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Lightning, I'm in the same boat. My previous games of mafia (or werewolf in some cases) people weren't quite as involved, not as serious. Also the first time I've played with the majority contingent in a different timezone, but I've not found that to be a problem.
To add to rsoultin's list, along the lines of #1, I also look for whether a claim can be supported. The person making a claim should be able to support it, although that person doesn't always have to be quoting support every time. If you cannot follow the logic or find reasonable backup, ask away. If they fail #2, you're probably onto something.
The only hazard with #4 is that whilst it's a good measure for yourself, you need to be wary if someone else says "this is forgettable", especially if it's an accusation against them.
All else said, Hopeless, welcome to the show.
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Also Lightning, can you describe what you perceive to be the scumlike behaviour for Batsnacks, given your revised list?
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Hi guys.
Sorry I couldn't post. I went to school after the storm hit but they closed the labs for repair. I can't post form my phone 
Anyway caught up now. I wanted to post my thoughts at the end of night, but it's pretty much moot now.
Also, I wanted to push on slam, but because of the replacement I would change my read from scum to null.
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So, my top scum read right now is kush.
I'm on the fence about both Bats and Damdred. On bats, I haven't really been reading him as scummy for most of the game. So far, each case I have seen is not convincing enough for me. His posts are either null or town leaning for the most part. In fact, I would have put bats as a town lean which is the most likely scenario, except for something which make me consider a world where he is scum. His outright agreement with kush being the main thing. I haven't been convinced and I don't buy that bats would read kush town after such a brief amount of posting. So, because I feel that it's about 60-40 that he is town, I am calling it a fence read.
On Damdred, I was leaning scum D1, but after that I have no strong feelings one way or the other. It's pretty obvious that he's not scum team with sicklucker as I first thought. And I doubt that he is scum team with bats. It could be the case, but I think a better guess is kush/bats or kush/damdred. Damdred's posts come off to me as distractions to town. He is acting very defensive about everything. He is asking questions often, but I don't see how they shape his reads. I feel like he is pushing on everyone who makes any kind of statement against him, but is just trying to corner them or wear them down in a 'do you really think that' kind of way. So, I don't really agree with his reads at all and I feel like he should have come a lot further than he has, considering his post count. I don't get his defence of bats, though I am inclined to believe that bats could be town maybe damd is trying to pocket.
On kush, I have seen him as the most scummy player so far.
He lurked D1 and basically didn't post anything except to directly answer questions. I think this is not even a null read, this is scummy, there is very little put forward to help town.
What bothers me more about this is that even though he has not done anything to earn a town read, I feel like he has been given a free pass to the game. So I'm not sure what to make of this. Would his scum partner have the balls to say that kush is def town? I think that is a pretty bold move but it's wifom to think about.
His D2 reads have been no better, and basically random. Breske? (lol) HtS? I don't feel that either. Is he just trying to see what sticks and jump on a wagon without making a case? Meanwhile he I feel like he is being covered for by a partner. Either that or town is being really dopey.
LS i am null leaning scum. I think he pretty much takes slam's place on the list. Something about his posts has kind of bothered me, like he's lurking but not pushing. What makes me suspicious enough to call scum is that kush never mentions him nor interacts with him at all. He gives a D1 scum read with no backup and then just drops on it. Hm.
My town reads from least to most are oats, HtS, rasputin, sicklucker and breshke. The last three especially are pretty legit.
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First off lol >< I do have to apologize to you meat. I was wrong. I must have looked at your filter five times and still screwed up the timestamp on your posts. You did post the question about a read on HTS a half hour before your Marry/Bang/Kill post, so that's my bad.
November 25 2014 17:58
On November 26 2014 08:58 rsoultin wrote:Gonna help you out here, SL. rsoultin. Spell the name right, bro. Now I know you want to push Breske for pushing you in the beginning, and I didn't jump on that bandwagon. But I'll concede that you may be town and just bad at this whole let's set a trap thing. (I mean, really, what were you expecting out of that?) It doesn't seem like a mafia move just cause it's too stupid. So I won't push you, bro.  On a sidenote, where is the meatpudding? He was all gungho yesterday, talking about all his spare time...
