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On November 20 2014 16:40 Holyflare wrote: There's nothing wrong with making observations that isn't scummy but talking in absolutes like you have been: 1) Talking about crazy generalised mafia meta that doesn't really apply on it's own in any game ever but then treating it like it's super justified and correct And 2) calling me mafia for saying your read is bad and doesn't make him mafia and then saying i die no matter what because I'm definitely mafia THESE are mafia traits, talking in absolutes that shouldn't ever be an absolute 2 hours into a game. Two is actually not true. I haven't said I absolutely think you're mafia for anything. I REALLY dislike how hard you're defending Hopeless, sure. He may even be town and you mafia. YOU could be town. I don't really know. I THINK you're mafia though, and you're GOING to die for it because even if you're town I can never ever trust you. Sorry breh. | ||
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Holyflare knows this, and he knows it doesn't make me mafia. That's the confusing thing to me - he's calling me mafia here based on this alone, when I AGREE WITH HIS ONLY OTHER MAFIA READ. Here's my prediction. Holyflare is going to convince everyone else to lynch Hopeless and he's going to flip mafia and then Holyflare is going to lead town to a loss. Just like every other game that Holyflare is mafia. But remember this: I'm voting for no one but Holyflare for the rest of this cycle. | ||
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On November 20 2014 17:40 Fecalfeast wrote: why don't we lynch hopeless for the mafia then lynch HF? I prefer HF first, but I mean you're voting for me so you shouldn't really care what I think in theory. | ||
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On November 20 2014 17:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not you, I don't 100% commit to my reads that easily I'm not 100% committed to my read. LMAO Look man, I represent a lot more certainty than I have a lot of the time. It's for a reason, which I just explained. I BELIEVE HF and Hopeless are mafia, but I'm not certain of either read. One thing is certain though. Holyflare WILL die tonight unless I'm roleblocked. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:08 The_Templar wrote: Disclaimer: I am a terrible player Sorry man, this is all I got out of that post. Like, this isn't hard. I think HF is mafia. I think Hopeless is mafia. I prefer to lynch Holyflare. I did lie when I said I would vote no one else. That's me trying to manipulate the rest of town into voting for Holyflare. I'm absolutely also willing to lynch Hopeless. I'm very inconsistent. But that doesn't make me mafia. I don't expect you to know that, since you gave the disclaimer and all. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:24 The_Templar wrote: Considering the entire post was about you, I'm not surprised you only read the disclaimer. As I said, I don't know anyone's meta and I'm not interested in it. I only pointed out your inconsistency despite seeming certain all the time. I mean if you read my filter, I explained why I represent certainty early on. It's a tactic, and it's not alignment indicative. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:27 Holyflare wrote: I don't actually know WHY you're calling me mafia VE all I know is that I disagreed with points you raised and called what you were doing - being absolute- scummy which you acknowledge is what you are doing. elaborate before you do silly crap please My point is that you know it's not scummy for me to do it, but you're telling town that it is. You're misleading town, in a destructive way. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:30 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that you know it's not scummy for me to do it, but you're telling town that it is. You're misleading town, in a destructive way. On top of this, you're discrediting my read of Hopeless while simultaneously saying you agree with it. Like, why? I don't understand what the point of disagreeing with my read at that point, he wasn't even responding to my points, he literally just reacted poorly. So you think I'm mafia for....dragging a shitty reaction out of my mafia partner?!!? Your play doesn't make any sense to me, I can't figure out how town HF thinks all these things. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:33 Holyflare wrote: IT IS scummy to be absolute on things you SHOULDN'T be absolute on! "oh hf is DEFINITELY mafia" is ONLY pushing a mafia agenda because you have absolutely 0 reasons for it and i'm town so it's not some crazy next level tactic you are doing because it's ONLY shitting up the thread with a useless vote with no reasoning or pressure. There is literally 0 things to get out of your "tactic" on me. YOU should know that pressuring me is absolutely redundant because I know how to play so the only thing you will gain out of it is me thinking you are scummy. So here we are. It's not a "tactic" on you. You're DEAD tonight. Unless mafia Roleblock me. This isn't a tactic. Or rather it is, but not the "representing certainty" tactic I was using with Hopeless. You misunderstand. I'm killing you to hedge my bets. I think you're mafia, and if we don't lynch you then I'm shooting you just in case you are mafia. Because I can't trust anything you say ever. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear earlier sir, I wasn't using any kind of tactic "ON" you, I was representing certainty ABOUT you so that town is more likely to lynch you. | ||
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In summary: I think Hopeless is mafia based on interactions/reaction. I think Holyflare is mafia based on him defending Hopeless at a weird time (right after he reacts poorly to my pressure) for a weird reason (apparently feigning contribution to appear contributory is NOT scummy?), and under weird circumstances (he agrees that the reaction to his only other scumread is scummy). On top of everything else, he just keeps trying to discredit everything I do and say as senseless when I've been very clear about everything I've done this game. I think Chez is town because he drew a very cool picture of me. Also he pointed out Hopeless and I agreed with him. Rayn will explain his thoughts and then I'll give my read on rayn. I have no idea what lian is doing. But he's voting for HF so we can be friends for now. Templar's post is bad, but I don't think it makes him mafia. It's an awful big post and a lot of effort for mafia to go to. IF he's mafia then why does he make that post? Like, I'm not the lynch today in any world, ever. If he wants to fight me about that fine - but why does he do that as mafia? Yes I've exaggerated a bit about how sure I am of my reads, but the reasoning is in the thread - if you disagree with it fine, just say why. | ||
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On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote: I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read. And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM! Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/ | ||
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MAYBE I'll be back later to update my thoughts. Maybe. | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote: Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts. There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation. Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion. But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right? My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that? | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote: your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours. your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings. I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree. I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended. | ||
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Ninight town. | ||
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On November 20 2014 19:28 ritoky wrote: I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was: VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions. HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions. VE thinks HF is scummy for that. I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect. capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much. I did though, for a second. Remember back when I asked you if you thought I was mafia and you dodged the question? That happened man. But the way you backed off it after Hopeless' reaction made me lean town on you, where HF deigned to continue to call me scummy for it. See the difference? | ||
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On November 21 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote: This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened This isn't how it happened This is how it happened. This is how it happened. This is how it happened. This is how it happened. | ||
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