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On November 25 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote: imo day ones are stupid. I never take too much info out of day one but I do try to get some and start the game rolling I try to take charge as town. Im certainly not going to vote breske because of it , this is the kind of thing you look back at when you have more information. Kind of agree with your day one idea. Not to say that it's stupid, but it takes some time to make a decent read. On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote: This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read Anyone could have said this. It's not uncommon to have a policy lynch on lurkers. I don't know why you would come out and say that it looks town. Unless you're going to say that it's a meta-play and you're trying to judge Breshke on his reaction to you saying he's town, but then you could say that everything is a play and you wouldn't have to be held to anything you said. Anyway on the topic of policy, I wouldn't necessarily lynch all lurkers on day 1. Only if there was no reasonable candidate scum lynch. | ||
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On November 25 2014 08:36 Damdred wrote: Cool stuff what do you think of the couple things that have been posted so far I have my eye on sicklucker. Not really sure what he's up to but I expect he's fishing for reads. I would like to see what he comes up with by end of day. Otherwise I'm marking it as suspicious. | ||
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On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: I know its not much posted so far but is there anyone else you are looking at or hinking about? Not really. Breshke and HtS look like they're trying to reason their way through the game. You're asking lots of questions which is good. Not enough info for me to put you on by bang list. Could you alk more about the bolded and where lurker lynch/policy lynch came from. Maybe I could explain the bolded part a bit better. sicklucker opens by saying he's going to afk. I guess he was fishing for a reaction from someone and Breshke jumps in and votes, because an afk town is essentially useless. (Though I would usually let the modkill go through). Now sicklucker isn't playing afk at all, he seems to be poking and fishing around for responses. Could be ok, or could be suspicious. I think it was way too early to give a town read for that just based on Breshke's response. Really easy for anyone to make that call. Now, since sicklucker backflipped on the afk deal, maybe he is just saying Breshke is town, and fishing for more info, or maybe he really is posting that as a read. If it's a genuine read, I don't really think it's justified based on that small interaction. If it's fishing, then I can't really trust any of his reads because he can use that excuse to drop false information. Actually on first read I thought he was saying that Breshke's vote was townie, but now it looks like he was saying HtS's defense was townie. Hm, maybe it's not so bad. Would like to hear whar sicklucker is really thinking now. Often in other games players have put forward a Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policy. I don't really agree with these but I was wondering if anyone else follows policy votes. Also in other games we have posted our reads in Marry/Bang/Kill format. I'll be doing that once some more people have posted. | ||
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bats and oats seem to know each other and are talking a lot. I would like to see you two focus less on each other. HTS Being very defensive. At least he is asking stuff and showing some reasoning. I think he is fairly cautious but nothing stands out that would make me call him scummy. In fact I would lean town on HTS at this point. Breshke His first vote for sicklucker is not alignment indicative in any way. At least it put some pressure on him to start the game. On November 25 2014 11:52 Breshke wrote: Is this a thing people do so newbies dont sheep them early? Care to elaborate anymore? I would read Breshke as town just because of this post. sicklucker I said it before, his setups and meta-plays look really weird. If he pulls some valuable info then ok, I will accept the value of it. But right now I think that he is setting himself up to distance from his own posts and I don't like that. Kind of scummy but not my highest priority lynch. On November 25 2014 08:00 sicklucker wrote: do i think breske is mafia* His counter onto Breshke seems really scummy though. Easy to see that his vote was because sicklucker is at best donkey town. LS Says oats is being very constructive. Not sure I 100% agree with that read. kush afk's. Reads damdred as top scum. Then switches votes to cock even though he wasn't in his scumpile. Slightly scummy I think. Damdred Opens with 'ignore me,' yea right. I like his line of questioning tho, very active. Seems very defensive of sickluckers play. Pushing on sicklucker a lot though. I'm slightly suspicious of the early interaction between Damdred, HTS, and sicklucker (see below) slam On November 25 2014 11:32 Alakaslam wrote: FOR THE GLORY THAT IS KENPACHI!!! ## VOTE BRESHKE!!! Interpret me sson Why vote breshke? Because you're scum. Or did you even read the thread. I have no idea why you would want to vote him as town. Anyway you unvote before he has a chance to respond and then go afk. cock Interaction at the beginning seems weird. Most posts are devoid of anything to read. Oats Some defensive posting. seems to say a lot without saying a lot. Trfel Super logic. I'm not sure I follow his argument, but at least he has an argument. batsnacks Basically just tunnelled on oats. Not sure I can lean either way with this. OK something that caught my eye in the very first posts (p5). sicklucker sets his 'trap' and Breshke falls into it. Damdred and sicklucker set up some rapport. Then HTS questions Breshke's response. sicklucker jumps on it straight away to say how townie it is that HTS would defend him like this. He says 'A mafia would be unlikely to defend me.' At this point I see Damdred trying to pull info from sicklucker, kind of indirectly trying to defend him. So, I don't think that HTS is mafia. But if sicklucker is, then I wouldn't be surprised if Damdred was his partner. To me, it looks like they are trying to align, without directly giving each other a town read. