Student Mafia IV (New/Newish Players Welcome)

On November 25 2014 10:12 batsnacks wrote:
So damdred you agree with slight first reaction reads and you also agree with what Palmar said about them being generally wrong?

On November 25 2014 10:18 batsnacks wrote:
I'm talking to damdred oats, I even quoted the post I was responding to. Learn to context.

On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote:
I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now.

On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Your questions are intensely boring.

There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip. That's what I meant when I said "I don't really think it's a big deal actually" in the post immediately above your question.

kush is the most logical vote because he likes to take it easy as scum. If people vote him he'll be forced to contribute, which he is good at doing as town and not as scum.

On November 25 2014 10:15 batsnacks wrote:


I'd think you're insane but not because of scum reading hts. I was actually going to post something about bolded being tmi:



but I didn't. but now I am I guess. I don't really think it's a big deal actually.

On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:
Your questions are intensely boring.

There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip. That's what I meant when I said "I don't really think it's a big deal actually" in the post immediately above your question.

kush is the most logical vote because he likes to take it easy as scum. If people vote him he'll be forced to contribute, which he is good at doing as town and not as scum.

On November 25 2014 10:59 Damdred wrote:
Oats what do you think of half

On November 25 2014 11:09 batsnacks wrote:


I was responding to damdred.



If he doesn't post I don't need to move my vote? I'm happy to lynch kush d1 if he doesn't contribute. That's why I voted him.

On November 25 2014 11:20 batsnacks wrote:


No one, damdred said he was scum reading HTS and that post I quoted came to mind because it caught my attention.

On November 25 2014 11:58 Alakaslam wrote:
if it bothers you so much.

I'm responding promptly anyway so whatever.

On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

On November 19 2014 05:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Player List
1) Half the Sky
2) Breshke
3) rsoultin
4) Trfel
5) sicklucker[/url
6) LightningStrike
7) meatpudding
8) kushm4sta
9) batsnacks
10) Damdred
11) Alakaslam
12) Dicksmash McIroncock
13) Oatsmaster

Coach List
1) [UoN]Sentinel
2) GlowingBear
3) LoneMeow
4) Vivax

Replacement List
1) raynpelikoneet
2)
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10 of 10 Town-Aligned Players Remaining
3 of 3 Mafia-Aligned Players Remaining

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On November 25 2014 12:41 batsnacks wrote:

If all of this is true then your vote is in the right place and you should keep it there.


I don't think anything interesting is happening in the thread so I vote kush because he has a habit of not playing as scum. I don't see any harm in giving him a hill to climb, especially after last game.

On November 25 2014 13:13 batsnacks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster

step it up oats

On November 25 2014 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back from playing Pokemon Trading Card game with some friends and went to a late dinner at Red Robin so sorry about my activity T_T
Breshke just seems to be mad at sicklucker for what happened in our previous game :O
Batsnacks lost his mind or he is scum trying to go after kush but kush didn't post anything just yet so I don't got a read on kush.
Oatsmaster is town in my eyes as he is being very constructive on the agenda for Day 1.
Are we allow to sleep on anyday because I remember in my last game we had slept for 1 day and I wondering if we are allowed to becausee personally I don't think Day 1 lynching is a good idea because of possible afks or just having horrible reads.

On November 25 2014 14:57 Trfel wrote:

I'm honestly not sure if it is better to policy lynch or no lynch. Either way, there are definitely conflicting views in this thread (LightningStrike on the no lynch side, batsnacks on the policy lynch side, for example), so if there was clearly a right answer, there wouldn't be an argument over this, since the town could just prove that their answer was correct, and everyone else would either accept it or be lynched. Therefore, I can't read into his vote on kushm4sta. It's easy to unvote later if necessary. Meanwhile, if the vote causes him to post more, great. However, repeatedly asking others to also vote kushm4sta does seem strange, since we probably should be more interested in getting people to talk now. If policy lynching is the correct route (which I'm not sure), we can worry about that closer to the vote deadline. I would definitely like batsnacks to let up on kushm4sta, that is something to potentially return to later.

I agree with batsnacks on his view of Half the Sky, as I previously stated. Definitely doesn't seem to me like as clear of a town read as some other people think.