November 25, 2014 18:18
On November 26 2014 09:18 meatpudding wrote:
Ok, here's where I stand right now. If you're name's not on the list then consider it a null read for the time being.
Marry
Breshke
Bang
HTS
Trfel
Kill
Damdred
sicklucker
Before that you had made your short post.
November 25, 2014 17:37
On November 26 2014 08:37 meatpudding wrote:
HTS, do you have any read on kush?
For some reason I confused the timestamp with the one on this post:
November 24, 2014 18:11
On November 25 2014 09:11 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:41 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:36 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:27 meatpudding wrote:
Student mafia, eh.... Did you know? Sperm whales have the largest brain of any animal. Cool stuff what do you think of the couple things that have been posted so far I have my eye on sicklucker. Not really sure what he's up to but I expect he's fishing for reads. I would like to see what he comes up with by end of day. Otherwise I'm marking it as suspicious. I know its not much posted so far but is there anyone else you are looking at or hinking about? Not really. Breshke and HtS look like they're trying to reason their way through the game. You're asking lots of questions which is good. Not enough info for me to put you on by bang list. On November 25 2014 08:39 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
imo day ones are stupid. I never take too much info out of day one but I do try to get some and start the game rolling I try to take charge as town. Im certainly not going to vote breske because of it , this is the kind of thing you look back at when you have more information. Kind of agree with your day one idea. Not to say that it's stupid, but it takes some time to make a decent read. On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 07:26 Half the Sky wrote:On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:On November 25 2014 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
boring im town again afk Looks like we found our d1 lynch already ##Vote: Sicklucker Are you voting him down because he's serious and just trolling or because you're a baddie trying to lynch a good guy? Granted this is my first ever TLM game so you probably know this lad more than I do...just saying. I can read that either way. This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read Anyone could have said this. It's not uncommon to have a policy lynch on lurkers. I don't know why you would come out and say that it looks town. Unless you're going to say that it's a meta-play and you're trying to judge Breshke on his reaction to you saying he's town, but then you could say that everything is a play and you wouldn't have to be held to anything you said.Anyway on the topic of policy, I wouldn't necessarily lynch all lurkers on day 1. Only if there was no reasonable candidate scum lynch. Could you alk more about the bolded and where lurker lynch/policy lynch came from. Maybe I could explain the bolded part a bit better. sicklucker opens by saying he's going to afk. I guess he was fishing for a reaction from someone and Breshke jumps in and votes, because an afk town is essentially useless. (Though I would usually let the modkill go through). Now sicklucker isn't playing afk at all, he seems to be poking and fishing around for responses. Could be ok, or could be suspicious. I think it was way too early to give a town read for that just based on Breshke's response. Really easy for anyone to make that call. Now, since sicklucker backflipped on the afk deal, maybe he is just saying Breshke is town, and fishing for more info, or maybe he really is posting that as a read. If it's a genuine read, I don't really think it's justified based on that small interaction. If it's fishing, then I can't really trust any of his reads because he can use that excuse to drop false information. Actually on first read I thought he was saying that Breshke's vote was townie, but now it looks like he was saying HtS's defense was townie. Hm, maybe it's not so bad. Would like to hear whar sicklucker is really thinking now. Often in other games players have put forward a Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policy. I don't really agree with these but I was wondering if anyone else follows policy votes. Also in other games we have posted our reads in Marry/Bang/Kill format. I'll be doing that once some more people have posted.
So no, you did not suddenly start posting when I asked where you were. That is my bad. And you were right about posting 30 minutes before. All that leaves in terms of why I was questioning you was the unexplained time gap of almost 24 hrs between the last post linked above and the request for a read on HTS. I thought you were avoiding the question, but I was asking it wrong because I'm a dolt. Could you explain that gap please?
If you can, I no longer have any issues with you, especially if you remain active now. Meh I need to learn to timestamp better.
