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On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange.
This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy?
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I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion.
On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening.
2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games.
3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument.
4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed.
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I like the enthusiasm sentinel
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On November 03 2014 22:56 KelsierSC wrote:
If a bunch of people town read grak i will probably town read him, if people are unsure on him then he is probably scum
Can you explain this to me?
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@Superbia: I defended you mostly because I was responding to KSC, and that was the most interesting in his filter for me to talk about.
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On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm.
I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.
On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.
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On November 04 2014 06:53 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm. I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia". Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted. Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum. Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town.
the wording most vs a lot more than others doesn't really matter to me and doesn't change my question. You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct?
It seems to me that you've just taken one quote out of context and are using it to form that scum read, since a lot of Sentinel's filter shows Sentinel not being a lot more serious about scum reading Superbia than others
On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.
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lol KSC looking back once more, what do you think of your FF read?
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Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too.
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Yeah I'm good with policy lynching Kush if he doesn't do anything worthwhile today. He seemed pretty hyped to play pre-game too.
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Kush - I have some reasons for that, but I'm not going to say what they are.
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Fecal, which posts from elvis made you change your read?
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Ok. I don't like hearing about how he made "posts that don't fall flat" or "asked good questions". And it seems like I'm singling you out right now, but most of the people in the thread are coming up with town reads built mostly on that reasoning.
I want to see you really dissect some posts. Did you like his points on Sentinel? Inmaterial? Lightning strike? Did you like that he had the same town reads as you?
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How much mafia have you played serejai?
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@FF Elvis was already attracting votes. Don't you think mafia would also put in effort in his situation? I'm most interested in sentinel read you/Elvis share
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Lol lightning I have some advice: the preview button is your friend.
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Lightning has anything stuck out to you from what you've read since you were here earlier? Give me some thoughts on anything that has happened since you were gone.
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On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis.
Sounds interesting! What do you think of those arguments? FF just wrote out a long argument for why Sentinel is scum. Do you agree with his argument?
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On November 04 2014 12:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 12:14 Grackaroni wrote:On November 04 2014 12:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Summary of stuff what happened when I left: People unvoting Superbia and people are thinking Elvis is mafia but others do not and were making arguments for and against Elvis. Sounds interesting! What do you think of those arguments? FF just wrote out a long argument for why Sentinel is scum. Do you agree with his argument?  I wrote it for you, do you agree with my argument?
No I don't sorry.
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.
I agree with what Sentinel said here about Elvis' entrance, which is what Breshke said as well. Everyone else entered the game trying to contribute their reads. The first thing Elvis did was complain about everyone focusing on Superbia's trolling and add that he can't get any reads because of it. But he could have just questioned people to get reads like everyone else. I think this is scummy behavior and it's something that I have done as scum. ("I have no reads because nothing has happened yet. Everyone else's arguments so far have been bad" - while making no effort to try to get something to happen)
I disagree with Superbia's point about scum being more likely to take him up on his tunneling offer for the same reason I disagree with Superbia being scummy for his tunneling comments. Once again I think it was pretty clear that Superbia wasn't actually going to tunnel somebody so Sentinel is just joking around at the start of the game in the same way that Superbia was.
I don't mind the host wifom at the start of the game. Actually I kind of agree with what Breshke said about leaning town on him for mentioning it - (as in it's a weird thing for him to think about if he is on a team with 3 people not sorted that way, and he wouldn't want to mention it if he was on a team that followed that distribution), but it's a thought that probably occurred to him pregame.
The one point I agree with you on is that the series of posts talking about Superbia aren't important for Elvis' alignment since they were in a very short timespan. I don't really see a strong agenda though of him trying to lynch Elvis for those posts.
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On November 04 2014 12:30 Elvis! wrote:
Putting fecalfeast on leaning town atm, since his posts are funded, he got his information, points things out throughoutly and has legit arguments.
Will go to sleep now, don't know when I'll post again. Some time during uni tomorrow, ETA 12 hours. Will defo make a decently big post before EoD and some smaller ones before that.
Maccaroni, so now that some people have posted opinions on several suspects, what's your: most scum / view on the recent posts.
I was really hoping for you to answer the question I had left for you earlier.
On November 04 2014 07:39 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 06:53 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm. I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia". Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted. Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum. Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town. the wording most vs a lot more than others doesn't really matter to me and doesn't change my question. You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct? It seems to me that you've just taken one quote out of context and are using it to form that scum read, since a lot of Sentinel's filter shows Sentinel not being a lot more serious about scum reading Superbia than others Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.
Do you still feel that Sentinel was more serious than others in pushing Superbia and that he is scum for it?
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