• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:12
CEST 02:12
KST 09:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202530RSL Season 1 - Final Week8[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams2Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Why doesnt SC2 scene costream tournaments
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Corsair Pursuit Micro?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 622 users

VI Titanic Mini Mafia: The Return of MSPaint - Page 16

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 133 Next
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 20 2014 10:05 GMT
#301
I'm going to bed, liancourt seems scummy to me. I'd unvote ve but im on my phone.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 20 2014 10:05 GMT
#302
On November 20 2014 19:01 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]


really wtf is with the votes

Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?


stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions?

There is no reason to vote hope

the votes are bad

same thing

LOL

What was the point of your question mafia?

i change my vote

templar is mafai

Those are completely different. I am not active, because you said I'm not active, so I won't bother to answer your post now. Maybe if you remind me later I will


ur reacting like a mafia who's been caught red handed

u arent reacting to pressure very well = mafia

u are fucking off and ignoring what players say = mafia

temp[lar = mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:05 GMT
#303
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 20 2014 10:07 GMT
#304
On November 20 2014 19:03 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]


really wtf is with the votes

Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?


stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions?

There is no reason to vote hope

the votes are bad

same thing

LOL

What was the point of your question mafia?

i change my vote

templar is mafai


why is there no reason to vote hopeless? do you not like my or VE's read on him?


LOL

what is there to read stop trying to over analyze everything

LOL

analyze me

LOL
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:08 GMT
#305
On November 20 2014 19:07 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:03 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]


really wtf is with the votes

Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?


stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions?

There is no reason to vote hope

the votes are bad

same thing

LOL

What was the point of your question mafia?

i change my vote

templar is mafai


why is there no reason to vote hopeless? do you not like my or VE's read on him?


LOL

what is there to read stop trying to over analyze everything

LOL

analyze me

LOL


You know it's possible to catch mafia day 1 because of analysing, you've been in several games where mafia has been lynched day 1 because of actual analysis. So why are you telling people to stop analysing when it only helps to find mafia? You are being very very strange.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 20 2014 10:08 GMT
#306
On November 20 2014 19:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to bed, liancourt seems scummy to me. I'd unvote ve but im on my phone.


fucks off and gives no reason why i'm scummy just flinging shit around = mafia

liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 20 2014 10:09 GMT
#307
On November 20 2014 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:07 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:03 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:59 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:51 The_Templar wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:50 liancourt wrote:
On November 20 2014 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]


really wtf is with the votes

Are you saying there's no reason to vote hopeless or that their votes are bad?


stop trying to look active. what are u going to achieve by asking me these questions?

There is no reason to vote hope

the votes are bad

same thing

LOL

What was the point of your question mafia?

i change my vote

templar is mafai


why is there no reason to vote hopeless? do you not like my or VE's read on him?


LOL

what is there to read stop trying to over analyze everything

LOL

analyze me

LOL


You know it's possible to catch mafia day 1 because of analysing, you've been in several games where mafia has been lynched day 1 because of actual analysis. So why are you telling people to stop analysing when it only helps to find mafia? You are being very very strange.


stop trying to lynch hopeless he hasn't done anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:09 GMT
#308
my vote isn't even on hopeless?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
November 20 2014 10:10 GMT
#309
i am hard defending hopeless who looks scummy as fuck

does this make me mafia?

ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 10:13 GMT
#310
On November 20 2014 19:10 liancourt wrote:
i am hard defending hopeless who looks scummy as fuck

does this make me mafia?



i thought there was no reason to vote hopeless, now he looks scummy as fuck?

i already want to lynch you cuz you claimed mafia, you're making me think that desire isn't unfounded.

and if you think i can't find mafia day 1 thru analysis, you have a very short memory. and maybe even mammary.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:14 GMT
#311
On November 20 2014 18:51 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
You're so very passive and meagerly pointing out "things", you also say rayn is your town read right now but the only thing you've even commented on in regards to rayn is:

On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

[image loading]


You're also calling out VE for fabricating things but rayn is defending VE's mindset so that read is not congruent with what you've been saying. You also seem extremely flippant in regards to the VE/hopeless interaction earlier.

You're just not ritokyish.





