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On November 26 2014 20:00 Holyflare wrote: killing you if no scum have died just means people don't know how to play the actual game :p It's you who don't understand. | ||
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7 5 1 2 11 4 8 3 1 10 4 21 4 5 4 1 (18) 71 3 3 This is a list of the index of the first post by scum in the last 20 minis. I skipped games with less than 2 mafia, and the one with the brackets is holyflare's game where people just posted popcorn after the game started until he further reminded people that the game had actually started (mafia was first popcorn poster, but didn't post again until 18th). So this guy: On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it. Is super smart. Another interesting tidbit is that this first post by mafia is almost always some kind of a fluffy comment. I didn't write down the posts (I should have) but it was pretty obvious that during the first... 20? posts of the game, mafia posts just to post. So I'm literally only going to do that today. just read the first 20 posts or so and find the mafia in there. | ||
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On November 28 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote: you should try playing offsite, Wave. I really enjoyed my last game offsite, this one much less so. Was that the one where you ragequit because you're not man enough to play without flips? | ||
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I'm on post 1 now. | ||
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Post 1: On November 27 2014 08:00 Superbia wrote: What's up comrades. Complete null tell. However, given that there is no way Superbia would know that some asshole would actually go back through his previous games and check how often he posts first in the game (I looked at 7 games I think, including this one. 3 times he wast the first poster, all town), there is also very little chance him being first is forced. So there is no evidence this is anything but a natural post from Superbia. Post 2: On November 27 2014 08:03 Sn0_Man wrote: would putin really be tsar vladimir the first? kewl ps i'm pretty sure we aren't communist, especially if putin is our tsar, so the term comrades doesn't apply I don't know. This one has all the structure of a post mafia would make early in the game. It has nothing to do with the game at hand and does sorta feel like "look guys, this is my entry right here!". Also, the fact he wrote "kewl" seems off. I need to do some digging into whether this is a natural phrase for Sn0_Man to use, or if it's a forced "hey look how chill and relaxed I am guys!". Worst post so far Post 3: On November 27 2014 08:04 Sn0_Man wrote: although the maf are "imperialists" so you have that Unimportant really, an edit to his first post. However if anything it makes him like 1% less likely to be mafia because it shows he actually wanted to get the content of his first post correct. Still not sure. Post 4: On November 27 2014 08:07 geript wrote: Was that supposed to be a joke Sn0? This is the hardest post to figure out so far. It feels like a pretty aggressive post for so early in the game. Maybe it's just me but I basically imagine geript being super snarky when he wrote that, which is sort of a strange attitude for this early in the game. I haven't really read on so I don't know where geript was going with this, but still. Then again, forcing things in the early game can also be a town move. Post 5: Random vote based on a maybe slip. I need to check how Superbia followed this up. | ||
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On November 28 2014 21:54 marvellosity wrote: so Palmar slips down into mafia territory. Excellent news. You mad I think your buddy is mafia? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=kewl&t=c&f=-1&u=Sn0_Man&gb=date&d= He has however multiple times said "cool" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=cool&t=c&f=-1&u=Sn0_Man&gb=date&d= ##Vote Sn0_Man | ||
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I'm out for tonight, I have a work-christmas-dinner-getdrunk-thing. Just in case I actually get lynched. I haven't read much of the game so not too many reads I can give you. I actually feel fairly okay with thinking Superbia is town based on what I posted already. Don't disregard that evidence just because you think it's sorta dumb or weak. Idk about marv, I kinda actually think I understand why he thinks I'm mafia, which makes him probably town. I've spent very little time on the game and he probably wants me to do other stuff, like read his posts. Then again, I'm sort of an easy target at the moment. If marv is town, rayn is probably town too, in fact, it's extremely likely that most of marv's reads are correct, no matter his own alignment, because he's usually not blatantly wrong when he's mafia, just wrong enough not to lynch his entire team. See you guys. Pls no lynch. | ||
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On November 29 2014 20:05 justanothertownie wrote: Yes. This quite sad especially because rayn was probably town. WoS gets on the shitlist for egging him on and "analyzing" the lynch without putting any reasonable thought into it. Same goes for Sentinel who already was on the shit list before. At least I made my vote count instead of fucking off way before deadline and coming back during the night to shit on the people actually trying to figure out the game. Palmar, I have a suggestion. Why don't you just start playing the game and thereby improve the whole atmosphere? I kinda want to, but hungover and headache. I'll try to do something tonight. | ||
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On November 30 2014 05:28 marvellosity wrote: i'd probably like to read a couple of his mafia games to firm that up, but i cba right now if anyone else wants to read a couple of his mafia games and see if he does the unjustified anger at something similar, feel free This guy. Just reading THIS game is asking enough. Reading other games I don't even. | ||
