VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint

On November 20 2014 15:07 Fecalfeast wrote:
what happened to HF= SCUM?

On November 20 2014 15:21 Hopeless1der wrote:


I think you are overjustifying way too hard.

On November 20 2014 15:22 ritoky wrote:


well according to yourself you're playing your mafia meta, and i should trust you as you are a reliable source when it comes to yourself.

On November 20 2014 15:26 ritoky wrote:


you're the most mafia person in the thread, mainly cuz you're a hypocrite.

and nope.

On November 20 2014 15:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
I wanted to know what the painting was in the first one, and then wondered wtf the snowflake was about. Not really.
"Implying?" What the fuck is this VE, you have no grounds to call me scum and yet already you're turning confirmation bias bullshit.

On November 20 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:


claims town -> hey guys this is my mafia meta -> does exactly what he says his mafia meta is.

you can believe your read all you want, but seems more like you just waiting to take a shot at one of the early posters trying to get a cheap "gotcha" moment. whether that's from a town mindset or a mafia mindset at this point i am unsure, but i think as of now it leans more scummy to me. certainly more than anything anyone else has posted. you shouldn't bring up last game cuz then i will have to dig up your reads and we will see how little we should believe this read of yours.

On November 20 2014 15:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait wwhat

On November 20 2014 15:49 ritoky wrote:


and i think your description of how you formulated a read on hopeless is the exact same process as to how i formed a read on you. doesn't really matter now though, i am less skeptical of you just making crap up after hopeless overreacted.

On November 20 2014 15:52 ritoky wrote:




bolded part is a massive overreaction to someone calling you scum for a shaky reason at best 1 hour in. to me overreactions imply a person has something to hide.

On November 20 2014 15:54 ritoky wrote:


no opinion as of now, they just posted a bunch of pictures. maybe fecal is a bit melodramatic, but that's really it.

On November 20 2014 16:01 Hopeless1der wrote:

that falls in the OMGUS VE category.

On November 20 2014 16:15 Holyflare wrote:


Um no because if he is town and you are doing this then it doesn't count as "I've never seen him play so well" because you would be attacking him as town.

On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:


oh how vague of you.

On November 20 2014 16:28 ritoky wrote:


surprised by you VE, usually you all over people when they use vague and non-descript words. why you not on rayn for saying HF weird?

On November 20 2014 16:28 Holyflare wrote:


Only mafia would shoot me in the night. This is the second super jump on whatever you can and think you're obnoxiously right that you've done in 2 hours though which is pretty scummy

On November 20 2014 16:38 Alakaslam wrote:
VE what about hopeless1der

On November 20 2014 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
There's nothing wrong with making observations that isn't scummy but talking in absolutes like you have been:

1) Talking about crazy generalised mafia meta that doesn't really apply on it's own in any game ever but then treating it like it's super justified and correct


And


2) calling me mafia for saying your read is bad and doesn't make him mafia and then saying i die no matter what because I'm definitely mafia


THESE are mafia traits, talking in absolutes that shouldn't ever be an absolute 2 hours into a game.

On November 20 2014 17:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
why don't we lynch hopeless for the mafia then lynch HF?

On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily

On November 20 2014 18:24 The_Templar wrote:

Considering the entire post was about you, I'm not surprised you only read the disclaimer.
As I said, I don't know anyone's meta and I'm not interested in it. I only pointed out your inconsistency despite seeming certain all the time.

On November 20 2014 18:27 Holyflare wrote:
I don't actually know WHY you're calling me mafia VE all I know is that I disagreed with points you raised and called what you were doing - being absolute- scummy which you acknowledge is what you are doing.

elaborate before you do silly crap please

On November 20 2014 18:30 VisceraEyes wrote:

My point is that you know it's not scummy for me to do it, but you're telling town that it is. You're misleading town, in a destructive way.

On November 20 2014 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
IT IS scummy to be absolute on things you SHOULDN'T be absolute on! "oh hf is DEFINITELY mafia" is ONLY pushing a mafia agenda because you have absolutely 0 reasons for it and i'm town so it's not some crazy next level tactic you are doing because it's ONLY shitting up the thread with a useless vote with no reasoning or pressure. There is literally 0 things to get out of your "tactic" on me. YOU should know that pressuring me is absolutely redundant because I know how to play so the only thing you will gain out of it is me thinking you are scummy. So here we are.

On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.