I am meish because I am me.

rayn said you're weird. it's true, you're weird. why? cuz you're not angry at all. a couple posts ago you seemed slightly agitated. but the super town HF calls people bad and idiots and tells everyone to sheep him and claims god tier. you're muted, so you're weird.

but that said, rayn's subsequent post responding to my criticism and detailing who is town is the stuff i can put in my coffee in the morning.

as for me being me, i find like find odd and disjointed interactions day 1 and finding scum that way, you saw me behind the scenes last game. hence why i don't like hopeless. that read should not surprise you in the slightest.


rayn said I was weird after 1 post so this doesn't make sense in the slightest

On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.

ritoky i am the king of vague statements.


this was also his only response to your criticism and details absolutely nothing so it's weird that the person who has said almost nothing whatsoever is your town read, especially when you pick and choose some of his posts to fit into a later timeline
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
November 20 2014 10:17 GMT
#312
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 10:17 GMT
#313
On November 20 2014 19:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:51 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
You're so very passive and meagerly pointing out "things", you also say rayn is your town read right now but the only thing you've even commented on in regards to rayn is:

On November 20 2014 16:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is weird.


oh how vague of you.

[image loading]


You're also calling out VE for fabricating things but rayn is defending VE's mindset so that read is not congruent with what you've been saying. You also seem extremely flippant in regards to the VE/hopeless interaction earlier.

You're just not ritokyish.





I am meish because I am me.

rayn said you're weird. it's true, you're weird. why? cuz you're not angry at all. a couple posts ago you seemed slightly agitated. but the super town HF calls people bad and idiots and tells everyone to sheep him and claims god tier. you're muted, so you're weird.

but that said, rayn's subsequent post responding to my criticism and detailing who is town is the stuff i can put in my coffee in the morning.

as for me being me, i find like find odd and disjointed interactions day 1 and finding scum that way, you saw me behind the scenes last game. hence why i don't like hopeless. that read should not surprise you in the slightest.


rayn said I was weird after 1 post so this doesn't make sense in the slightest

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is town. Slam is town.
We can kill Templar because of that mafia post.

ritoky i am the king of vague statements.


this was also his only response to your criticism and details absolutely nothing so it's weird that the person who has said almost nothing whatsoever is your town read, especially when you pick and choose some of his posts to fit into a later timeline


my read of weirdness came later, already told you why. i also find it weird that almost immediately after i said my read your salt level increased. deciding whether i feel it was forced or not.

yup, it is a good response to my criticism, i approve of it. it is a response i would make, and i am town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 10:22 GMT
#314
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
November 20 2014 10:22 GMT
#315
[image loading]

So I think people have jumped on a little quickly at 5am 3 hours into the game for me but ll try to keep up.

VisceraEyes is pretty town here . I dont think someone with 16k posts is going to make a 10 page case right out of the gete with pretty small evidence. I truly believe he thinks what he says.

I didnt think much of templars post but I cant wait to hear what rayn has to say about it because I think hes a pretty good town player, their both null for me now.

liancourt is scummy as hell. But im not sure I would ever come into the game as any alignment make my first post saying I havent read the thread then make a second post voting someone. So im not totally sure what this means is he usually like this?. He even said hes not going to read the thread. But the only game of mafia I ever played, the mafias were super obvious so im in the mindset of guilty untill proven innocent with him.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
November 20 2014 10:25 GMT
#316
On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.

I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree.

I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:27 GMT
#317
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


he's made posts like that in games before!? I don't know what you're even arguing about anymore because it's seemingly just crazy semantics where you want to prove that your opinion is the best opinion

he's made posts like that before as town
other townies have made posts like that before as town
you say only scum make posts like that to blend in
he reacts poorly
you start to pile things onto him which also don't make him scummy
i say your first part is wrong and your qt crap is wrong and it's scummy that you're so absolute about this read but his reaction is pretty scummy

all I've done is negate the extreme pressure you are putting on him and your misleading of the thread by correcting you and showing the thread the only points that could possibly make him mafia


My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare.


I disagree with the whole premise. The logic is not sound as I have explained that townies and hopeless as a towny have made posts like that before. It's silly that you try and turn it into the EXACT wording he uses and says it makes him different when it doesn't at all.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 20 2014 10:28 GMT
#318
On November 20 2014 19:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2014 19:22 ritoky wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
On November 20 2014 19:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 20 2014 18:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand how you can call someone mafia for defending someone WHEN YOU ADMIT YOU EXAGGERATED EVERYTHING TO PRESSURE HIM. looooooooooool

I didn't exaggerate my read Holyflare, I still think he's mafia for it. I was just exaggerating how certain I am of it - I'm NOT certain of it, it's just my read.

