Russia Today Mini Mafia

On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give.

On November 25 2014 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:


Meh, I'm not risking signing in then.
:/ boring, because I like the players rooster so far

On November 25 2014 04:14 Holyflare wrote:
use more lube
then some more lube
and then even more lube

On November 26 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Holyflare

like my fantasy football one?

On November 26 2014 03:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
probably
onegu was the scummer who ended up living through mylo
we lynched marv on the basis of "well the games going poorly so marv has to be scum"

On November 26 2014 03:35 Sn0_Man wrote:

which is why I hate him for mislynching me at mylo to lose when he knew I was town
although in fairness the other lynch candidate was town as well (yamato i think)

On November 26 2014 03:34 justanothertownie wrote:

I remember. He often tells the story of how he lynched you instead of some other dude that was confirmed scum to him. Sylencia I think.

On November 26 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That was the best day of my mafia life and no better will ever come.

On November 27 2014 08:50 Superbia wrote:


Always.

On November 27 2014 08:56 Holyflare wrote:
more people should be on jat, my case is ironclad

On November 27 2014 10:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch you just to shut you up

On November 27 2014 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jat do you seriously think there is any reason for you to defend yourself?

On November 27 2014 19:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

lol what the.....?

On November 27 2014 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Marv i'll be on a coffee break in 30min.
Until then explain my mafia motivation for my vote.
Same goes for jat.

On November 27 2014 20:17 Holyflare wrote:
Then they reach a conclusion. If what he thought I was doing was scummy then he'd be saying that and pointing out what else in my filter is scummy. If he thought what I was saying was to drive discussion then he would have been talking about the discussion it made. As it stands he made no conclusion and no insightful comments with seemingly a limited day due to work.

On November 27 2014 20:21 Holyflare wrote:
Yes well if he's mafia you've already shut down 1 avenue of it then haven't you

On November 27 2014 20:45 GlowingBear wrote:


Or you can push me, inquire me, instead of filing.

My body is ready

On November 27 2014 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Noow why didn't you, marv, consider this since you were in the game -- with about 20hours of IM's with me?

On November 27 2014 20:54 GlowingBear wrote:


Well, you don't like my obi read, but I also quoted a post from geript and said that I find Elvis weird. I wonder why aren't you inquiring that since now you find me scummy weird

On November 27 2014 21:04 GlowingBear wrote:




I'm not talking about my post. I want you to tell me what other things in the thread you want to talk about or what other reads you have now.

On November 27 2014 21:05 justanothertownie wrote:

That's a pretty big thing to misremember.

On November 27 2014 21:11 justanothertownie wrote:

So what you are saying is that I shouldn't be bothered about rayn lying about something that I cannot disprove in the thread to push me as scummy? Whatever. I will be back later.

On November 27 2014 21:17 Holyflare wrote:
It's not asinine and you're not questioning gb about his reads. You have a guy that is confirmed lying to you and rather than jump all over that shit and call him confirmed mafia for spreading these blatant lies you'd rather take gb's joke post that you know is a joke post and try and make it look like some fake slip first. It doesn't make much sense to me

On November 27 2014 21:58 GlowingBear wrote:


Like here. No one really inquired Elvis but he continues to joke like this.

Superbia, on the other hand, answered with a joke post an inquire from obi. It's not that he looked like he was intentionally cluttering the thread.

On November 27 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll dig my pm's when i am home, and the thread. I am 99% surecthat's not what happwned (like jat said), unless i correctly fabricated a scumread on him in that game -- as town.

Hey maev, you never answered me. Why was my vote scummy?

On November 27 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll dig my pm's when i am home, and the thread. I am 99% surecthat's not what happwned (like jat said), unless i correctly fabricated a scumread on him in that game -- as town.

Hey maev, you never answered me. Why was my vote scummy?

On November 28 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Superbia is town and anyone trying to lynch him will die in fire.

On November 28 2014 00:54 justanothertownie wrote:

Is there something scummy? I just read it btw.

On November 28 2014 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:

Makes fun of rayn for bad memory. Doesn't remember his own games.

On November 28 2014 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:

Good idea. Would be even better if your target was there to respond to the pressure though.

On November 28 2014 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:

Thats sounds like you have quite a few reads you could share.

On November 28 2014 01:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I'm here, marvy. Sadly it won't be me to relieve your boredom. Don't feel like posting much/don't have much useful to say and see no reason to move my vote so I'm content to lurk.

On November 28 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

You can lynch me for not playing atm, sure, but you and I both know your vote won't be on me at the end of the day regardless.

On November 28 2014 02:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not at all.
I have your voting patterns down pretty solid, friend-o.