On November 20 2014 19:28 ritoky wrote:


I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was:
VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions.
HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions.
VE thinks HF is scummy for that.

I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect.

capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much.

On November 21 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote:


This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened
This isn't how it happened

On November 21 2014 03:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
absolutely riveting VE. anything new with your reads?

On November 21 2014 03:22 sicklucker wrote:
So heres what ches filter has. A very well drawn picture, and him qouteing people ssaying "OMGOSH IS THAT ME IN THE PICTURE"

Theres also a random vote before that but I think it was pregame troll

On November 21 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote:


Not particularly anymore because he stuck to his terrible case and plan and still believed it to be working and true which IS pretty typical ve. The rest of the argument was just me trying to clear the air in the off chance ve is a retarded vigi who shoots me.

On November 21 2014 05:36 Holyflare wrote:


pretty sure 2 of your scum reads are wrong

On November 21 2014 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

????
He kinda isn't following that.

On November 21 2014 09:55 Holyflare wrote:
lian stop what you are doing or I will just straight up lynch you, tell me what you honestly think has happened in this game and what your reads are without using paint or sarcasm or bs posts to antagonise people further. You've literally made the thread unreadable at this point

On November 21 2014 18:09 Holyflare wrote:



Also, this read is weird because the last time you posted anything about hopeless iirc he WAS your scum read. So the world where they could be scum together should be very real, especially as chez is MOVING his vote onto sicklucker away from the person you think is mafia which COULD indicate that they are mafia together. Why do you have huge leaps of knowledge that just seem really farfetched??

On November 21 2014 23:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I was wrong about you not taking solid stances, but that's all.
Your stream of thought fits much more a mafia mindset than a town mindset

On November 21 2014 23:14 GlowingBear wrote:


Because no one is trying.

Vote VE with me. If VE was town, he would flip the fuck out when I posted my analysis on his post. Or he would try to reason it better. Instead, he just avoid giving traction to that call out because he knows I've nailed him and he didn't want to draw attention.

VE has no confidence in this game. He is just throwing random questions and not taking hard stances

On November 22 2014 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
you've done nothing to say why i'm mafia at all and have stuck to that useless read for the entire game for no reason despite me explaining everything perfectly adequately

On November 20 2014 17:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I get Fecal's little "trap" and that's just whatever. I have no defense to that. But Holyflare is saying that me being sure of my reads at this point in the game is scum indicative, and that's just absolutely false. I'm ALWAYS sure of my reads early on, because A) I feel like I have strong early reads and B) I represent strong early reads as both alignments. The reason I do this is because as town when you represent strong reads, it puts your targets under pressure. I put Hopeless under so much pressure that he overreacted, which rito commented on and I think HF mentioned himself. As mafia I do it because that's what I do as town so I have to look like I'm town.

Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ.

Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this:

I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle.

On November 22 2014 02:07 KillerSOS wrote:


That's the exact level 2 kind of meta that would be an amazing play for a mafia member.

On November 22 2014 04:59 sicklucker wrote:
I think asumeing Lian is town because hes playing so badly is a really bad idea. I can understand people thinking hes null because of it but town?

On November 21 2014 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:

Rayns posting makes him look town to me. I think I agree with his townread of lian, but mainly because in the last game he was scum and was much more amicable with town...in a pacifying kind of way. Very unlike what he's doing in this game. I don't like necessarily what he's doing in the thread (just trying to make everyone angry) but like rayn I think he's probably town.

On November 22 2014 05:08 The_Templar wrote:

Here, let me fix this post

On November 22 2014 05:09 The_Templar wrote:

You can't compare him in this game to how he played in another game, because he's obviously not trying

On November 22 2014 05:11 The_Templar wrote:

If you had actually done this, I might not have had a problem with you the entire game

On November 22 2014 05:13 The_Templar wrote:

My last post IS a re-evaluation. I arrived at roughly the same conclusion.

On November 22 2014 05:16 The_Templar wrote:

this is exactly what a mafia would say

On November 22 2014 05:22 The_Templar wrote:

Randomly went to page 18 and one of the posts I used in my defense was there.
To answer your question, since VE "solved" the game in the single-digit pages, clearly there is important stuff there. The last 10-15 pages have mostly been bickering anyway.