And further, I'm not saying you're mafia FOR defending Hopeless. My reasoning is clear and explicit. I'm saying your mafia for defending Hopeless FOR BAD REASON (saying that something that IS objectively scummy is NOT objectively scummy) AT A WEIRD TIME (right after you acquired a scumread of him yourself, in response to MY pressure of him) WHILE SCUMREADING HIM!

Holyflare Jesus Christ, I never have to spell shit out for you multiple times like this. Maybe you are town. :/


Feigning contribution is scummy yes, but nowhere did he do that at the time you had said he had done that. The start of the game does not count towards feigning contribution when all he's done is comment on a snowflake in the first hour of the game. That doesn't make anyone mafia ever and was a bs EXAGGERATED read that I do not and will not ever agree on. People have done the exact same thing as town in many many many many many more games so it's not OBJECTIVELY scummy at all, it's entirely subjective because it's what you think which goes against the actual facts.

There's quite a difference between scum reading someone for what you said and scum reading him for something entirely different. He might not end up being scum and then I can look back and remember that your pressure was far more exacerbated than it should have been in that situation. Telling you that your initial logic for scum reading him was bad has nothing to do with him looking scummy for his reaction. It's an observation.

Well bolded is just your opinion just like my opinion is that Hopeless' early posting is scummy. I don't think the read is exaggerated at all, I think the posts I pointed out CLEARLY illustrate Hopeless trying to blend in. But I guess you're right, that's my opinion.

But the italicized is obviously an exaggeration because no one has ever made the post Hopeless made in response to Chez because Hopeless has never made that post in any other game in response to Chez. People have done SIMILAR things, but no one has done "the exact same" thing ever. See how easy that is to just switch on? Like, it doesn't matter if you're exaggerating or not, you're just making a point right?

My logic wasn't bad - you disagree with the severity of the infringement in the posts I pointed out, but the logic is fucking sound Holyflare. That's why I say you're repeatedly trying to discredit me...because you're saying things that are blatantly untrue in an attempt to make me look bad - WHILE I find someone who YOU find suspicious...suspicious. Why? Why are you doing that?


your read is crap VE. because if you actually believe your read then you should have the same one on me; yet i didn't even make the reads post of yours.

your read is predicated on HF not finding hopeless scummy for the reasons you pointed out early, but finding him scummy for his reaction to being called out. which is almost the exact same response i had. remember where i was calling you out until hopeless reacted to you and then i rescinded on you cuz i found his post crap? that was the basis or your original read on HF, so it should also be on me. the fact that you don't evenly apply it means you're mafia or you're fabricating to push your OGI feelings.

I don't even know what you just said here. Which read are you even referring to? My read of Holyflare? So you think Holyflare is town then I guess? Cool. I disagree.

I don't have to think you're the same alignment because you're different players and Holyflare is a MUCH better player than you are. No offense intended.


I am saying that your initial holyflare is scum read was:
VE thinks hopeless is scum for early posts and reactions.
HF thinks hopeless is scum only for the reactions.
VE thinks HF is scummy for that.

I had literally the exact same process and even argued it with you, but you didn't apply the scum read to me. I am saying that you're not applying your criteria for someone being scum evenly, which is suspect.

capital much is a bit much, i will accept lower-case much.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
November 20 2014 10:29 GMT
#319
Well then vote for me Holyflare. It's 5am and I'm done with this tonight.

Ninight town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 20 2014 10:29 GMT
#320
no
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 133 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 43
ProTech0
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1031
NaDa 75
Aegong 42
Dota 2
monkeys_forever276
LuMiX0
League of Legends
syndereN456
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1391
flusha338
Coldzera 295
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox296
AZ_Axe109
Other Games
tarik_tv7765
Grubby2222
Day[9].tv1181
shahzam570
C9.Mang0281
ViBE184
Maynarde153
Livibee88
Liquid`Ken7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1276
BasetradeTV27
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 64
• rockletztv 6
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22343
League of Legends
• Doublelift4664
Other Games
• Scarra1647
• Day9tv1181
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
9h 48m
ByuN vs Zoun
SHIN vs TriGGeR
Cyan vs ShoWTimE
Rogue vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Solar
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
Esports World Cup
1d 9h
Esports World Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.