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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 00:29 GMT
#331
On November 26 2014 09:27 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 09:21 meatpudding wrote:
I haven't really made good reads on most people. Some players are spamming and trolling a lot. Not really able to get a good idea.

bats and oats seem to know each other and are talking a lot. I would like to see you two focus less on each other.


HTS

Being very defensive. At least he is asking stuff and showing some reasoning. I think he is fairly cautious but nothing stands out that would make me call him scummy. In fact I would lean town on HTS at this point.

Breshke

His first vote for sicklucker is not alignment indicative in any way. At least it put some pressure on him to start the game.

On November 25 2014 11:52 Breshke wrote:
On November 25 2014 09:35 Damdred wrote:
On November 25 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:
On November 25 2014 09:24 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2014 09:09 Breshke wrote:
On November 25 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Breske knows im super active and push the thread. I expect him to give me more time since he should be able to read me better then anyone else in this game since hes played the most with me. I also think ill read him better then most people here so I wont pass judgement.


What if i decide to play completely different to last game? I don't think one games experience is enough to have a good read on someone at least im not going to claim that on you.


I agree some but of all people I dont expect you to insta vote me. We just played for like 2 weeks you know I cant keep my mouth shut for very long. If anything I talk too much as town


So you think you talk to much as town but are suprised that i pushed on you ebcause you said you were going afk which is an excuse to not post as you didnt really go afk.

Anyway damdred what do you have so far?


i have a two town leans, a few nulls and a slight scum lean


Is this a thing people do so newbies dont sheep them early? Care to elaborate anymore?


I would read Breshke as town just because of this post.

sicklucker

I said it before, his setups and meta-plays look really weird. If he pulls some valuable info then ok, I will accept the value of it. But right now I think that he is setting himself up to distance from his own posts and I don't like that. Kind of scummy but not my highest priority lynch.

On November 25 2014 08:00 sicklucker wrote:
do i think breske is mafia*


His counter onto Breshke seems really scummy though. Easy to see that his vote was because sicklucker is at best donkey town.

LS

Says oats is being very constructive. Not sure I 100% agree with that read.

kush

afk's. Reads damdred as top scum. Then switches votes to cock even though he wasn't in his scumpile. Slightly scummy I think.

Damdred

Opens with 'ignore me,' yea right. I like his line of questioning tho, very active. Seems very defensive of sickluckers play. Pushing on sicklucker a lot though. I'm slightly suspicious of the early interaction between Damdred, HTS, and sicklucker (see below)

slam

On November 25 2014 11:32 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 25 2014 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
boring im town again afk



On November 25 2014 07:23 Breshke wrote:
On November 25 2014 07:14 sicklucker wrote:
boring im town again afk


Looks like we found our d1 lynch already

##Vote: Sicklucker


FOR THE GLORY THAT IS KENPACHI!!!


## VOTE BRESHKE!!!

Interpret me sson


Why vote breshke? Because you're scum. Or did you even read the thread. I have no idea why you would want to vote him as town. Anyway you unvote before he has a chance to respond and then go afk.

cock

Interaction at the beginning seems weird. Most posts are devoid of anything to read.

Oats

Some defensive posting. seems to say a lot without saying a lot.

Trfel

Super logic. I'm not sure I follow his argument, but at least he has an argument.

batsnacks

Basically just tunnelled on oats. Not sure I can lean either way with this.


OK something that caught my eye in the very first posts (p5). sicklucker sets his 'trap' and Breshke falls into it. Damdred and sicklucker set up some rapport. Then HTS questions Breshke's response. sicklucker jumps on it straight away to say how townie it is that HTS would defend him like this. He says 'A mafia would be unlikely to defend me.' At this point I see Damdred trying to pull info from sicklucker, kind of indirectly trying to defend him.

So, I don't think that HTS is mafia. But if sicklucker is, then I wouldn't be surprised if Damdred was his partner. To me, it looks like they are trying to align, without directly giving each other a town read.



I said breske was null wtf? How am I a donkey town or mafia if after all of that I didnt get anything out of breske and said so(I got alot out of other people... like ALOT)


If this is what you got:
On November 26 2014 08:53 sicklucker wrote:
Bet my left nut on towns - hts, trfel
leaning towns - dicksmash, Ls, slam?