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:22 Half the Sky wrote: I am not familiar with this terminology. I assume you mean kill is like a lynch/scum vote. but what is "marry" and "bang"? Also taking note of your inquiry, on kush, he did not strike me one way or another going through the thread, but let me filter and pull together his posts for a better read. Marry is towniest of town. Bang, I would consider you town for now, but it just might not last. Kill is scum. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:27 sicklucker wrote: I said breske was null wtf? How am I a donkey town or mafia if after all of that I didnt get anything out of breske and said so(I got alot out of other people... like ALOT) Your post I quoted suggests otherwise. If you have some more reads, then update me. | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:33 sicklucker wrote: If your so sure of mine and dandreds interactions how did you miss the posts where he asked me If I thik breske is scum and I said no? Because I have yet to call breske scum the worst I called him was "weird" Not sure what this means? If you changed your mind on breske then what would that have to do with Damdred? | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:36 sicklucker wrote: Can you not use nivknames so I know who your talking about plz? HTS = HalfTheSky | ||
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On November 26 2014 09:48 rsoultin wrote: ##vote meatpudding Coincidental maybe that you suddenly come in with a buttload of reads after I ask where you went and disappeared to, but that screams lurking to me. You've talked lynching policies a lot and got in early game on the sl, breske business defending breske's vote as not indicative of an alignment...and came out in favor of a no-lynch. Those by themselves aren't that significant. I don't see much value added the first day though. And the timing today...that's what really has me suspicious. Got a good reason for that? Not sure if you're saying I'm in favour of no-lynch? I haven't mentioned that, and I haven't voted yet either. As for the time, it's morning here. On that topic end of day is at 8am for me. | ||
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On November 26 2014 10:14 rsoultin wrote: No offense, dude, but you're wrong. Check the filter. Over 24 hours passed between when he asked HTS for a read on kush yesterday and his Marry/Bang/Kill list today, which was posted about a half hour after I asked where he'd gotten off to. The coincidence of the timing is legit. Nope. He's right. My posts were about 1/2 an hour apart. I was just chiming in while I caught up on the thread. | ||
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On November 26 2014 10:30 Trfel wrote: Simply having one scum read, which I feel started as a reaction for being voted for, doesn't feel like enough to me. Still though, I'll take a closer look later tonight. To everyone else (except Half the Sky, thanks for sharing your thoughts, I'll take a look at Damdred later tonight), I'd really like some feedback. If my case is really stupid, let me know. If it's full of holes, show them to me. Otherwise, vote for batsnacks. I'm not convinced. If you were to sum up your case it seems you're saying that he was highly analytical in other games, but mostly posting without content in this game. So that might be a clue and it's a good observation. At the moment it puts him about equal with kush, slam, LS, rasputin who have not put in very much. (I know I have a one page filter too..). | ||
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On November 26 2014 12:48 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote: My mistake. It was page 10 when you first called HTS town but a couple posts later put him up as your scumread. SL wrant from null to scum as well. Though reading through bats filter I can see that of everyone he's made and effort to not post reads or reasoning for votes so for today my vote stand on him ## vote bats This looks like you're just sheeping Trfel. At least he went to some effort to explain his reasoning. It's not like I think you're totally wrong but on the other hand he's not the only one who hasn't made reads. | ||
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On November 26 2014 19:01 Breshke wrote: Hey meat pudding so i saw your stuff on the damdred/SL interaction but i see it differently from you. I think if damdred is mafia he doesnt single out SL in his initial post (not that he was talking about alignments but he still specifically mentions SL) And then i don't think he goes on to question his scum partner so meticulously. This is just a gut feeling though like i don't think in this setup scum comes out and interacts that much with their partner when bussing is definitely an option for them. Although you can go down an entire meta hole of thats exactly why he would do it. Anyway are these two still your scum reads? What do you think of batsnacks and oatsmaster? Yeah that would make sense except SL was definitely drawing attention to himself at the time. So besides