Batsnacks also seems to have slightly hinted that you (Oatsmaster) could be scum, which I suppose is possible, but I don't really see evidence for at the moment. Other than that, he hasn't really shared any constructive thoughts. Therefore, I would hope that he would start being more constructive in the near future, particularly by pushing for information on people who are posting (as opposed to kushm4sta), or I could definitely read him as scum.

On November 25 2014 15:40 kushm4sta wrote:
oats can you stop promoting spam. hts is obvious town and we don't need more content from him.

On November 25 2014 17:13 rsoultin wrote:
Played with Damdred before on another site. He loves his questions.
Breshke vote comes off trying to pressure SL back into the game (which I believe is what was claimed).

What value does a no-lynch vote hold? Avoiding hitting cop/doc or whatever? I tend to like some form of solid information, since at least three players are blowing smoke and sometimes others are too concerned about meta to be of much use. A lynch can get that solid info.

Scummiest to me right now is Bats and/or Oats, though take that with a grain of salt because I'm not feeling strongly about anyone as scum at the moment. The back and forth over Kush and who is contributing what is very white noise. Lot of blah and little helpful being said. Could just be getting sidetracked, or the argument is possibly staged.

^ My take from reading this thread half-asleep. You guys waste no time; I'll give you that.

On November 25 2014 17:40 rsoultin wrote:


This I find worth answering. Neither you nor Bat have inherently bad reasoning why to vote or not to vote Kush. As I said above, it's the back and forth nothing argument that I protest to.

On November 25 2014 22:36 batsnacks wrote:


Kush said he was acting pro-town, not being pro-town.

I agree with what kush said.

On November 25 2014 23:45 Damdred wrote:
Oats besides batsnacks. Who is scum?

I'm catching up but don't like a lot of posts so far

On November 26 2014 00:51 batsnacks wrote:
While oats is away, what posts don't you like damdred?

On November 26 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think LS is mafia based on his posting being highly similar to last game (he was cop)

On November 26 2014 01:55 kushm4sta wrote:


I'm caught up. On my phone.

Scum pile
Rasputin
very little content. I remember what's there being scummy.
ls
similar to above in that i don't remember precisely why he's scummy.
Damdred-stronger read
His tone reads like a know it all. His arguments defending his shit pushes make no sense.
Oats
I changed my mind on this one having read everything. His tunnel on bat is so superficial yet he's not letting it go.

On November 26 2014 01:57 batsnacks wrote:
He didn't have very many posts last game either, but his few posts then were similar to his few posts now.

And I brought up he was the cop for anyone that might not have been in that game.

On November 26 2014 02:07 kushm4sta wrote:


It doesn't say nothing at all. You are exaggerating.
And you Scum read him for his plynch idea whixh he wasn't even that serious about. That is a very superficial reason toScum read someone

On November 26 2014 09:42 batsnacks wrote:


Well to me oats looks like he's nitpicking and fucking off. I'm pretty sure every person oats has communicated with this game has accused him of the same. He doesn't even follow up on his nitpicking e.g. when he asked me this:


And I responded with this:

And NOTHING. Zero conclusions made. He is just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.

On November 26 2014 10:26 kushm4sta wrote:
oats, thoughts on dicksmash?

batsnacks lynch aint gonna happen.
neither is an oats lynch.

On November 26 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel point me toward what you think oats has gained and utilized from his nitpicking. All I see is people calling him out for it and people complaining about it.

On November 26 2014 10:30 batsnacks wrote:
I had an early townread on dicksmash because of this post:

He was the first to point this out and several other people sheeped it.

On November 26 2014 10:40 kushm4sta wrote:


hmm oats i don't agree with your "other people" point, but it is quite townie of you to pick up that detail.

On November 26 2014 10:51 batsnacks wrote:


I agree with his "other people" point, but I don't agree that it's quite townie of him to pick up on that detail considering I'm the only person he's talked about.

On November 26 2014 11:07 batsnacks wrote:
Oats seriously it shouldn't be hard for you to convince me you're town in this game. Give a good read on someone else it will go a long way.

You're halfway there already, I agree with your meatpudding read.

On November 26 2014 11:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually the way bats went after kush was really towny, Kush is the most lurky beligerent and breaking promises mafia person i've ever played with.

Town kush is just so different, which he is different here.

On November 26 2014 11:59 Damdred wrote:


Your last question is inherently stupid oats, i'm not saying at all that policy lynching someone is towny infact it is null townies can use policy lynching and mafia can as well.