On November 22 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote:


seriously just gtfo i'm tired of you actually being a useless person this game, you've pushed on me for absolutely NOTHING 3 hours into the game and haven't dropped it since then because you used the shittest logic I have actually seen in a game of mafia in a long time

what's worse is that you've surpassed yourself in terms of shit logic MULTIPLE times this game, I don't even know how that's even possible when you aren't a terrible player but you sure as shit managed it today

if you have absolutely nothing to contribute apart from some twisted backwards logic about chezinu being town that doesn't actually make any sense to anyone in this game and even rayn said it was an awful post and he's town reading you then maybe you should just stop posting

On November 23 2014 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:


I bet the vigi won't shoot you. He has no motive to do so.

On November 24 2014 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GB is an idiot if he rhinks me and ve would do something this stupid as scum because if i am scum it means ve is scum aswell.
So in case that's the case and there is a vigi ve is auto-lynched. In case there is a doctor who didn't doc me BOTH of me and ve are auto-lynched.

RIGHT GB!!! SUCH GREAT SCUMPLAY ROFL!
That dude is telling the confirmed townies are mafia. ROfl. Again. ROFL!!!

On November 24 2014 10:19 The_Templar wrote:

I was trying to figure out who wasn't paying any attention. So, someone actually reading didn't help.

In retrospect, it was a really bad idea, but I was not lying about it, I would have done exactly the same thing without thinking about it except I wouldn't have made that comment.

On November 24 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, there is another odd thing in Templar.
He used the bait thing to see who was reading the thread but he admits he wasn't reading the thread properly. He missed my townread on him and he missed my vote on slam. The vote on slam is a giant image. Why the guy that isn't reading is trying to bait guys that aren't reading?

Meh.

On November 25 2014 04:50 The_Templar wrote:

"If I hadn't thought of it, I would have done exactly the same thing" is the intention

On November 27 2014 03:24 sicklucker wrote:


You dont have to convince the confirmed towns. This games probably going to a final 3 you have to convince the people that will be left.

On November 24 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote:
VE is never scum as an un cc big GB what you talkin bout

On November 27 2014 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote:

snap

On November 27 2014 10:47 sicklucker wrote:
So theres as many confirmed mafias as unconfirmed town now thats cool.

On November 27 2014 13:49 ritoky wrote:


Regarding the bolded part, we should definitely NOT make this our priority. We are in LYLO we don't have the luxury of being picky with which mafia we hit. We should lynch the most likely mafia. Period. If that person happens to be roleblocker, then that is great for us. If not, we are still in LYLO and haven't lost the game.

So in that vein (outside of damdred who from your perspective is 100% mafia) who is the next most likely mafia?

On November 27 2014 21:52 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol that's such a bad move from mafia damdy that I'm kinda skeptical that it could be ever done by mafia.

But anyway, he's in my list. Choose a target.

On November 27 2014 17:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like I know you said both but why is chezinu higher on the list

On November 27 2014 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

LMAO

On November 28 2014 08:19 Damdred wrote:
GB I couldn't risk getting shot early when we can hit mafia today and then shoot a mafia please help me

On November 29 2014 19:57 Chezinu wrote:
To be clear:

I did not vote for lian.

I did not shoot rayn.

I never shot real bullets.

My teammates did not steal my ability by posting in QT.

I may have received an additional shot.

That additional shot may not have shot.

The host may have said sorry in the QT.

The OP may have had incorrect role descriptions.

The Host is afraid and he should be.

On December 01 2014 08:26 Fecalfeast wrote:

I'm so glad I don't have to play and prove that I'm just bad

On December 01 2014 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok then, is there anything I need to explain/do for you to believe that I haven't been playing the game because I dislike VT?

On December 01 2014 09:18 sicklucker wrote:
im here...

So ve either me or ff role block you I dont undeerstand your logic. If you shoot either one of us, you just vote the other out and you win no matter who it is.


If you shot ff last night that leaves me, you ,rayn . Then you vote me out vice versa

On December 01 2014 09:49 sicklucker wrote:


This is wrong we would both roleblock you 100% of the time

On December 01 2014 10:35 sicklucker wrote:
Ve reasoning is horrible I dont understand it. We can sleep

On December 01 2014 10:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ok im mafia but you got it for like the worst reason ever lmao

On December 01 2014 11:36 sicklucker wrote:
Ya like im mafia because of what I just said and I wont win a final 3 with ff and gb so I obviously kill one of them. Not because of whatever ve was going on about that is completely wrong logic. sometimes you just flip the coin right.