that, I would still have my suspicion on sicklucker, because he was super quick to give out town reads at that time, but since then hasn't given much of a read on anyone. He wasn't too fond of my initial case, but I didn't see him elaborate on the holes he says he found. I was really liking Damdred at first, I though his activity was bringing good results. I only had second thoughts when I went back to read it a second time. It just looked to me that when SL gave his first townread on HTS, that he was setting up for a read on Damdred to make them both confirmed town. Since I mentioned it they seem to have a point of disagreeing, but I could just be paranoid. I would not be opposed to lynching either one. I need to read the part of the thread where bats and oats came in. It really confused my first time. I've said that I'm not sure about the case on bats, but I wouldn't say either are town atm. I'm going to do some diving now. I don't think anyone else is around and I need to vote tonight because I won't be able to catch up before the hammer. | ||
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On November 26 2014 20:19 Breshke wrote: Yeah man deadlines are rough for us. I will probably be around if you find anything you want to talk about. I think you are being paranoid about damdred but it could be a world just not one i think we should consider today. What do you think of bats taking his vote off of Oats to vote dicksmash? Not bad actually, I can't see any real reason not to vote for dicksmash. | ||
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On November 26 2014 20:46 Breshke wrote: I disagree This feels like he knows Oats alignment and is trying to get him on his side. If not what then convinced him that oats was town that would make him then change his vote to someone he had an early town read on and hasn't done much in the mean time Yes the fact that dicksmash ahsn't done much in the mean time is bad and that he won't be around until later is also bad but I don't think bats has actually tried to figure out Oats at all and am not sure what he is trying to accomplish with his vote on dicksmash since he hasn't said anything at all about think he is scum. But is voting someone you dont have a reason not to vote for a good play. How many other people fit into that category for you at this time? It's not the best play, but it's day 1 and information is so limited... definitely no one is confirmed and I only have like two town lean. It's like the battle between the spammers and the lurkers right now. I think bats is pressure voting, I'm not convinced how serious he is with any of his reads. Bats could be scum, but why on earth would he choose oats to pocket? oats has been on his case the entire time. Do you think there is a chance that they are a scum team? Oats is looking almost like a town lean to me. In every post he is pressing for logic and reason. The big problem I have with him is that he has tunneled on batsnacks so hard. Also the fact that both of them said my post was funny, but none decided to push me on it or even vote for pressure. So that's a bit odd. Especially considering the random voting of bats. And yeah while it seems bats hasn't done that much, it looks like he's trolling. It doesn't come off as townie but I'm still not feeling scum here. Anyway I'm not trying to defend bats at all so whatever. I'm not as confident on Trfel as I was before. I feel like what you said about bats could be applied here. He did some good research, but he's pretty much just sheeping oats, no? I fell like he's trying to make a case that feels more solid than it is. The next most scummy thing I've seen so far is slam coming into the thread, random voting and then disappearing. Since he was being ignored he hasn't had to post anything since. | ||
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He conveys a lot of confidence in his reads, but I don't see any reasoning behind them. I'm not really sure where he stands on breshke. On November 26 2014 08:53 sicklucker wrote: Bet my left nut on towns - hts, trfel leaning towns - dicksmash, Ls, slam? Longshot crack pot day 1 mafia team call out for fun - rsoultin, Damdred, breske I think we got 2 mafia in the more experienced players, im liking alot of the new guys On November 25 2014 09:59 sicklucker wrote: Ive given my breske read as well. I pretty much just said its weird but hes null . If I wanted to push him id push him. Hes one of the few players I know so I want him to stick around soI can read him more. This read on Damdred is super mysterious and odd. I think he's trying to make it look like he's contributing more than he is. On November 26 2014 09:10 sicklucker wrote: Damdred I think what ive seen is scum. I found it super weird how he never asked breske one question but he asked me 15 of the same question. I dont want to push him yet because I think I can soulread him as I have in a current game I cant talk about. Bresk individuality I dont have much but he hasint been around. I just put him in that longshot scum team from their really weird day 1 interactions together. This is a good start but where is the follow up? If he was town I think it would be important to push on this statement. On November 26 2014 09:34 sicklucker wrote: I already found holes in meats story I dont like him at all. He seems to be handing out reads at random. Trying to justify everything by saying 'I have a good reason but I just can't tell you.' I feel like his game plan is to not get lynched rather than figure out the game. ##Vote sicklucker | ||