I don't see as much what Bats was doing as much as it was pressure voting to get kush to do things or lurk more as mafia. Bats is aware of Kush meta and tried tos ee what he could get, I think the way bats went about it was towny and soon as kush showed up to do things and did them bats stopped on him.

On November 26 2014 13:06 Damdred wrote:


I just said that policy Is null in my post.

Kush has a specific meta, an easily faked one perhaps but still soon as kush did things bats went on to do other things. So yea I think what bats did was pressure more than policy but that's just imo

On November 26 2014 13:34 Damdred wrote:
Why are you trying to split hairs with me here oats? The vote was clearly a pressure move be it bats calling it policy or not.

Bats changed votes drew attention to a case on him just off the top my head

On November 26 2014 14:56 Damdred wrote:
All you are doing is splitting hairs and nitpicking oats. To me its more of a pressure vote rather than policy but its the same thing. Bats did something good for the thread got kush to participate.

SL I ask questions to others as well just some dodged me

On November 27 2014 07:14 Damdred wrote:
What in the world, why are you goin to let yourself get lynched like that without even claiming to save town, like WTF is that shit you don't even fucking defend yourself oh my god.

This just is really really frustrating

On November 27 2014 08:03 Damdred wrote:
I most actively pursued the lynch,

It was he said he had no time to read, but came away with a vote saying he read someones filters

He voted for said person even though he said someone else was scum and the person he voted he never said was scummy.

He asked questions with no follow up

Always took the middle ground

Dodged Questions posed by others

At time of his lynch he did not fight or claim he was medic or give any substantiated reads.

On November 27 2014 10:17 batsnacks wrote:
Can we be friends oats?

On November 27 2014 10:30 batsnacks wrote:

You wound me.

On November 27 2014 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
Oats can we be friends? Are you scum?

On November 27 2014 11:04 sicklucker wrote:
Oats what do you think of breske being a potential partner of bats. Gets cred for voting him when it doesint matter, gets town cred for not mislynching?

On November 27 2014 12:40 sicklucker wrote:
My meta read on dandred. Only way hes mafia is if its with bats. He would not bother making his own case there if it was two towns up for vote. So by going after bats if thats still a thing we could clear him by association.

On November 27 2014 12:45 sicklucker wrote:
Theres 0 mafia motivation for damdred to push on dick if hes not with bats. Its acually pretty simple

On November 27 2014 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I'm not for pushing bats if the only reason is to see if Damdred is guilty or not by association, not if people don't think bats is mafia. Giant waste of time. If you think Damdred is the more likely scum, go after him. If you don't really think either are, we should be looking at other players.

On November 27 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote:


He doesint have to go that hard tho. The basically confirmed mafia dandred in my other game sat back and laughed as town lynched town for the first four days. I called him out for this. Here your telling me he would try to get himself involved If both horses are town? My Reads better

On November 27 2014 13:01 meatpudding wrote:


Why do you think rsoultin is scummy?

On November 27 2014 13:03 batsnacks wrote:
Oats if you focus on what I mean instead of what I say I guarantee I'm not scummy.

On November 27 2014 12:48 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah, I'm not for pushing bats if the only reason is to see if Damdred is guilty or not by association, not if people don't think bats is mafia. Giant waste of time. If you think Damdred is the more likely scum, go after him. If you don't really think either are, we should be looking at other players.

On November 27 2014 23:26 Damdred wrote:
I answered every thing that trefel put forth, my case on DSIM was and is good even if he flipped town so go suck an egg.

Nothing was over justified at all

On November 27 2014 23:32 Damdred wrote:
Either way I love how you say that i'm overjustified on everything but you aren't jumping on other people who are actually justfying themselves or their vote or scum read 10x as much as what you perceive.

Anyway I won't be here until about5-6 tonight really busy day today so not sure before that if i can pop in

In fact, you probably have more against me than you do him lol.

On November 28 2014 08:53 batsnacks wrote:
Actually I shouldn't let myself get sucked in to this.

##unvote
##vote: alakaslam

On November 28 2014 09:17 batsnacks wrote:
I think I have a bad habit of taking it for granted that people should just understand some basic things.

On November 28 2014 10:35 sicklucker wrote:
Kush is a possible partner. Kush loves randomly busing his team mates from what ive seen.

On November 28 2014 11:13 Damdred wrote:
Bats and Damdred duh

On November 28 2014 11:29 Damdred wrote:
Yep, hes done it before like this in cell though so its not like its a remote incident.