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scum might just get lucky enough that im too busy to do anything today
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On November 29 2014 10:35 rsoultin wrote:First off lol >< I do have to apologize to you meat. I was wrong. I must have looked at your filter five times and still screwed up the timestamp on your posts. You did post the question about a read on HTS a half hour before your Marry/Bang/Kill post, so that's my bad. November 25 2014 17:58 Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 08:58 rsoultin wrote:Gonna help you out here, SL. rsoultin. Spell the name right, bro. Now I know you want to push Breske for pushing you in the beginning, and I didn't jump on that bandwagon. But I'll concede that you may be town and just bad at this whole let's set a trap thing. (I mean, really, what were you expecting out of that?) It doesn't seem like a mafia move just cause it's too stupid. So I won't push you, bro. On a sidenote, where is the meatpudding? He was all gungho yesterday, talking about all his spare time... November 25, 2014 18:18 Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 09:18 meatpudding wrote:
Ok, here's where I stand right now. If you're name's not on the list then consider it a null read for the time being.
Marry
Breshke
Bang
HTS
Trfel
Kill
Damdred
sicklucker Before that you had made your short post. November 25, 2014 17:37 Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 08:37 meatpudding wrote:
HTS, do you have any read on kush? For some reason I confused the timestamp with the one on this post: November 24, 2014 18:11 Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 09:11 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:41 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:36 Damdred wrote:On November 25 2014 08:27 meatpudding wrote:
Student mafia, eh.... Did you know? Sperm whales have the largest brain of any animal. Cool stuff what do you think of the couple things that have been posted so far I have my eye on sicklucker. Not really sure what he's up to but I expect he's fishing for reads. I would like to see what he comes up with by end of day. Otherwise I'm marking it as suspicious. I know its not much posted so far but is there anyone else you are looking at or hinking about? Not really. Breshke and HtS look like they're trying to reason their way through the game. You're asking lots of questions which is good. Not enough info for me to put you on by bang list. On November 25 2014 08:39 meatpudding wrote:On November 25 2014 08:20 sicklucker wrote:
imo day ones are stupid. I never take too much info out of day one but I do try to get some and start the game rolling I try to take charge as town. Im certainly not going to vote breske because of it , this is the kind of thing you look back at when you have more information. Kind of agree with your day one idea. Not to say that it's stupid, but it takes some time to make a decent read. On November 25 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2014 07:26 Half the Sky wrote:On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:On November 25 2014 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
boring im town again afk Looks like we found our d1 lynch already ##Vote: Sicklucker Are you voting him down because he's serious and just trolling or because you're a baddie trying to lynch a good guy? Granted this is my first ever TLM game so you probably know this lad more than I do...just saying. I can read that either way. This is pretty townie. This got me at least one slight town read Anyone could have said this. It's not uncommon to have a policy lynch on lurkers. I don't know why you would come out and say that it looks town. Unless you're going to say that it's a meta-play and you're trying to judge Breshke on his reaction to you saying he's town, but then you could say that everything is a play and you wouldn't have to be held to anything you said.Anyway on the topic of policy, I wouldn't necessarily lynch all lurkers on day 1. Only if there was no reasonable candidate scum lynch. Could you alk more about the bolded and where lurker lynch/policy lynch came from. Maybe I could explain the bolded part a bit better. sicklucker opens by saying he's going to afk. I guess he was fishing for a reaction from someone and Breshke jumps in and votes, because an afk town is essentially useless. (Though I would usually let the modkill go through). Now sicklucker isn't playing afk at all, he seems to be poking and fishing around for responses. Could be ok, or could be suspicious. I think it was way too early to give a town read for that just based on Breshke's response. Really easy for anyone to make that call. Now, since sicklucker backflipped on the afk deal, maybe he is just saying Breshke is town, and fishing for more info, or maybe he really is posting that as a read. If it's a genuine read, I don't really think it's justified based on that small interaction. If it's fishing, then I can't really trust any of his reads because he can use that excuse to drop false information. Actually on first read I thought he was saying that Breshke's vote was townie, but now it looks like he was saying HtS's defense was townie. Hm, maybe it's not so bad. Would like to hear whar sicklucker is really thinking now. Often in other games players have put forward a Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policy. I don't really agree with these but I was wondering if anyone else follows policy votes. Also in other games we have posted our reads in Marry/Bang/Kill format. I'll be doing that once some more people have posted. So no, you did not suddenly start posting when I asked where you were. That is my bad. And you were right about posting 30 minutes before. All that leaves in terms of why I was questioning you was the unexplained time gap of almost 24 hrs between the last post linked above and the request for a read on HTS. I thought you were avoiding the question, but I was asking it wrong because I'm a dolt. Could you explain that gap please? If you can, I no longer have any issues with you, especially if you remain active now. Meh I need to learn to timestamp better.