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On November 27 2014 12:24 rsoultin wrote: -_- SL, I see why people keep thinking you're scum. You are not at all careful about what you're saying, what you're reading, what verb tenses you're using. If you're town, dude, learn to take the time to think before you post and actually reread it to make sure it's saying what you meant to say. Or you're going to misdirect people into thinking you're mafia simply because you're acting like a self-contradicting looney toon. I'm actually starting to think that SL's erratic behaviour means he could be town. I think if he were scum he would be a little more careful with his accusations. | ||
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On November 27 2014 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote: man fuck this game, there are like 6 scummy dudes. Damdred Bats Meatpudding Lightningstrike rsoultin slam Why do you think rsoultin is scummy? | ||
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Sorry I couldn't post. I went to school after the storm hit but they closed the labs for repair. I can't post form my phone  Anyway caught up now. I wanted to post my thoughts at the end of night, but it's pretty much moot now. Also, I wanted to push on slam, but because of the replacement I would change my read from scum to null. | ||
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I'm on the fence about both Bats and Damdred. On bats, I haven't really been reading him as scummy for most of the game. So far, each case I have seen is not convincing enough for me. His posts are either null or town leaning for the most part. In fact, I would have put bats as a town lean which is the most likely scenario, except for something which make me consider a world where he is scum. His outright agreement with kush being the main thing. I haven't been convinced and I don't buy that bats would read kush town after such a brief amount of posting. So, because I feel that it's about 60-40 that he is town, I am calling it a fence read. On Damdred, I was leaning scum D1, but after that I have no strong feelings one way or the other. It's pretty obvious that he's not scum team with sicklucker as I first thought. And I doubt that he is scum team with bats. It could be the case, but I think a better guess is kush/bats or kush/damdred. Damdred's posts come off to me as distractions to town. He is acting very defensive about everything. He is asking questions often, but I don't see how they shape his reads. I feel like he is pushing on everyone who makes any kind of statement against him, but is just trying to corner them or wear them down in a 'do you really think that' kind of way. So, I don't really agree with his reads at all and I feel like he should have come a lot further than he has, considering his post count. I don't get his defence of bats, though I am inclined to believe that bats could be town maybe damd is trying to pocket. On kush, I have seen him as the most scummy player so far. He lurked D1 and basically didn't post anything except to directly answer questions. I think this is not even a null read, this is scummy, there is very little put forward to help town. What bothers me more about this is that even though he has not done anything to earn a town read, I feel like he has been given a free pass to the game. So I'm not sure what to make of this. Would his scum partner have the balls to say that kush is def town? I think that is a pretty bold move but it's wifom to think about. His D2 reads have been no better, and basically random. Breske? (lol) HtS? I don't feel that either. Is he just trying to see what sticks and jump on a wagon without making a case? Meanwhile he I feel like he is being covered for by a partner. Either that or town is being really dopey. LS i am null leaning scum. I think he pretty much takes slam's place on the list. Something about his posts has kind of bothered me, like he's lurking but not pushing. What makes me suspicious enough to call scum is that kush never mentions him nor interacts with him at all. He gives a D1 scum read with no backup and then just drops on it. Hm. My town reads from least to most are oats, HtS, rasputin, sicklucker and breshke. The last three especially are pretty legit. | ||
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On November 29 2014 10:35 rsoultin wrote: First off lol >< I do have to apologize to you meat. I was wrong. I must have looked at your filter five times and still screwed up the timestamp on your posts. You did post the question about a read on HTS a half hour before your Marry/Bang/Kill post, so that's my bad. November 25 2014 17:58 November 25, 2014 18:18 Before that you had made your short post. November 25, 2014 17:37 For some reason I confused the timestamp with the one on this post: November 24, 2014 18:11 So no, you did not suddenly start posting when I asked where you were. That is my bad. And you were right about posting 30 minutes before. All that leaves in terms of why I was questioning you was the unexplained time gap of almost 24 hrs between the last post linked above and the request for a read on HTS. I thought you were avoiding the question, but I was asking it wrong because I'm a dolt. Could you explain that gap please? If you can, I no longer have any issues with you, especially if you remain active now. Meh I need to learn to timestamp better. Oops I think that was when I was working on the map analyser. If you're into starcraft you should check it out in the custom maps forum. Oh I probably should have posted that evening though. If I remember correctly that was when bats/oats showed up. It was a bit of a shitstorm I didn't really have much to contribute but tried to follow it as well. I noticed that's when Kush showed up as well, but only posted a few times. | ||
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On November 29 2014 10:42 kushm4sta wrote: scum might just get lucky enough that im too busy to do anything today Without any defense I have no reason not to ##Vote kushm4sta | ||