On November 28 2014 02:50 justanothertownie wrote:

Didn't he get lynched for being shit in a recent game and flipped mafia? I mean I didn't really read that game but it seemed Kush and him just gave up without a fight.

On November 28 2014 02:55 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, I see what you are talking about... don't really know if it qualifies as #greatread though.

On January 17 2014 04:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Like, if I had to snap-lynch somebody right now it would probably actually be grack, but thats mostly because I prefer lurker lynches day 1.

On November 28 2014 06:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'll do whatever I want to you and you'll like it.

On November 28 2014 06:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
because
i wanna call spb scummy but thats just knee-jerk
elvis is everything gross

if i had real reasons i'd be doing thigns in the thread

On November 28 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Could you tell me why? Also, why Obi?

On November 28 2014 06:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah but ur indicating that ppl r coming off hte list, which does kinda indicate firm townreading

On November 28 2014 06:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ugh.

Now people are going to use me being lazy as an excuse to scumread me.

How annoying.

On November 28 2014 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like I said, it won't be by the end of the day either way.
I have something kinda funny I thought of earlier about you/this but I can't really flesh it out till later

On November 28 2014 07:24 Holyflare wrote:


it's not exactly hard to do nothing as mafia and he'd be super demotivated if his scum team is afk/doing nothing

On November 28 2014 08:29 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah? I think he is on the list for now. I only remember FFL2 and the werewolf game and superbias reads in those games where extremely superficial and non commital according to my memory.

On November 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote:


I don't even think you genuinely believe this. I did look at people who voted on me first, mainly because I know my alignment and I thought I had been pretty damn townie. I initially read you scummy because of your meta-read on me, which I know for a fact to be a 100% false. That being said, my town play for d1 is not to discover everyone's alignments. I look for standout scummy things and push on those, you stood out, I'm pushing on you.

On November 28 2014 09:40 Superbia wrote:


Roll town, lol. I did not think that there was specifically something I had done that was townie, it was more like I felt like my townieness would show because I was town. If that makes sense.

On November 28 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

See this is where things kinda get fun.

I have a little game going in my head. It's called: "What will bruise townmarv's ego more?"

Will you end up leaving your vote on me and being responsible for a mislynch (and then who knows, maybe another one tomorrow and almost singlehandedly costing town a game?)
Or will you end up moving your vote, thus allowing me to be right about you and your patterns?

I tingle with anticipation.

On November 28 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

Pls son. As if that makes me scum.

On November 28 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:

Except we've already established in past games that whereas sometimes you have elements of my style/meta right, on the whole you can't lynch/catch me as scum. There are already a whole bunch of meta points people have mentioned regarding me in this game that are blatantly wrong but I honestly am FAR too lazy to go back and pick them apart because not only are people unlikely to listen, they're not strong enough points to do much of anything with anyway.

Technically I should even be posting at all right now as per my earlier 'rule' since Palmar/Elvisdamdred/Rayn all have fewer posts than I do, but whatever. I don't plan on doing much more tonight I don't think.

On November 28 2014 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

It's not an argument, I'm just saying on the whole your meta reads of me, as per the above where you say I ramble on and whatnot, are pretty shit since that's all you do regarding me and you haven't gotten me lynched as scum despite them.
Never said I can't be mafia. I probably could be, but your poor excuse of a reason (because let's be honest, it is only an excuse at this point) isn't justification enough.

BUT, because you are The Great Marv, I acknowledge that you fully have the power to push a lynch through based on dick all since no one will look into much that you have to say. I was just wondering if you're ok shouldering the responsibility this time around or if you're going to quit as town slowly heads into the toilet.

On November 28 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Well, I'm not impressed: you've played with a bunch of lol players.
If it was dota, on the other hand... You would stick into playing.

WoS, your demotivation is starting to sound forced. You discussing with marv isn't taking us nowhere. Can you ignore him for a moment?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on HF. I kinda don't know how do I read him

On November 28 2014 11:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that's the read I have on all this discussion. But, by the way you were discussing, this idea is likely.

On November 28 2014 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know i do that too.

I agree on gb. I think he is scum but because his observation on elvis slot makes me hesitate. Ugh.. i think one of them is mafia and the other one town because they are my top scumreads besides jat.

Everyone else looks more or less town, except for Palmar who needs to die if he doesn't play.

On November 28 2014 15:09 geript wrote:

You don't have a problem with him not playing like at all? Are you serious? Fuck this I'm going to bed. In the least watch drew back or something.

On November 28 2014 15:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

But he didn't do it like you said he did, which is the point. He did it subtly and behind the scenes, pushing things here and there and holding up discussions.