Longshot crack pot day 1 mafia team call out for fun - rsoultin, Damdred, breske

I think we got 2 mafia in the more experienced players, im liking alot of the new guys

Then I don't agree that you got ALOT.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 00:42 GMT
#341
On November 26 2014 09:36 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote:
On November 25 2014 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
He has bad posts regarding a read ohf HTS, his policy lynch on kush is really bad and he is using that to avoid playing the game and doing actual useful things.


This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads.

oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself.

If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better.

I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now.

Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think LS is mafia based on his posting being highly similar to last game (he was cop)

Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 02:33 batsnacks wrote:
I think kush is town oats.

I just looked at all of your posts, and these are the only posts that I can see where you offer any sort of a read or an accusation whatsoever (I left out the post where you voted for Oatsmaster, but that didn't really say anything other than a vote). This seems to be an extremely short list to me, and lacks explanations.

As for your read on Oatsmaster:

I'm not a big fan of Oatsmaster's attitide, see below:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

Oi filters in OP please.


Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really don't appreciate the constant reference that you are in 2 games slam. Please stop it.

But that doesn't matter. To me, he seems to have consistently shown a geniune desire to keep the thread on focus, and having that focus be searching for the mafia. He's asked a lot of questions, and despite having an actual argument against you, seems to be suspicious of rsoultin as well. To me, these are reads. I disagree with the rsoultin read, but it is still a read, with some logic behind it. Thus, for your "read" on Oatsmaster to be worth anything, you need to provide some more reasons for it.


Well to me oats looks like he's nitpicking and fucking off. I'm pretty sure every person oats has communicated with this game has accused him of the same. He doesn't even follow up on his nitpicking e.g. when he asked me this:

On November 26 2014 01:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think LS is mafia based on his posting being highly similar to last game (he was cop)

He has like 2 proper posts.
How in the world are you making a comparision off 2 votes?

Also, why did you mention that he was a cop?

And I responded with this:
On November 26 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 26 2014 01:57 batsnacks wrote:
He didn't have very many posts last game either, but his few posts then were similar to his few posts now.

And I brought up he was the cop for anyone that might not have been in that game.

At least get some in here to compare?


His filter was only like 3 pages that game here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike


And NOTHING. Zero conclusions made. He is just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 00:49 GMT
#343
I think that's a good vote. GJ putin.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 00:57 GMT
#347
Trfel point me toward what you think oats has gained and utilized from his nitpicking. All I see is people calling him out for it and people complaining about it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 01:18 GMT
#358
There's people arguing about whether someone's excuses are legit or not...

Meanwhile Trfel has contributed a massive case, he's followed up and voted, and no one has commented on any of it.

If you're town get your priorities straight. If you're mafia keep talking about IRL excuses and timezones.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 01:24 GMT
#362
On November 26 2014 10:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
Trfel point me toward what you think oats has gained and utilized from his nitpicking. All I see is people calling him out for it and people complaining about it.


Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
So I'm not a scum read rsoultin?
Interesting. Why aren't you putting in effort to find scum since you have no scum reads? I don't see an inquisitive mindset from you.


This seems to be the best he's gotten. My point still stands, to me you are looking very much like scum. Trying to turn people's attentions towards Oatsmaster doesn't change that.


I'm CLEARLY not trying to turn attention. Exactly the opposite. I have been trying to get people to pay attention to you and your case.

I think oats is scum and I'm trying to explain it to you.

You are voting me because I, allegedly, don't have scum reads.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 01:30 GMT
#367
I had an early townread on dicksmash because of this post:
On November 25 2014 07:57 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 07:55 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2014 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Im a horrible day 1 player might just coast.


So I set this up pre game to get info. Breske had a really weird reaction. The breske I know does note vote someone five minutes into the first day.

"they called me out better push the blame on Breske"

He was the first to point this out and several other people sheeped it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 01:51 GMT
#373
On November 26 2014 10:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 26 2014 10:30 batsnacks wrote:
I had an early townread on dicksmash because of this post:
On November 25 2014 07:57 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote:
On November 25 2014 07:55 sicklucker wrote:
On November 25 2014 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Im a horrible day 1 player might just coast.