Overall i'm more frustrated with the way people are scum hunting this day, even if you disagree with my case oats and say its shit at least its legitimate scum hunting. And not the undefensible wifom and unflipped association things that are going on right now.

On November 28 2014 11:31 rsoultin wrote:
So this may just be a bias on my part but why in the world would bats and/or Damdred as scum choose to kill the one guy calling them out as scum, especially when Damdred pushed the vote on Dicks?

It's so obviously an attempt by mafia to get everyone gunning for these two it's laughable. SL, if you're trying to get a conversation going, great. Now back off. Unless you just assume mafia is stupid as shit, this is the last move you should be making.

On November 28 2014 11:59 kushm4sta wrote:
oats what is wrong with voting alakaslam?

On November 28 2014 12:39 Damdred wrote:
Do you think that bats is the best shot at scum today?

On November 28 2014 15:20 Damdred wrote:
I probably have at some point but can't remember which game if not all. Maybe its more that it makes me sullen and bitter people think I'm bad enough to pick the worst possible nk right then. Anyway

Half
Meat
Slam

On November 28 2014 15:51 batsnacks wrote:
Oats penny for your thoughts on slam/meat

On November 28 2014 16:20 Breshke wrote:
I seriously am having doubts about damdred. I don't like that I can't understand how he has a town read on bats nor is he doubting this town read at all.

If bats is scum and damdred is town those night kills are great for him (bats) because even if he gets lynched when he flips scum it looks terrible for damdred.

On November 28 2014 16:20 batsnacks wrote:

You did say repeatedly day 1 that you didn't like meat. You said you didn't like the content of his list post and some other stuff I think. Your reads are consistent and reasonable for the most part I'm not looking for holes or anything. I just want to know what you think about lynching meat vs lynching slam.

On November 28 2014 16:21 sicklucker wrote:



Maybe we should push meat I thought this post was weird what do you think? I remember I did find some legit holes in his story I honesty forget what ill look it up when im not tired. Maybe someone else can point it out. This is the kind of random vote I expect a mafia to make to keep his hands clean from a two town race.

On November 28 2014 16:25 Breshke wrote:


I dont flip flop. I say i don't understand how damdred is reading bats town and furthermore IF damdred is town his entire spill about the nightkills being horrible isnt true if bats is scum and he hasn't even seemed to consider it.

He would be in my third lynch position if meat and slam did town stuff

On November 28 2014 16:31 batsnacks wrote:

I like that rsoultin doesn't think I'm mafia but that's all really.

In retrospect he only started not thinking I'm mafia after I called him out on something, so he could just be taking the path of least resistance, which would be scummy.

On November 28 2014 16:45 batsnacks wrote:
Laughing at me or with me? :/

On November 28 2014 17:12 batsnacks wrote:

You know I'm not mafia, right?

There are bits and pieces of this and that but nothing I'd stake a case on.

On November 28 2014 18:30 rsoultin wrote:
@Oats...

Most confident? As in, of all the players meat is the one you are most confident is town? Really? Can I ask why?

On November 29 2014 18:59 meatpudding wrote:

Can you give an idea of why you think that?

On November 29 2014 19:19 meatpudding wrote:

Well yeah... but are you really saying that going afk under pressure confirms town?

On November 29 2014 22:18 Half the Sky wrote:


Neither individual is helping the town agenda (both have promoted policy votes over scum votes for example).
Looking at both Bats and Kush (as my current vote is on Bats) and using the above as a checklist for Kush:

#1 - Check. I had pointed out the D1 argument on page 51, but why does Kush expect any of us to think that D1 makes him a townie? Reads with the exception of the one Kush did on his phone have been weak/unsupported. Bats' voting D1 was a problem, but the gap between voting Damdred and then jumping to DSMI is even worse given the arguments he used to try and sell that vote. He pushed that vote well before Damdred did.

#2 - Check. Bats has dodged questions from three people this game (Oats, Breshke, myself). Kush isn't saying much of anything to begin with, but he dodged Oats on the Damdred read.

#3 - Check. Kush is way more sporadic than Bats, Thanksgiving is forgiveable, but afterwards, even Bats hasn't afked.

#4 - Check. At least I remember Bats for being overly defensive. Kush's filter on the other hand, I have had to filter dive three times in the last 12 hours.