Nowhere does he nitpick points or 'no lube ram his cock into the game,' throughout the entirety of Cultured. There is no reason for you to feel this confident about HF's alignment because based on what you're saying you can't read him, and once again you have absolutely no supporting evidence to back up what you've been saying. You can throw percentages at me all you'd like but until someone can actually show me a really fucking good, ironclad reason why HF is town, he absolutely NEEDS to be the lynch for today.

On November 28 2014 18:27 justanothertownie wrote:

There is nothing like this in that post but nice try.

On November 28 2014 18:40 Holyflare wrote:


I'm at a crossroads with gb where I think everything he is posting is genuinely bad and I think he IS mafia but then I'm reminded of the past few games where I think the exact same things and he's town. I'd lean much more mafia ready than usual though, especially with the people I'm town reading now.

On November 28 2014 20:25 justanothertownie wrote:

I think I can absolutely scumread him if I don't think he has done anything that he couldn't have done as scum afterwards. And I don't remember a retardo push like that from him.

On November 28 2014 20:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Which is why you shouldn't townread HF.

On November 28 2014 21:36 Palmar wrote:

Was that the one where you ragequit because you're not man enough to play without flips?

On November 28 2014 21:52 geript wrote:

Doesn't everything you wrote about JAT apply to Sn0? Why ambivalent then?

On November 28 2014 21:55 Palmar wrote:

You mad I think your buddy is mafia?

On November 28 2014 02:08 Elvis! wrote:
Rayn because in the past that's exactly what I did and people disliked it. So this time I gave a weak read they won't complain about.

On November 28 2014 22:27 geript wrote:
Like HF told me how to read Damdred but it doesn't work for me. His desire to move the thread forward in a meaningful way is how I've been reading him. And I don't really see that this game. I still think the Sn0 lynch is better. I've never seen Sn0 be this unhelpful and jerkfacey as town. Like he can be frustrating but I've always seen him at least try as town when he's spent the time to read.

On November 28 2014 22:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

No why would Elvis mention that specifically about appeasing people.

And as far as risk taking goes, I don't think said players are more likely to get lynched as the game goes on, despite the fact that theoretically they should be easier to catch /lynch. I get the apprehension but once the players who are ACTUALLY able to lynch them are removed, not body has the balls left to do it.

High risk high reward.

On November 28 2014 22:37 geript wrote:

I'd normally agree with you but this is like way out of bounds for him and I don't think the game I played with him as mafia is relevant anymore. Idk. Like it really bothers me that so many people are not-townreading him but no one really wants to lynch him. Except maybe like me and Palmer and Palmer is being palmer b

On November 28 2014 22:48 geript wrote:

Yes and no. Usually as mafia he's a more obstinant and oppositional iirc.

On November 28 2014 23:14 geript wrote:

Can't on phone. My question though is where are the mafia then. Assume he's lynchbait town, why hasn't he been pushed more heavily then? Like if he's town then he's like the mafia wet dream this game. Everyone is willing to call him scummy, but I'm not seeing people have any actual desire to lynch him except for me. It's more just passive agreement. If he's town then where are the mafia pushing because I'm not seeing it.

On November 29 2014 00:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, I am home now. No idea where to begin rereading. Any suggestions?

On November 29 2014 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, the difference between Elvis posting this game and his towngames in his newbie and campus mafia is astounding. It is not only the post length. In his towngames he gets down to business immediately and is being serious, humble and to the point.
This game there is nothing but trolling/posting pictures/throwing votes around. Very possible that the slot is mafia. Will read damdred next.

GB calling that out is good but I will reserve judgement until I read his filter.

On November 29 2014 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:

You also posted a 58 pages filter game here. I think that, for that pre game stuff, I believe you would go for the active mafia after these things. Your filter argument is utter shit and it makes me believe even more that you're scum as you know you're very capable to keep activity high as mafia.

On November 29 2014 00:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv thinks my early townread on obi is weird, yet he also townread him.



You may not agree with the motives I bring to townread someone, but when you've got the same impression from the same player, it's nitpicking to say the person is giving weird read. Calling me scummy for that looks scummy to me.

On November 29 2014 00:51 GlowingBear wrote:


Of course you can call that out. Reading me scum for it? Hardly.

On November 29 2014 00:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

ughhhhh I hate this argument but it's pretty true, especially for marv.
Marv do you think a case like that comes from scum?

On November 29 2014 00:52 justanothertownie wrote:
GB, I don't think marv had a scumread on rayn anymore when the whole pm incident happened. And you really have to differentiate between players that can post much as either alignment like HF, me or players that generally post way more as town than as mafia - which they obviously don't do willingly (as mafia) - like marv.

