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[QUOTE]On December 13 2014 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE]
Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch.
GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold.
Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows.
Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't.
ALPA protects me ssson.
+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
People i won't listen about:
Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush
[QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE]
Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point.
On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role.
I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon.
Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though.
The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE]
[quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold).
I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE]
He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy.
Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end.
Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you.
I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility.
Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch.
I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah.
I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play.
I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep.
"Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing.
You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia.
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On December 13 2014 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote:On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail? There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM. For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association.
You are correct. I'm claiming that Templar and Kelsier are scum with the assumption that the RNG is rigged. Templar even said it would be easy. IF that is true, then my reads are true. If Kelsier flips town, then Templar is just as likely to. IT would likely mean all my reads are wrong.
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EBWOP: uh weird format thing. I fixed the quote to be in the correct spot, to make it easier to when I'm typing. Hmm seems the spoiler thing is messing things up. I don't know how to fix it, or really what the spoilered content is about.
[QUOTE]On December 13 2014 08:20 Tubesock wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 13 2014 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote:
to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE]
Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch.
GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold.
Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows.
Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't.
ALPA protects me ssson.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote:On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse. Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though.
The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point. The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold).
I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)
He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy.
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My response begins here:
Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end.
Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you.
I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility.
Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch.
I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah.
I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play.
I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep.
"Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing.
You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia.
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On December 13 2014 20:17 marvellosity wrote:
Too sleepy to Count
KelsierSC (2): Alakaslam, liancourt, Tubesock
liancourt (0): GlowingBear
GlowingBear (1): Tubesock, rsoultin, Holyflare
Tubesock (6): sicklucker, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, froggynoddy, Xatalos, Half the Sky, LightningStrike
ritoky (1): Holyflare, rsoultin, Lightning Strike, Half the Sky
froggynoddy (1): Oatsmaster
Half the Sky (1): batsnacks
Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast
Fecalfeast (3): Alakaslam, Vivax, Holyflare
Oatsmaster (1): Vivax
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
Currently Tubesock is set to be lynched. 11h43m until deadline.
Vivax gets 2 votes??? In bed with the mods, clearly Mafais.
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GlowingBear. You had a nice post there, but then what happened man?? I'm holding my breath for your 2nd installment. Oh, sorry, too drunk to do it.
FecalFeast's lynch doesn't fit in my current worldview. Yeah, he's done a lot of scum things but him flipping mafia while great doesn't help me find his mates. Well, to be honest I haven't gone in with the zealousness I did with my 4 disclosed (In case Sicklucker forgot they are: The_Templar, KelsierSC, Sicklucker, GlowingBear). I have a 5th but I need the right person to flip and sadly that isn't Fecal.
To me HolyFire's really only drove the NinjaBunny wagon which we all were on and his investigating Ritoky pretty hard. He's hunting at least. Ritoky to me is very town. I read him today a bit and really the only thing I didn't really like is he likes good jokes when talking in the beginning. Yeah, so I have basically nothing on him.
On December 13 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:
Hijole I see you now.
without google I wouldn't know a citation from a jet stream, a Lear from a Cessna.
However I do know what AOPA is
You also post quickly you think it's an irreparable post. Which to me made me think of the Key & Peele Text Confusion skit specifically. I find it hilarious and very applicable to the game of Mafia. I haven't figured out how to embed it so you'll have to google, but it will be the first return.
Is he thinking he DID make an unexplainable error or is he testing and reading me? Haha, it's funny because it's both. You asked me to not remind you about flying so I'm going to spoiler the rest.
+ Show Spoiler +Cessna makes Citations, there are Jetstream aircraft (Jetstream 31), jet streams are often talked about on the weather channel, and a Learjet is a jet like a Cessna Citation but if you're talking small airplanes to the general public they refer to them as Cessna's. They mean the C172, or C206 Stationair, they don't know they also include the $25 million Citation X a sexy sexy and I think still the FASTEST business jet in production. Although the new Gulfstream 650 and 850 are in contention.
I've been a member of AOPA since 1993. I don't read their magazine very often generally just the turbine pilot section or an article on an old antique bird. I gifted my free subscription of Flight Training Magazine to a couple students for a bit. I only really read Aviation Week & Space anymore. Flying, Sport Pilot, Airline, and many of those other magazines tend to repeat themselves so I only skim them at best and haven't opened one in over a decade.
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Am I not being clear I think they are Templar, Sicklucker, Kelsier, and GlowingBear? The rest are murky.
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Oats, are you making fun of me now?
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On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. Do I care? no. Trefel or Froggy is it today. Actually do I prefer trefel? Yes yes i do. ##unvote
##vote Trefel Could you explain why you want to lynch him?
Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy.
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On December 13 2014 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 21:46 Tubesock wrote:On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote:On December 13 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 13 2014 15:38 Vivax wrote:On December 13 2014 15:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is nk analysis even relevant?
Its straight up speculation. Look at how many other reads the dead people have.
Fecal has more posts than like 50% of the game.
Come on Vivax/hf other bad people.