So I set this up pre game to get info. Breske had a really weird reaction. The breske I know does note vote someone five minutes into the first day.

"they called me out better push the blame on Breske"

He was the first to point this out and several other people sheeped it.

Bad townread.
Anyone could post that.

And again, you reference "Other people" when trying to back up your point. If other people think its good, it doesnt mean its good.


hmm oats i don't agree with your "other people" point, but it is quite townie of you to pick up that detail.


I agree with his "other people" point, but I don't agree that it's quite townie of him to pick up on that detail considering I'm the only person he's talked about.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 02:07 GMT
#377
Oats seriously it shouldn't be hard for you to convince me you're town in this game. Give a good read on someone else it will go a long way.

You're halfway there already, I agree with your meatpudding read.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 02:12 GMT
#380
On November 26 2014 11:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 11:07 batsnacks wrote:
Oats seriously it shouldn't be hard for you to convince me you're town in this game. Give a good read on someone else it will go a long way.

You're halfway there already, I agree with your meatpudding read.

I dont care what you think mate.


One of us is dead.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 03:57 GMT
#399
##unvote
##vote: Dicksmash McIroncock
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 15:34 GMT
#434
SL vote isn't happening meat.

##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster


I don't think oats plays like this as town. That's probably my final vote today.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 15:41 GMT
#436
So many list posts this game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:01 GMT
#438
You know you could probably double your perceived intelligence just by eliminating "troll" from your vocabulary.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:11 GMT
#440
I avoided talking to oats because nothing was getting done. Fmpov he was wasting my and everyone else's time. I think if I get lynched and oats stays alive he will continue to nitpick on things that don't matter and waste everyone's time. It's a good way to play as mafia. Apparently you disagree Trfel.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:22 GMT
#441
I don't think it should be difficult for me to town read oats in this game if he is town. I think oats is capable of being townie enough for me to not want to vote him out of a group of 13 people. He was able to last time we were both town together.

batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:37 GMT
#446
Kush damd bat ultimate team
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:39 GMT
#447
I'm sheeping kush because he's town and he's right

##unvote
##vote dicksmash
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:42 GMT
#449
On November 27 2014 01:41 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you.

I'm not looking for a strong read from him, I'm looking for any kind of sensible read. His activity is why his lack of a reasonable read is even more of a red flag. I still feel like the Oatsmaster scumread is really weak, and I've stated this multiple times. Batsnacks even moved his vote off of Oatsmaster and then moved it back without explanation, which I feel gives even less support to his accusation. I don't feel that batsnacks has been promoting discussion, since he hasn't really been adding any discussion himself.


I've given more reads than you.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 26 2014 16:49 GMT
#451
On November 27 2014 01:48 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2014 01:42 batsnacks wrote:
On November 27 2014 01:41 Trfel wrote:
On November 27 2014 01:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Batsnacks is way too active to lynch d1. The truth is that it's rare that someone is going to have strong reads d1, so you can't fault batsnacks for that. He has been promoting discussion and had a huge presence in the thread. You don't ever lynch someone like that d1.
Oats, you should know that. And that's what makes me worry about you.

I'm not looking for a strong read from him, I'm looking for any kind of sensible read. His activity is why his lack of a reasonable read is even more of a red flag. I still feel like the Oatsmaster scumread is really weak, and I've stated this multiple times. Batsnacks even moved his vote off of Oatsmaster and then moved it back without explanation, which I feel gives even less support to his accusation. I don't feel that batsnacks has been promoting discussion, since he hasn't really been adding any discussion himself.


I've given more reads than you.

By my count, you've given zero reads. I've explained why your Oatsmaster read is terrible, do I need to quote myself here?

Meanwhile I've given one read. I also have several town leans, but I haven't felt the need to share those yet. I can do so if you would like, though.

Anyway, batsnacks, I REALLY want to know why you keep changing your vote between Oatsmaster and Dicksmash without explanation. This seems extremely fishy to me.


What's fishy about it? Why does changing my vote make me mafia?
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