Oops I think that was when I was working on the map analyser. If you're into starcraft you should check it out in the custom maps forum. Oh I probably should have posted that evening though.
If I remember correctly that was when bats/oats showed up. It was a bit of a shitstorm I didn't really have much to contribute but tried to follow it as well. I noticed that's when Kush showed up as well, but only posted a few times.
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On November 29 2014 10:42 kushm4sta wrote:
scum might just get lucky enough that im too busy to do anything today
Without any defense I have no reason not to ##Vote kushm4sta
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Got a link? I'm not but I'd still like to see your map, lol. Some friends are.
And yeah the shitstorm had me very grumpy. That and probably jet lag, but I'm going to pretend it was all them yup. Bats switched his vote to Oats right before kush came in. Inclined to follow suit on that vote with you, meatpudding. Yet another non-post by Kush.
Most I've seen from him was his helping to push Dicks with Damdred.
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On November 29 2014 11:05 rsoultin wrote:
Got a link? I'm not but I'd still like to see your map, lol. Some friends are.
And yeah the shitstorm had me very grumpy. That and probably jet lag, but I'm going to pretend it was all them yup. Bats switched his vote to Oats right before kush came in. Inclined to follow suit on that vote with you, meatpudding. Yet another non-post by Kush.
Most I've seen from him was his helping to push Dicks with Damdred.
Check my sig, it's not really on topic for this thread.
So far I haven't really bought into the case on bats, as I said above. But he's one of the people who gave kush town cred, when I clearly feel he doesn't deserve it at all. This could be a meta read by bats, and I don't like it. I'm still a newb player but I;ve never seen so much meta than in this thread. It's pretty easy to game the meta, so I don't read too much into those arguments.
Another scenario is that kush, bats are the same alignment. It would be an extremely forward move to town read your buddy just like that. But maybe he would try it because we would never expect it. Wifom, etc....
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Im actually not liking kush much at all and i like that vote meatpudding.
Kush why havn't you been diving filters and making reads if im not mistaken this is something you only have drive to do as town? Have you done any scumhunting at all since D1 other than calling me scum and hardly even justifying it?
##Vote kushm4sta
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bats is still reading neutral for me. I call him on discrepancies, and he gets defensive and says he doesn't care or it doesn't matter. the discrepancies themselves usually don't, but that he's contradicting himself so often...null read imo, at least for now
kush, though...you're right that it's very odd he hasn't been in the spotlight more. people jumping on damdred left and right for the dicks push but not kush, who was also pretty heavily involved? (and involved in practically nothing else, for that matter)
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On November 29 2014 10:00 meatpudding wrote:Hi guys. Sorry I couldn't post. I went to school after the storm hit but they closed the labs for repair. I can't post form my phone Anyway caught up now. I wanted to post my thoughts at the end of night, but it's pretty much moot now. [B]Also, I wanted to push on slam, but because of the replacement I would change my read from scum to null.[B/]
How does this matter at all?
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Meat scum reads me and votes me. Now he doesint even mention me in his reads???????
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On November 29 2014 11:20 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2014 10:00 meatpudding wrote:Hi guys. Sorry I couldn't post. I went to school after the storm hit but they closed the labs for repair. I can't post form my phone Anyway caught up now. I wanted to post my thoughts at the end of night, but it's pretty much moot now. [B]Also, I wanted to push on slam, but because of the replacement I would change my read from scum to null.[B/] How does this matter at all?
My main reason for reading scum on slam was that he was lurking, so I don't have a case now.
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On November 29 2014 11:21 sicklucker wrote:
Meat scum reads me and votes me. Now he doesint even mention me in his reads???????
I'm not reading you as scum anymore SL. I put you in my reads as nearly top town. I don't see you as pushing the scum agenda at all.
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Oh wait no he called me his top two town.
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I really hope kush is mafia he rolls over.
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Well I'll catch up and make a case today morrow but I think slight misunderstanding of kush meta as scum. Though he is a possible scum
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<b>##unvote meatpudding
##vote kushm4sta</b>
Not reading meat as town yet. Consider it probation. But dropping him to null, slight-scum read. Onto bigger and better fish.
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