This post looks so mafia to me right now. Do I care? no. Trefel or Froggy is it today. Actually do I prefer trefel? Yes yes i do. ##unvote
##vote Trefel Could you explain why you want to lynch him? Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy. IM NOT 
I read you solid town since I before I went nuclear. I thought you might be trying to tease me with your trfl or Froggy post and thought it was funny. I DO however think that we need to know what both Trfl and Froggy flip, BUT I think we should flip Froggy first.
I think reading this game looking at each individual for scummy play is incorrect. I think it's more finding a strategy as there is a solid case on EVERYONE. The only actual evidence we have is after they die. So, really, town looks for motive while mafia tries to hide.
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I'm not really back, but we need to change some assumptions. Sicklucker is playing absolutely FLAWLESS. GlowingBear is absolutely town but I only say that because of his intro 1 post which made me reevaluate. Everything else of GB's is garbage, he looks very scummy. BUT If you make yourself look at a world with those assumptions then reread page 102. Look at Sickluckers posts. Who is he REALLY defending? His play is flawless. Can you put yourself there? I'm really trying here but I feel alone.
I know they are watching and will be here during EoD. I am near positive I see them all.
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On December 14 2014 03:30 rsoultin wrote:
Pues...
It's not far off from EoD and there are a very small number of people in the thread right now so...if folks think I'm wrong about GB and/or participation stays down like this I think the best of the other names brought forward is probably Trfel.
I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt another day, but to be frank, (pure policy and meta here, bleh) his sheer lack of presence in this thread is by far the most different from what I've seen of his play vice the other lurkers. His reads seemed strange to me, too, as I recall...town can be wrong, but for someone who can be pretty analytical they seem very lacking. I don't think he's talked about anything but not lynching FF...and not being able to keep up with the thread. Similarly to GB, I also see a lot of promises on reads that never get followed through on. Worse than GB actually. He's got less than a 1-page filter, which normally I'd be inclined to ignore, but...that's ridiculous for this game.
By contrast Oats only has 3 pages, but most of his posts you can seem him keeping things on topic, pushing discussion, questioning reads and pointing out logic flaws.
So, if/when it comes time for vote consolidation, I will be changing my vote to Trfel over Tube or FF.
You are sooo close. Look at pages 14-18 and assume everyone is playing PERFECTLY. Is Templar and Kelsier helping lure Ninjabunny to a trap and is the trap Froggy? Who is the first legitimate vote on Ninjabunny?
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On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude...
I think you are 100% town. Although, you are playing terribly. Why'd you let Sicklucker mirror and parrot you? you drop a "this game is easy" and he parrots it TWICE????? You don't see you are a scapegoat????
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On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude...
You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat.
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On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 03:42 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Dude... You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1 Therefore, SL is town
Which reinforces why SL is playing flawlessly. He's too scummy to be scum. You can't even see that he played you. And all of us. What better way to afford scrutiny, when you post such ridiculous stuff?
If you are town, would you have protected Damdred? I wouldn't have. Don't you think there would have been a couple more towny people? You don't see how convenient it is to later say you are responsible for Damdred's death? I mean you've been scummy all game. And continue to be. If I were mafia, I'd come back later and say "Everyone knows you can't possibly know or verify a present kill. It had to be a mafia kill and they were trying to cover it up with scheme and present talk." Guess what? That was you!
I saw it. That's why I listed you in my posts where I went nuts and tried to get Slams attention.
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GlowingBear, tell me what is a smarter play.
TownSicklucker - thinks he has a town on D1 and sends him a gift and CLAIMS he did.
MafiaSicklucker - Claiming to give a towny a gift (knowing who the townies are) and then using a kill shot on them. Then claims "Oh no! He must have opened the present!! Poor suicidal Damdred."
On a Starcraft 2 forum I find it hard to believe there are many stupid people. This isn't Super Mario Brothers, SC2 takes effort. You're saying that Sicklucker is more likely stupid and thus "town"?
REALLY???
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Do you think that Sicklucker didn't know that claiming he is a JOYFUL CHILD and has a gift to GIVE??? Who read that and immediately think he was stupid for not only claiming it but messing it up and not saying A FUCKING ELF????
Yeah, Sicklucker isn't the stupid one folks. We are.
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GLowingBear, why on earth do you think I"m towning you? What triggered it? Take a look at page 102. There is your answer. IT HELPS YOU IMMENSELY. Please.
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Bats, you're sort of on the right track. In this game NO the gifts are CLEARLY RANDOM there are no roles that get gifts to give. I'm saying SICKLUCKER is being VERY smart. He know there are at least 3 things that make is intro scummy. It's so scummy he intro'd TWICE (Hey guys I'm so JOYFUL). I'll repeat that. His first 2 posts in this game were a Joyful Child claim.
Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked.
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EBWOP: mistypes
Bats, you're sort of on the right track. In this game NO the gifts are CLEARLY RANDOM there are no roles that get gifts to give. I'm saying SICKLUCKER is being VERY smart. He knows there are at least 3 things that make his intro scummy. It's so scummy he intro'd TWICE (Hey guys I'm so JOYFUL). I'll repeat that. His first 2 posts in this game were a Joyful Child claim.
Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked.
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It is NOT a coincidence that Sicklucker intro'd the way he did and in the TIMING he did.
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