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On November 29 2014 11:05 rsoultin wrote: Got a link? I'm not but I'd still like to see your map, lol. Some friends are. And yeah the shitstorm had me very grumpy. That and probably jet lag, but I'm going to pretend it was all them yup. Bats switched his vote to Oats right before kush came in. Inclined to follow suit on that vote with you, meatpudding. Yet another non-post by Kush. Most I've seen from him was his helping to push Dicks with Damdred. Check my sig, it's not really on topic for this thread. So far I haven't really bought into the case on bats, as I said above. But he's one of the people who gave kush town cred, when I clearly feel he doesn't deserve it at all. This could be a meta read by bats, and I don't like it. I'm still a newb player but I;ve never seen so much meta than in this thread. It's pretty easy to game the meta, so I don't read too much into those arguments. Another scenario is that kush, bats are the same alignment. It would be an extremely forward move to town read your buddy just like that. But maybe he would try it because we would never expect it. Wifom, etc.... | ||
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My main reason for reading scum on slam was that he was lurking, so I don't have a case now. | ||
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On November 29 2014 11:21 sicklucker wrote: Meat scum reads me and votes me. Now he doesint even mention me in his reads??????? I'm not reading you as scum anymore SL. I put you in my reads as nearly top town. I don't see you as pushing the scum agenda at all. | ||
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On November 29 2014 13:53 LightningStrike wrote: Before I go to bed I got question rsoultin,Breshke, and meatpudding What is your case on kushm4sta because I willing to change my vote if you guys give me a better case than the case on meatpudding as I got both them as my top scum. If it;s kushm4sta and meatpudding that are your top scum you should definitely vote kushm4sta. Outlined the gist of it in my first post. The silence factor is a big deal. By being read town, he had very little motivation to say anything. The fact that he was being read town after doing next to nothing was my second concern. I'm not sure that I want to commit to saying that he's working with a partner, but I am suspicious. His D1 read like scum to me. Same with D2. So before he started voting on D1 there was this kind of interaction. On November 25 2014 18:50 Breshke wrote: Got any reads you want to share kush? I don't really like sicklucker at the moment but i can't really express why. I don't get why people make these "traps" and then he has come to almost 0 conclusions from it. Like the trap in itself is not alignment indicative because he set it up before he knew his role but he seemingly got nothing from it and it was just an excuse because of his bad initial post. On November 25 2014 18:58 kushm4sta wrote: breshke, what was scummy about sicklucker I think moreso than that he set a trap, was that he used it as an excuse to omgus you. On November 25 2014 21:17 Breshke wrote: yeah i think what i was trying to say is the same as you kush. What did he egt from that trap/ What was he hoping to get from it? Kush what's your read on Oats if you have any at this time On November 25 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote: Probably town because he's acting pro town but that's a weak read. Granted I haven't read the whole game yet. Basically Kush is posting without giving too much away. I think if he didn't have any reads then he could have just said that? Like he is feigning interest in the game maybe. His posts are half jokes and banter, where the actual content of his reads are just flat lists with no justification. Then out of nowhere On November 26 2014 01:39 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote damdred with the corresponding explanation On November 26 2014 01:55 kushm4sta wrote: I'm caught up. On my phone. Scum pile Rasputin very little content. I remember what's there being scummy. ls similar to above in that i don't remember precisely why he's scummy. Damdred-stronger read His tone reads like a know it all. His arguments defending his shit pushes make no sense. Oats I changed my mind on this one having read everything. His tunnel on bat is so superficial yet he's not letting it go. So he voted because "he's scummy but I don't know why" and then after this is going onto dicksmash. Then he rolls over, says he's too busy with half a day left to go, but he's obviously still in the thread. This alone isn't such a scum tell. But if he is scum, as I suspect, then there's no way he gets a free pass by continuing to be afk. | ||
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On November 29 2014 18:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Kush isn't scum. Can you give an idea of why you think that? | ||
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On November 29 2014 19:05 Oatsmaster wrote: It's so bad for scum kush to react like this to pressure. Because shit like what you guys are doing happens. Well yeah... but are you really saying that going afk under pressure confirms town? | ||
