would probably post/push as much/as hard as possible at the beginning of each day to exploit that mechanic.
I really hated the ritoky push and I think it is consistent with that theory.
Thoughts anyone?
Basically you're saying that HF is blowing a lot of his post count on his top scum read at the beginning of the day? Didn't he come back at the end of D1 and re-stress 27NB though? I know IRL he's in Belgium, so he cannot do the same thing now, but I was pretty sure he re-pushed bunnies at EoD D1.
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Just finished Trfel's case on Kelsier. I can't find any holes in the damn case. Wow.
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I'm checking Kelsier's filter one more time for the latter arguments that Trfel filtered. But it really is a compelling case otherwise.
Fecal, I'm willing to give you a chance if you can at least answer the issues we had with you, aside from inactivity. If you're town, you need to do some work for the town, because we need all the help we can get right now especially the vets.
I just want to get this right, we really need a scum down.
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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:
His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.
Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.
The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.
Alright, I checked the filter, and crosschecked Kel's final list. I can track the changes or gaps that Trfel is discussing.
I'm sold.
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On December 14 2014 07:47 liancourt wrote:
why did truffels move his vote?
Gut call, apparently.
On December 14 2014 07:41 Trfel wrote:
Switching to Holyflare because of a gut call. It's hard to explain. If someone really wants me to, I can try though.
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Yeah, KSC could hammer HF right now. 4 minutes.
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On December 14 2014 07:57 Trfel wrote:
If KelsierSC changes his vote to Holyflare, it would be a tie, and I believe KelsierSC would still be lynched.
Vivax, at some point I would really appreciate a response to what I mentioned earlier.
Voting:
Voting will be done in a separate voting thread
Plurality Voting; that is, the player with the most votes at deadline will be lynched. ##Vote: marv and ##Unvote
This isn't Student Mafia. BH made it clear, but it doesn't say here. What happens in Palmar games?
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Exhale everyone, exhale. My heart was in my mouth there.
GGs Kelsier, I hope you recover from hospital soon.
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On December 14 2014 08:02 Trfel wrote:
Phwew. I'm so relieved now.
If I could find a way to teleport some Glenfiddich your way, I would. Well done, Trfel, well done.
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On December 14 2014 08:06 sicklucker wrote:
So I was kinda confused that he didnt vote to save himself. But I totally believed his story that he was out of the hospital and on drugs as either alignment so theres that.
One possible theory is that HF and Kelsier are both scum and that Kelsier could have sacrificed himself to preserve a presumably stronger player in the game since they were both the wagons. Again, theoretical.
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On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them.
OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC.
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Everyone, please wait.
On December 15 2014 08:54 sicklucker wrote:
So if obi didnt shoot for whatever reason he screwed us. Like why would he not shoot? I think the only reason is because he was rb which makes ritoky 100% mafia. Can someone more experienced tell me if obi would ever save his shot here? I dont think he would
I think there is one potential alternative to this play. If town have a snowman, and snowman was shot, the snowman can survive a single KP per the rules. So one of these two could have shot a town snowman, second might have been RBed if scum have one. That is possible.
You're a monument of the joy from when you were built. Also, you're made of snow. If you take a gun, and shoot the snow, is the snow dead?
Of course it isn't, it's science...
Because you're made of snow you will survive a single KP. You will however die if you suffer another one. Again, science.
Am I reading this right? Does it matter where the KP comes from?
If I'm incorrect, then I think SL is right.
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On December 15 2014 08:54 sicklucker wrote:
So if obi didnt shoot for whatever reason he screwed us. Like why would he not shoot? I think the only reason is because he was rb which makes ritoky 100% mafia. Can someone more experienced tell me if obi would ever save his shot here? I dont think he would
No, I agree with you, but at first glance, I saw the "100% mafia" comment by SL, which is why I had to check, I just got the impression that he was thinking there was only one scenario. I'm sure there are more than what I mentioned too. No worries.
I agree that Trfel's read on FF more or less vindicates him given his flip.
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GB, you cannot assume what you do not know. There is no way of knowing who OWS shot. He left an indication for D1 which Vivax did trace, but I checked, nothing such exists for D2.
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On December 15 2014 10:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
wtf why are there only 2 kills? Sorry I was actually busy until now, got myself a christmas tree. I'm starting to suspect some of these 'confirmed' towns we have. There's no mass murderer, there can't be unless someone didn't shoot even if there was a snowman or JK save. There is certainly a branch manager because of the disgruntled worker kills.
All I can see is snowman got hit + JK exists and saved someone as well if we are to assert there is a mass murderer.
The branch manager was KSC who was lynched D2. But the BM can shoot only once per night. So someone had to account for the second disgruntled worker kill N1. Probably the faction kill if we assert no MM and Vivax's tracing of OWS to LM (the mason) is correct.
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