On November 29 2014 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still really hate 'wishy washy' as an argument for scum though. It's not a good one.

Is it funny that I think GB's case makes you look even better?

On November 29 2014 00:55 geript wrote:
here's. Here's Sn0's last game. Like its pretty much how I remember him when he plays. Like not even similar to this game.

On November 29 2014 00:52 justanothertownie wrote:
GB, I don't think marv had a scumread on rayn anymore when the whole pm incident happened. And you really have to differentiate between players that can post much as either alignment like HF, me or players that generally post way more as town than as mafia - which they obviously don't do willingly (as mafia) - like marv.

On November 29 2014 00:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
This game needs more people who are easy to read.
GB what was your response to people accusing you of playing incredibly differently again? That you like to change your meta or something?

On November 29 2014 00:59 justanothertownie wrote:

I know that too.

On November 29 2014 01:02 justanothertownie wrote:
And no, I also don't want to know.

On November 29 2014 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also it would be nice to hear from some of the more suspicious people some stuff that's not about their 'main' focus or defense.

For that reason I kinda like GB's terrible case. The sole issue I have preventing from me thinking he is town is I have been known to write out large terrible cases to get people off my back, assuming I'm going to have to fight with people over them (and then they just ignore the case and never do). This is clearly not what is happening with GB here because no one is ignoring his terrible case. Point being, was this a scum attempt to deflect by going balls out and attacking marv?

I'm ignoring the apparent suicid-ey-ness of it because it's not a great point against decent players (and possibly because marv's ego doesn't need any more food lol). I thik it's interesting that he mentioned marv as an apparent scumread ages ago, left it alone for a while (where it had a chance to die when it became clear that wasn't going to go anywhere) and then he cam back to it in full force. I think he truly does believe the things he has posted (even though he self-professed to 'play like he's town' when scum).

On November 29 2014 01:03 geript wrote:

Can't on phone and can't properly find and filter 5+ games on phone. Like I really don't get it Marv; usually it feels like you listen to me more than you have this game. I'll give you that there are a bunch of question marks this game but idk. Just feels different from usual.

On November 29 2014 01:07 GlowingBear wrote:
Funny though marv, you've only picked the easily defendable parts of my case, but didn't explain the bolded.

Being wishy washy on one post is suspicious but not mafiaish.
Being passive throughout the game is.

By the way I'm rescinding my town read on obi since he is playing just like he played when he was mafia

On November 29 2014 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

See now I want to hear more about GB's Obi read because I keep giving Obi a free pass and he keeps doing stuff that annoys me.

On November 29 2014 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:




The shittiest part is he could totally be town too, and if(when?) this happens we likely learn nothing.

On November 29 2014 01:32 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, but he hasn't made his trademark awful list post he always does as mafia. No superficial and noncommital reads like I said earlier.

On November 29 2014 01:32 geript wrote:

There have been at least half a dozen games that you've ended up wheeling a read from a point I made. Hell the last game we played I smurfed and you sheeped my read a bit after my identity was revealed.

On November 29 2014 01:32 geript wrote:

There have been at least half a dozen games that you've ended up wheeling a read from a point I made. Hell the last game we played I smurfed and you sheeped my read a bit after my identity was revealed.

On November 29 2014 01:38 geript wrote:

What game? I don't really remember that.

On November 29 2014 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
im here
its day 1 and
erry1 is scum
or something

On November 29 2014 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:

u do realize that if I was scum i'd have the low hanging fruit you tried to shove into my hands and made something with it right?

On November 29 2014 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:
Maybe I should add rayn to the list. If he doesn't show up soon I probably will. Ignoring his awful attack on me he produced 2 really weird and unexplained reads on superbia and damdred.

On November 29 2014 01:57 GlowingBear wrote:


Marv, I've just got to work. Won't be too active.

Btw I'd rather lynch the scummy lurker rather than you day1. The case stays there, though.

Answering your question, yes, you're very capable. But that's the problem marv. You're so capable of finding scum that, if you keep mislynching, you'll be lynched in later days. It's exactly how it happens with hapa.

The better option is to not compromise yourself, which I believe it's what you're doing.

On November 29 2014 02:06 justanothertownie wrote:
So Mr. Ihavea100%readonrayn, what is your take on his alignment then? Should I refrain from adding him to the list?

On November 29 2014 02:07 geript wrote:
@Rayn talk to me about Palmer.
Marv just a lurker vote?

On November 29 2014 02:12 geript wrote:

You had a thought about 3 people earlier. Do you remember what it was?