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HtS Votes kush obviously to keep himself alive when he was the other wagon. Can't read into the alignment here. meat You can see my reasoning for suspecting kush in my other posts. Breshke Idk why breshke chose to vote kush, maybe because he was lurking. rsoultin Not sure actually why he votes kush when he said Damdred was his scum read. D1 final count batsnacks (2): Oatsmaster, Trfel, Breshke Dicksmash Mcironcock (6): kushm4sta, Damdred, Half the Sky, LightningStrike, SickLucker, rsoultin, Alakaslam sicklucker (1): meatpudding Trfel (1): batsnacks D2 final count Kushm4sta (4): Breshke, meatpudding, Half the Sky, rsoultin Half the Sky (3): Oatsmaster, Batsnacks, LightningStrike rsoultin (2): Hopeless1der,Damdred batsnacks (1): sicklucker conclusion excluding sl and breshke for the time being pretty unlikely that hopeless and damdred are both scums, but likely that one of them are. one of oats, bats, LS likely to me mafia one of hts, rasputin. I'm kind of leaning town on both hts and rasputin. I would consider taking another look at brashke. Kush's suggestion on the roleblock scenario seems too far-fetched. MAYBE the roleblocker was afk and breshke claimed, I doubt it so much. My best guess based on the votes is HtS, LS, Damdred | ||
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On December 01 2014 22:22 rsoultin wrote: Okay, so now it's time to be newb and need help. "hammer" - does that mean vote? cause "hammer" sounds negative lol And I am reading the damn timestamp right this time, right? We've got more than 24 hours left? Hammer is the vote that sets it to lynch. And yeah over 24h (48 h days) | ||
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On December 01 2014 22:36 rsoultin wrote: Lol, SL...circular reasoning dude. I didn't like that in Damdred (HTS is bad cause SL is bad cause HTS is bad), and I don't like it here. Sides, he left me off too. I seem to recall being left off several lists early game. Felt unloved ;o; Though I was being a bit of a sarcastic ass too so that's okay lol. No one has to love me. I'm sure oats loves you. Oats loves everyone. | ||
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I was going to say lynch LS then HTS but I don't have a good enough case on either right now. | ||
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On December 02 2014 10:26 rsoultin wrote: Edit: @ meat Would really just like to hear what you have. It's okay if it's not super solid or something. I think we're all uncertain right now, which is why everyone is so worried about who to lynch and lynching the wrong person, lol. In a way, I assumed he was N2 after for voting kush. Mainly because LS was already scum read to me and I assumed that neither bats or oats would be. So leaving off rasputin, breshke and sl that left me with hts and hopeless 1der. | ||
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On December 02 2014 10:44 rsoultin wrote: Honestly, meat, by that logic you should be voting for me lol. Which I wouldn't blame people for doing. I'm the one who voted for kush last and refused to change my vote to HTS. It might help if you read EoD Day 2 and Night 2...your last few posts lead me to believe you haven't been paying attention to those. I have read it, is there anything you want to draw my attention to? Maybe I missed something... Also I am more confident that you are town over HtS, so far I haven't been convinced on bats either. | ||
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On December 02 2014 10:58 rsoultin wrote: HTS didn't switch his vote to me when he could have to prevent his being lynched. He also said something when he thought he'd been lynched, but a couple of the votes weren't counted. Those two reasons are my reasons. He was pretty null to me before EoD Day 2 as well. Since you read that, I assume there's a reason you're still suspicious of him? Wait, he didn't prevent himself being lynched so that makes him town? That's weird of him either way. I'm going to check it again, I had thought that the last votes were counted. | ||
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Ls is in this game to ask dead end questions and be all around pilly wally. What has he done besides cover his tracks and post little during the times when he was able to coast, mainly because bats and oats and mainly the rest of town has been fighting over one another. So my previous vote analysis notwithstanding, it's almost clear that scum has had almost no play in the push of town against town, and this explains the passive play by ls. He could vote for A or B or whatever and it doesn't really matter because either way one step closer to lylo. I would be happy to vote on ls even if I had another viable choice here. In fact I would have thought about it yesterday, but kush being afk made me assume that he was lacking in defense. Oh oats I guess I owe you an apology. You were right about kush all along. But the problem is that you did a crappy job of convincing me or anyone else. I dind't have any reason to believe you especially when the way I was reading him was different to yours. I guess you have played together before still it's pretty easy to change your play especially when you're not posting much, right? | ||
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On December 02 2014 22:08 Breshke wrote: Meatpudding what i don't get it you read kush as scummy for not posting much of a defense or whatever, and i agreed with you on that so im not blaming you for starting that wagon but you have been under the spotlight most of today and at least in my eyes have failed to defend yourself until now. Why were you happy to do something that made you read kush as scummy? I had to read that a couple times before it made sense but you're asking why I haven't been defending myself? I guess I suck at defense. I was hoping to put together a good case but I didn't get the diving done that I wanted to, especially the more recent posts by hts and oats. So I also haven't really updated my reads at all. But about kush I was first reading him as scummy for making very off topic and limited content posts. When he went massively afk that was just a bonus reason. | ||