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No, not really Bits of it though. | ||
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On November 30 2014 07:54 justanothertownie wrote: You promised to do stuff tonight. Just sayin. I said I'd try! Who cares. maybe mafia shoots me tonight so I don't have to worry about it. It's happened before. | ||
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Also, I was literally just about to drop a mega analysis on why rayn was mafia, so I'm claiming credit for that. This is 100% true. | ||
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On November 27 2014 19:24 marvellosity wrote: Further, if rayn thinks there's no need for you to defend yourself, jat, then the logical conclusion is that he believes there's nothing to defend against, in which case his vote shouldn't be on you. N0rty. This one here, more specifically. | ||
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And your filter is like 16 pages, so it's easier you just explain to me why you did this. | ||
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On November 30 2014 13:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The odds of happening twice in a row are amazingly slim lol | ||
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On November 30 2014 23:28 justanothertownie wrote: Are you doing stuff now or do we have to wagon you? I don't know. maybe you should wagon me just in case. It's still weekend and I'm not really finding the time to filterdive. I'm always shit on weekends. | ||
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bro pls. | ||
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On December 01 2014 12:37 Sn0_Man wrote: while i hardly find it unlikely that obi's scum, i think lynching damdred makes more sense today ##Vote: Damdred Does this mean you actually think Damdred is more likely to be mafia? Also, what happened to trying to lynch me like you did yesterday? Lack of public support? | ||
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On December 01 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I called Palmar out and you jackasses said that it was scummy because I was supposedly not doing anything either. To clarify, you're perfectly okay with not chasing a suspicion of yours simply because you don't want to be called scummy?. | ||
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I am going to ignore the big three. There is literally no way I'm going to read through that, my time is much better spent doing what is manageable. Also, posting a lot sort of makes them less likely to be mafia, and if we have a non-shit cop, marv or HF should be prime targets for checks anyway. It is somewhat worrying that marv was wrong on rayn but I cba. I'm really counting on a cop to get him lynched if we need to do that. On November 27 2014 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: There are many individual posts, and most of them are one-linery. I want to lynch you to reduce the number of one-liners I have to read. This feels like sentinel going way more out on a limb than he should as mafia. He also made quite a few posts on day 1 about how he doesn't care about day 1, or has no idea what to do. He blatantly doesn't care what Holyflare thinks of him, so unless this is some scum on scum action which seems highly unlikely, it's very likely that sentinel is town. On November 28 2014 13:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Like this line: Well I have an issue because I'm the subject and lynching me is a violation of the Geneva Convention, but also, because it's a lynch based on the absence of play rather than outright scummy play. I haven't been trying to blend in, I made bad jokes and then went to celebrate the twin sins of gluttony (today) and greed (tomorrow) Also, this defense is correct (he did very much not try to blend in) and it actually makes Damdred look worse for accusing Sentinel of being not memorable. I'm still on the edge on this Damdred lynch, but only because so many people seem to agree to it. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:24 marvellosity wrote: Terrible paragraph, as a cop check is totally wasted on me So at what point do we lynch you? Like take yourself out of the game for a second. You have an enormously long filter that I'm sure less than half the players in the game have actually read. In your own opinion, what metric should we use to determine if you're mafia or not? | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:45 marvellosity wrote: no, it isn't? I've already explained how over the course of my 60-70 games here, I find it literally impossible to post at the volume I've posted in this game as mafia, and this is borne out by every game I've ever played what's hard to understand? Yes I know, and that's the main reason I'm basically giving you a pass (it's the same with HF really, usually when he's mafia he makes a shit RL excuse and disappears, at least in 2 mafia games I remember him in). Are you even going to consider an alternative lynch target today to Damdred? I haven't even read damdred so I have no idea if I agree with lynching him, but seems like basically everyone is fine with lynching him. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:49 marvellosity wrote: did you see the link to the post at the end of the last page i posted? (terrible english) yeah I was just reading it. | ||