I'd say he's topped Bats in the scum category.

##unvote
##vote kushm4sta

On November 30 2014 01:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, I had drawn a few conclusions before I went to bed last night. I pointed to the inconsistency in Kush's D1 post when I made my top three scrum reads with Kush being one of them. I had bought in to Kushs argument based on the urgency from DSMI. After DSMI was proven town, I revisited his post and made the comparisons.

As for the overexplained part, I am making sure I can follow the logic used by others to go after Kush. I might not be the first one posting here but I failed to probe harder when Kush made his pitch for DSMI. I did not want to make the same mistake again for a vote on Kush. I spent more time filter diving for a reason.

I am scrum hunting and checking what is already being put out is right.

Which is why I used the above checklist as a guide. Does this make sense?

On November 30 2014 01:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, I had drawn a few conclusions before I went to bed last night. I pointed to the inconsistency in Kush's D1 post when I made my top three scrum reads with Kush being one of them. I had bought in to Kushs argument based on the urgency from DSMI. After DSMI was proven town, I revisited his post and made the comparisons.

As for the overexplained part, I am making sure I can follow the logic used by others to go after Kush. I might not be the first one posting here but I failed to probe harder when Kush made his pitch for DSMI. I did not want to make the same mistake again for a vote on Kush. I spent more time filter diving for a reason.

I am scrum hunting and checking what is already being put out is right.

Which is why I used the above checklist as a guide. Does this make sense?

On November 30 2014 01:19 Damdred wrote:
##Vote Half

Look guys at his filter. He spends most of his time discrediting people for the push yesterday, spends a great amount of time on me but then never talks about me at all once he votes bat and doesn't even put me in his top scum list. I'm not even sure exactly why hes off of bats and unto kush besides that its the vote gaining the most traction.

Hes probably scum here

On November 30 2014 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:

Oats: It is equally probable that Kush is staying low to make you think he's not scum.

On November 30 2014 10:07 sicklucker wrote:
I doubt that man. Like how many lynches till lylo one? were in alot of trouble

On November 30 2014 10:11 sicklucker wrote:
The sketchy voting makes alot of mafia teams possible. Were gonna have to go with the most likely one. Oats didnt you do what you just accused your mafia team of doing?

On November 30 2014 10:43 sicklucker wrote:



Maybe Ls is town if bats is. Hes just following him around like a puppy. If bats is town I like ls. kts is town I dont like either.

On November 30 2014 10:48 sicklucker wrote:
Is he tho? Either way the one thing im sure of is Hopeless1der Is probably town for moving the lynch off of kush. He was the one who pointed out the thing about a tie break. Even this is a bit sketchy because he might think kush is getting mod killed. But I think experienced players know kush is gonna get replaced not mod killed. Can anyone add to this?

On November 30 2014 11:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
ergo i must look bad. thanks oats. btw to your "placeholder" argument, the only reason i came back was BH sent a voting reminder. I was still reading the thread, any vote i placed would have probably changed.

On November 30 2014 22:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, so overhauling everything I've done so far. Back to the drawing board.

RNG hates us enough not giving us a cop. But I was worried through last night of a scum team with three veterans.
At two lynches from LYLO one, there is a decent chance one of the lurkers is scum. Possibly two. Meat, Hopeless, LS.
I'm saying this without filter diving, just based off numbers and given how this group collectively is playin
Im sure there is one vet on the team. Again general comment, no evidence. Possible vets, Damdred, Bats, Oats, Hopeless

Facts about voting.
I believe it was either of Breshke or Meat that pushed Kush, originally.
Oats pushed me. I'm not sure how he confused me with LS as he quoted me at least twice going back and forth.
LS sheeped the entire time.
Breshke could have hammered anyone but didn't.
Damdred missed hammering me by presumably seconds.
Rasputin could have hammered me but didn't.

Because if I had to guess, there was at least one scum likely two in the lynch mob.

I'm thinking two of these scum are Meat and Lightning especially considering Lightning sheeped 100%.
Third one is a vet.
I'm putting it as a tossup between Hopeless and Oats.
Regarding the latter, Oats said I wasn't taking responsibility for my votes, yet his explanation for pushing me seems quite ironic.

Again all first instincts based from last night. I'm going to read Bats case against Rasputin because I never got to through much before EoD.
But N2 lynch yet to occur...