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On December 02 2014 22:17 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I will explain my sheeping since I woke up. I did sheep in my last game too till I got lynched and when I was in the OBS qt for that game after death I swore after one player that died who called sicklucker town sicklucker was scum because afterwards his posting seemed to be scum like at the time. I was shocked to learn he really was town and so I don't really trust my own judgement still after that game so I was going with the Veterans of TL mafia for voting unless I get a power role that can detect alignments aka Cop/Detective or Tracker/Watcher. That's all I can say about my sheeping. Read my filter from the Campus Mafia for proof of my sheeping in that game. Vt has the power to vote. Not using your votes to hunt for scum in anti town hence leaning heavily on scum for your alignment. | ||
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On December 03 2014 08:50 Half the Sky wrote: Breshke, it's almost midnight here, I can crank a few more things for the next half hour, anything in particular you want me to check? Almost through with LS. Here's another post we can examine... The above was D2. What is the point of this? Half his reads are null anyway. Is there anything you can tell from here or any reason to repost it now? | ||
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On December 03 2014 13:00 sicklucker wrote: Heres the only situation you should vote breske out. If theirs one mafia left and its the roleblocker. Even then im not saying you should do it but thats the only situation where it makes sense. That makes absolutely no sense. Any scum could have claimed not just the rb. | ||
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On December 03 2014 14:04 rsoultin wrote: Bats did. Though looking back through, it was Hope who started the lynch push on me, after bats posted that list and Damdred said I was acting scummy with the hammer vote and that he wished more were around so they could lynch me lol. Hrum. Whatcha think? LS following bats (who he had a scum read on) around like a duckling a clever move designed to implicate bats if he ever flipped, or a new scum player transparently following bat's lead? I don't think even a new player would be that transparent. | ||
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On December 03 2014 20:19 sicklucker wrote: Meat who are the last two mafia Probably not bats | ||
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On December 03 2014 21:57 Half the Sky wrote: Read this AND the last thing I posted on his record. Now that we know LS is scum, I'm re-reading everything he's done and put out there. His list of threes tells me he seemed like he wanted to take you out for awhile, which makes me reconsider you as scum, second page, since all the reads are together, he probably didn't want to indicate he was possibly aligned with anyone. It's always good to go back and re-examine someone when their role is revealed and that's so that we aren't missing anything. I am also posting such that if anyone else here had a different opinion on this, they can say something on it. Context. If there's one mafia left and it's the roleblocker...the key word here is AND. Even then I would take this a step further and say that if it's one scum left, we know it's RB, and the people left are what we think are the towncircle. Either way his situation he describes is that we know what specifics are being revealed as a scum goes. You read the N3 post right? It revealed LS as a goon, so we have one goon and the RB left. This still doesn't make sense. IF mafia didn't use the rb, then the rb could have asked someone else to claim. | ||
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On December 03 2014 23:32 batsnacks wrote: Dudes just lynch hopeless tomorrow. You can always lynch me the next day I'm not going anywhere after how hard scum has been pushing my mislynch all game. Why is it necessarily scum that has been pushing for your ml, do you think? | ||
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On December 03 2014 22:41 Half the Sky wrote: Damn quote boxes. I'll be completely honest, Rasputin, I might sound crazy here, but I just haven't been impressed with Meat's posting at all this game. Maybe it's inexperience, I think we're all learning. But even as a beginner myself I've had a difficult time following where he's trying to go with his posts half the time. Although now, I'm not as convinced he is scum after re-reading LS's posts. There are eight alive right now. I'm good on you, Breshke, SL, Rasputin We have Meat, Hopeless, Oats and Bats left. Meat could be scum, but it's unlikely, though I will admit I'm not sold on an argument yet as to why he's not. He did say he's bad at his defense, EoD D3. Hopeless is a complete tossup. Bats is the clear scum for me. I think if we take him out, that will reveal all we need to know about Oats. So in order: Bats, Hopeless and a tossup between Oats and Meat. What would a bats flip tell you about oats? If bats flips, to me that would suggest that oats is a team, and that they were staging a bus. Can you confirm if this is what you are trying to say. | ||