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One of my best qualities. It's sort of tempting to just blind faith sheep onto Damdred, but man I really feel like I should do something this game. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:50 marvellosity wrote: HF has posted 30+ pages as mafia  but... atm he's un-cc tracker, and he claimed he tracked someone to jat, so unless he's planning some mega-bullshit, it makes him quite likely town Yeah I know. Also I kinda didn't believe HF's claim, I basically thought it was just one of those bullshit claims that he does all the time. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:53 marvellosity wrote: well, how about you check out Sn0/Superbia/Obi, none of them have that long filters Already did sentinel, am going to do Sn0 next. And Superbia is confirmed town for posting first in the game, remember? Like seriously, people need to take my best analysis more seriously. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote: btw, i'm sure you're clever enough, but the point of that post is that rayn tried very very hard (they weren't the only posts) to move me off his scumread (Damdred) on to his other scumread (Wave). Which can also be very beneficial if they're both town. "Hey look marv! I have opinions so I'm totally not mafia. Also if I convince you, you'll probably revert to your default lynch tomorrow!" Then again, reading that between rayn and you actually makes you look better. Rayn always does this pleading with you to do as he wants when he's mafia and you're town, or at least I seem to recall this exact strategy from him. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote: well if a blue mysteriously dies in the night (say HF is mafia rolecop and rolecopped a blue) and HF claims it was him he tracked, then we can have this conversation again also if HF is lying about the track, we can probably just kill him then too HF being full of shit doesn't really make him mafia. It just makes him HF. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:57 justanothertownie wrote: If this is your reasoning I might take lynching you seriously... Just because bitches don't get my swag, don't mean I don't got no swag. | ||
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On December 01 2014 19:59 Holyflare wrote: it would make me mafia because i've gone to deep for it to be any kind of town fake claim Maybe, I generally shut off my brain and stop reading your shit immediately when you start claiming things. | ||
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I'm off for a bit, while I don't have a better idea in marv we trust. ##vote Damdred | ||
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Cause that statistical quote seems awful. | ||
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On November 29 2014 01:22 Sn0_Man wrote: could lynch palmar my original thoughts on how he played lazy town seem to be wrong after checking boardwalk empire PYP briefly. This is an overjustification. If he actually had read the game, compared the two and concluded I was playing in some way differently than in that game, he should have highlighted, even just one sentence, what the difference in playstyle was. And there was no need really to do this at the time, all he had to do was say "Palmar isn't doing jack shit, so I could lynch him". This feels like he actually felt the need to have a "legitimate" reason behind wanting to lynch me. he doesn't elaborate on his vote post either: On November 29 2014 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: Meh for now teh slots i'm most comfortable lynching into are basically palmar and damdred. as mentioned, that votecount is disastrous lol. ##Vote: Palmar So there's that. The most townie post in his filter is the one where he says he's sheeping marv because he doesn't have a clue. Also there's that opening post that was sorta weird. I think we should lynch this guy over Damdred, at least Damdred is trying. ##vote Sn0_Man | ||
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On December 02 2014 01:04 Sn0_Man wrote: I don't get why i'm being accused for dumb shit instead of being max lazy utterly useless You're here right now. Explain what the difference was between boardwalk and here that made you suspicious of me. If you take to long to answer I'm going to assume you actually went and read it to try to find something to support your claim. clock's ticking. | ||
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If you're gonna meta me, at least try. | ||
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I'm off for now | ||
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On December 02 2014 02:02 Sn0_Man wrote: you've long ago concluded that you have to lynch damdred today regardless of anything plus i'm town which helps what happened to palmar anwyay he literally accused me on the basis of nothing insetad of making a reasonable case that i'm actively useless or soemthing then when I demonstrated taht his case is invented he ran away No you just demonstrated that you're more Shit than I thought you were so maybe my case that was based on you doing something bad could be explained by you being bad and not only by you being scum | ||
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On December 02 2014 05:10 geript wrote: Palmer did too. Did I? | ||
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On December 02 2014 05:30 justanothertownie wrote: Being useless and therefore unreadable. Basically a policy lynch. Do you think this is still valid? | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote: Why are you only interested in the game when you're about to get lynched? To be honest that's absolutely not alignment indicative. I am exactly the same. I just enjoy talking about myself a whole lot more than I enjoy talking about others, and not being a burden to your team (town or mafia) by getting lynched is also a good motivation. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:16 marvellosity wrote: I could switch to sn0 tbh, he just disappeared when the pressure went away This is correct. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:23 Sn0_Man wrote: alright palmar ur defending damdred for not playing when not under the gun then asserting that I should be lynched for the same thing? walk me through that one its hardly like ur playing either Do you not see the difference between you and him? You just attacked whoever was attacking you, he actually looks like he's making a concerted effort to be useful to town. If he's town and about to flip, what he's doing now is literally the best thing he can do. You're just obnoxious and annoying. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote: Real quick. Who has played with sn0 before? I need a link to a town game and possibly a scum game as well. Jesus bro, there's a list of them somewhere in the thread. Such lazy, not reading the game. On December 02 2014 03:15 geript wrote: Sn0 looks absolutely nothing like his town games. Town Neat and TIdy Hogwarts I'm a Cop Witchcraft Mafia SMB Here's the glaring differences I've seen from his town play: As town he's not a complete asshat and seems to actually enjoy himself As town he's actually makes comments and tries to be helpful regardless of blue/green As town he wants to win but fears looking dumb more than losing As mafia, he's a whiny asshole who trieds to add as little to the thread as humanly possible. | ||
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Like you're trying to lynch your #2 town read from 40 hours ago or something. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:37 justanothertownie wrote: Then skim a few of them and check. He is definitely right about a big difference between this game and the towngames he listed. The scumgame isn't quite like this but more similar I guess? Cba, if I'm putting in additional work I'm reading this game, not other games. I'm voting him anyway for wanting to lynch me with nothing yesterday. | ||
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marv. | ||
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On December 02 2014 07:59 justanothertownie wrote: My brain is fried. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sentinel Wtf was this? | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote: so palmar has been calling out marv on day 1 saying we shouldn't probably trust him but is the jker? marv says that there is a rb 10/10 times in this setup but wants to lynch off the doctor and not the jk cc wut This is just not true, I said on day 1 that marv was probably town and we should trust his read no matter his alignment? ? | ||
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Can we wiggle with the claimed blues somehow to keep some alive? | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:07 Holyflare wrote: tis true what you are saying the latter half is still correct Sure. In fact if Sn0 is town mafia has DEFINITELY a roleblocker AND a vigilante left to counter 2 protective roles. | ||
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On December 02 2014 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: Wouldn't rolecop + vig also make sense somehow? -> HFs check looks extremely suspicious then. maybe. If you're green Sn0, I will literally find where you live and take a dump in your bed. | ||
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Also if, Sn0 is mafia, I am basically the most awesome person in the world thanks to early game post analysis and having vote on mafia 2 days in a row. Maybe you peasants should listen more often. I am tempted to just randomly JK into the unclaimed players who could be mafia (geript, superbia, sent, obi, jat etc) to try to stop the night kill. Or I might JK Sn0.... who knows? I might even JK HF or Marv? The jail is my oyster. | ||
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Don't lynch HF, he's probably town. JAT is actually probably town too, he's just bad. Last time a game was going sorta badly it was blatantly obvious that JAT literally didn't give a shit about the game and he was mafia, I said something super smart like "JAT knows this game is a train wreck and he doesn't care", but I didn't follow through on it. | ||
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On December 03 2014 01:32 Superbia wrote: I trust your judgment Plammar (not really). Were you aware that you often post the 1st post in a game as town? Do you think it is a valid metric to judge you this game? | ||
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I don't mind being wrong. But man do I love being right. | ||
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Still, I think he's town. | ||
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Seems like the logical thing to do. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:31 geript wrote: Are you fucking kidding me palmer? Watcher is almost as good as alignment cop. Would you ever give a setup Cop, Medic Tracker? No you wouldn't because Cop + Medic are super strong and even stronger together. Even if you think that, why just quit? You could've at least let me play out the game. I enjoy being in ridiculously stupid situations. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:32 Sn0_Man wrote: I mean once host confirmed that only one of me or palmar got RB'd then i got mislynched and flip doc palmar and geript both had to be scum gg You dumb bro. My scenario was perfectly fine. I just had to lynch geript today, then you tomorrow (shoot superbia in the night and roleblock you) and then convince sent, jat, obi that shiaopi is literally the worst balancer of roles ever and somehow made a game with doc, jk, tracker, watcher. It's ez. | ||
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On December 04 2014 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was fucking fed up with you not doing anything Palmar. I hope i never roll mafia with you again tbh. It was thanksgiving and weekend man, relax? | ||
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On December 04 2014 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Iceland celebrates US thanksgiving? We at least changed the date in canada. No I celebrate US thanksgiving. I find it a brilliant festival. I'm not sure what the traditional reason for it is (I should wikipedia it at some point), but I found the idea of taking a day off to eat turkey and watch football was something that aligned with my interests. | ||
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