On November 30 2014 22:24 Half the Sky wrote:

Also SL no one has counterclaimed Breshke on RB, I'm confused on how this isn't reliable?

On December 01 2014 11:37 Hopeless1der wrote:

But i dont wanna. meat is so clearly scum, cant i just coast another day?

On December 01 2014 12:26 rsoultin wrote:


Lol that would be true except my name keeps appearing in their lists too . Which is why I think if everyone's on him, he's town. With that 6:3 ratio, we hit another town today we're down 4:3. SL probably gets killed tonight, lynch me tomorrow. That's game. No need to sacrifice scum to do it.

Not like there are a lot of town reads everyone agrees on, yeah?

On December 01 2014 17:34 Breshke wrote:
Im interested in hearing from Oats and Hopeless scum teams when they are around.

On December 01 2014 20:42 batsnacks wrote:
What's sad is at least 1 townie is voting lightning.

On December 01 2014 21:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Breshke, you are forgetting one important piece of the puzzle here.

If Meat does NOT return, he gets modkilled.
We are lylo one, we have to take that into account.

On December 01 2014 21:34 sicklucker wrote:
Ok so I was curious and I went through bats filter looking for things on ls. He literately ignored the fact hes even in this game. He mentions him twice early and town reading, another saying GJ!. Man I think we have them, their interactions are so strange

On December 01 2014 22:17 sicklucker wrote:
Justify what? Im pointing out different scenarios in case were wrong

On December 01 2014 22:24 Half the Sky wrote:


Am I breaking any rules by mentioning this? This is a serious question. Because I think I actually did break the rules once this game. (Hint: Rasputin/Breshke already drew attention to it.)

Otherwise, I'm confused. Is there a general rule I'm not aware of? Kush would have been modkilled D2. This is not a new issue this game.

On December 02 2014 10:54 sicklucker wrote:


Breske thinks bats is town, which makes you likely mafia by poe

On December 02 2014 11:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
meatpudding dies today. In the meantime I want someone (not sicklucker) to comment on the following:

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Series of damdred related quotes from sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler +
Once again, sicklucker was on Damdred's team in his previous game. He was not reading him, but he claims to have developed the innate ability to read damdred (and slam) since he just played with them together as scum. How does that claim not bother anyone? How does that even make sense? I do not like the way that his read on damdred develops. I do not like the way that he tries to take credit for damdred being nked. His story changes constantly and he is being townread for being insane.

On December 02 2014 11:49 Breshke wrote:


Was it even a read? What train of thought do you think hopeless is going down here oats?

On December 02 2014 14:57 Breshke wrote:
Oats what makes you so sure on LS other than the entire second on the list thing? I'm willing to vote him today but I feel meat would be just as good. Why do you prefer LS arn't they both on your lynch list?

On December 02 2014 21:48 meatpudding wrote:
Oh oats I guess I owe you an apology. You were right about kush all along. But the problem is that you did a crappy job of convincing me or anyone else. I dind't have any reason to believe you especially when the way I was reading him was different to yours. I guess you have played together before still it's pretty easy to change your play especially when you're not posting much, right?

On December 03 2014 09:04 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, you have a backup in case Hopeless flips town? I get the guy is pretty afk, but he is borderline policy lynch to me.

On December 03 2014 09:36 Breshke wrote:
Oats who is town between meat and bats?

On December 03 2014 09:52 Breshke wrote:


The way meat went onto LS seemed very releuctant to me but thats only from what i remember. Also if you had to pick a scum between rsoultin, HTS and SL which would it be.

On December 03 2014 11:39 sicklucker wrote:



I think that bats/ls being the two people to vote meat after me makes him a likely town. So we vote bats out next almost certainly. If he shows mafia we never vote out meat its too unlikely.

On December 03 2014 17:07 sicklucker wrote:
Your amusing bats is a good player. Everything youve said about him meta wise makes me think otherwise

On December 03 2014 18:22 rsoultin wrote:


It's actually something SL said that makes me itchy. Oats vs. bats. Why? What about the LS vs. meat voting made it oats vs. bats? I remember you being one of the last people to vote for meat, perhaps the last, bringing the vote to 7. Did that not raise a red flag for you then? You've been more or less non-committal about bats, though he's been throwing you under the bus any chance he can. That argument the first day set the stage for an oats vs. bats game. You're coming back hard at me for commenting that you're not a firm town read for me, but have you bothered to defend yourself from him? I don't recall that you have. You're worth taking a second look at.