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Bats has been under close scrutiny since D1, started by oats and having varying degrees of success. Though he never acted like scum that had been caught. He's been reading slightly town to me, at least not scum at all. I'm bothered by his night posts and late day posts, they are null at best. I can say rasputin hts and the late sl throwing their opinions around but bats is just trying to counter without pushing too much. So with that I can see some reasoning behind the swing to him, I think a case could be made for bats today. Knowing the alignment of ls is a big step up here. It's been repeated that ls was sheeping bats, and that would not have been a super bright move for a team. From that alone I would say the ls flip was in bats favour. Maybe he isn't doing the most out of anybody but at least he has been doing something. On November 28 2014 16:42 batsnacks wrote: I'm having a hard time reading people in this game. I can't tell the difference between who's confused, misguided, mafia, or afk. This actually sums up my thoughts as well. It kind of explains to me why bats has been going after everybody without going after anybody. It's more of a feeling that he is not scum rather than that he is town. (usually) He's been asking good questions but only making one-liner reads and not putting forward any convincing cases. I think he is just unsure of where to go. So now is the time to step it up. We're on a roll so prove to me that you are town and let's lynch scum before I decide to vote you myself. | ||
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On December 01 2014 11:37 Hopeless1der wrote: But i dont wanna. meat is so clearly scum, cant i just coast another day? This is a little bit of sarcasm, but isn't he just pushing the easy lynch instead of making a case? Was the same coasting tactic as ls used. | ||
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On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Hopeless is massively scum. You guys are giving him a free pass for lurking? No town lurks this hard when they are almost gonna lose the game. scum does though, because apparently nobody wants to lynch him for it. I really cant believe that you guys dont think lurking is a legitimate scumtell. This late in the game, it is. Then he tries to push sicklucker by referencing his read on damdred? His points are not even legitimate. This reads so much like hopeless trying to create a lynch outta nothing. And for him to be actually doing stuff so he has some content. It sucks. LYNCH HOPELESS. This just takes me back to kush. We haven't had another ml since then. So you stepped in to defend kush for lurking, which unfortunalteyl didnlt work. But now you want to lynch hopeless for lurking. Now how much later in the game is it since kush was the only ml since then, and how does that make it so much different? I really want to see what you are thinking, you obviously have good reads but I can't follow them. Can you let me know your argument without just repeating your conclusion in caps? | ||
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On December 04 2014 11:09 Oatsmaster wrote: no, i defended kush cause he said stupid shit. Hopeless has said scummy shit. Like what? anything besides that sicklucker post? | ||
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On December 04 2014 11:45 rsoultin wrote: Oats has been half-defending bats and directing the lynch toward hopeless instead without actually saying that he thinks bats is town. You should probably just read the night posts for yourself and make your own judgment call. On December 04 2014 11:49 rsoultin wrote: Again, should probably just read the night posts. You'll see who SL was pushing and why. My problem with hopeless is he's basically a policy lynch, which at this point in the game I feel is insufficient unless you genuinely think all the rest of us are town. reading for myself definately, but I'm interested in what oats thinks of hopeless. Like I know oats said mopeless was scummy, and I want him to say why he thinks that. On SL, I see he was pushing for hopeless and bats but I didn't see him say why. | ||
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On December 04 2014 12:53 rsoultin wrote: Can probably find the quote for you, meat, but he really is just echoing me. HTS, SL and I were more or less in agreement last night before SL was killed. Take that as you will. I don't disagree with lynching hopeless on principle. Once again it looks like we're all going to be piling on the same person, though. Except bats who suddenly reversed who he wanted to vote without being able to explain it (at least not very well when I questioned his decision). Trying to tell me that you really think mafia is going to buss their last partner voluntarily when they just lost LS? I'm kind of surprised we're buying into the same mentality as yesterday. That's the thing, everyone says vote hl but noone can really say why. So really no one can agree on a second lynch as well. Though I agree with breshke, at this point policy is mostly a necessity. If we don't lynch and he turns out to be scum then what? At this point I still would vote but even when he flips it tells us nothing. | ||
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On December 04 2014 13:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I said why man meat. Have you even read his filter? It's not like there is a lot of posts, why can't you make up your own mind? What? I have said what I'm thinking so far. To repeat, it's voting hl. But I was looking into sl as well because he was saying the same thing but I wanted to be sure why he thought that. It turns out that his argument was poe. All you said on hopeless was that he was lurking and said scummy shit. We still have all day to consolidate on a vote and it can't be that hard. Again, it's not that I don't agree with your conclusion but why can't you go into what you think the scummy shit is? | ||
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On December 08 2014 21:47 meatpudding wrote: ##Vote Hopeless1der Sorry don't have time to post ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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