As for this...very townie? I could see, if you think that your newbie scummate is gonna give himself away, telling him to sheep a town people already don't trust. That's why I'm asking people what they think. I'm deliberately trying to think of reasons that bats might be town cause...as already said...super biased. Finding a very townie player isn't a bad strategy either to ride the coattails of for as long as possible. But what about bats makes him a strong townie player? He was in the race for scum day 1. Still being mentioned day 2 but we went for policy lynches instead.

I've been questioning him ever since EoD 2, and now you're telling me LS sheeping him proves he's town because he's a very townie player. That's...weird. What about bats' play this game is so very 'townie' oats? Maybe my newb eyes are just blind.

On December 02 2014 11:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
meatpudding dies today. In the meantime I want someone (not sicklucker) to comment on the following:

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Series of damdred related quotes from sicklucker:
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Once again, sicklucker was on Damdred's team in his previous game. He was not reading him, but he claims to have developed the innate ability to read damdred (and slam) since he just played with them together as scum. How does that claim not bother anyone? How does that even make sense? I do not like the way that his read on damdred develops. I do not like the way that he tries to take credit for damdred being nked. His story changes constantly and he is being townread for being insane.

On December 03 2014 23:03 sicklucker wrote:
Bats
Hopeless
Meat

Is mine too. And I feel like this is auto. Mafia feel free to surrender dont think were ever changing are minds

On December 03 2014 23:14 rsoultin wrote:
Bm? I am really behind on the acronyms thrown out lately.

On December 03 2014 23:29 Half the Sky wrote:
Oats, let me ask you a few questions. I won't speak for anyone else, but I personally do not understand your position.

First, we're not giving him a free pass. At least I'm not, and it doesn't appear anyone else is either. If we were, then we'd be calling him town. I don't believe anyone at this point has called him town. At least, I'm not.



My problem with the above is that Hopeless HAS cited a RL (work) for his AFKness.
RL is irrelevant to whether someone in this game is town or scum, yeah people can lie, but since EoD D2, he has posted where he will be. I have my doubts.



To me it is however it's not the only one, and it is not the strongest. I fail to see how lurking alone overrides the scummy behaviour in Bats. If you don't think Bats is scummy, you have not given a counterargument for that, and if you have, please quote it.

Now Hopeless' quote.



To me it doesn't make sense. I understand your point on this. And that's why some of us are putting him on the list, but he's not number one. Bats is number one for all actions cited through the game - not just one post, not just one action.

The above is the only action that you can demonstrate, and Bats's problems are an aggregate from all three days. And I don't understand how someone as experienced as you are can ignore this.

To me it appears you are sidestepping Bats altogether.

On December 03 2014 23:40 Half the Sky wrote:
TLDR version of my last post:

Oats, make a case that one post from Hopeless carries more weight than the aggregate of Bats' behaviour over three days.

On December 04 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:


I'm not sure that scum voted meat so speak for yourself.

On December 04 2014 09:20 rsoultin wrote:
I can see your point, Breshke. I'll go through the threads and see what is there.

The other purpose for that post could be to take suspicion off Oats if bats and Oats are working together, though, so going to leave my vote where it is. Could buy the whole I don't think thing, but I'm still not good with policy lynches over scum reads. So I'll go digging as you suggested bats. Give me some reads while I do so, will you? Hope is just one player.

On December 04 2014 11:49 rsoultin wrote:


Again, should probably just read the night posts. You'll see who SL was pushing and why.

My problem with hopeless is he's basically a policy lynch, which at this point in the game I feel is insufficient unless you genuinely think all the rest of us are town.

On December 04 2014 17:24 rsoultin wrote:
It's that attitude that bothers me about you, Oats. You're always so certain of everything. I wish I could have your certainty, though I rather suspect that if I did it would be because I knew everyone's alignment.

On November 28 2014 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah pretty much.


Hes a straight up coinflip.
We only have 1 more lynch before either mylo or lylo.
Lets not lynch a coinflip.

On December 05 2014 15:52 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, I do see your point, was just curious.

If you don't think bats is scum, hopeless is the obvious vote. No arguments here on that one. And you said you had a null read on him. If you've got reasons he isn't scummy I'd like to hear them. You were on him Day 1, but then that changed, and I don't remember why.