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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 00:36 GMT
#3064
why is no one here near deadline....ugh i gotta decide
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 00:47 GMT
#3068
On November 09 2014 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
If he's Mafia/3p cool if not we could lose


yeah but if we lynch him and he is town, we could lose too. this is potentially mylo.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 00:57 GMT
#3071
On November 09 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 09:47 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
If he's Mafia/3p cool if not we could lose


yeah but if we lynch him and he is town, we could lose too. this is potentially mylo.


That's not true because of abilities and the chance for mafia/3p to hit each other etc i can't math


assuming there is 3p kp and this is not just 2kp mafia...i mean its likely, but not guaranteed 3p
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:17 GMT
#3073
On November 09 2014 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
Where the hell does everyone get these ridiculous notions from? 3kp?? There's been 2 each night


??? not saying there's 3kp?

imagine if misder is town. could be 2kp mafia no 3p/3p w/ no kp and misder has a 1 shot kp ability as town. that is a possible world.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:30 GMT
#3074
On November 08 2014 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 14:20 jaybrundage wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:18 jaybrundage wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
CR is smoking some shit.

I dont know what the fuck his scumread on Misder is.

PURELY FROM ROLE SPECULATION

##vote CR

I hate you Oats lol

lol sorry for making so much sense.

Is it just that there are two watchers? I believe slam was the other one if memory serves. Why not slam scum CR town?

because CR is making absolutely no sense, his only scumread is role speculation and he has contradicted himself multiple times.


???? How does he get from this, to voting with CR onto misder who isn't even here to defend himself. HF did this too, top scum read into voting with top scum read....what is going on right now...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:35 GMT
#3076
On November 09 2014 10:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 10:17 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:14 Holyflare wrote:
Where the hell does everyone get these ridiculous notions from? 3kp?? There's been 2 each night


??? not saying there's 3kp?

imagine if misder is town. could be 2kp mafia no 3p/3p w/ no kp and misder has a 1 shot kp ability as town. that is a possible world.


No. You aren't thinking this through logically at all. If misder is town then there is a MISSING mafia kp. Your protection didn't go off, cr couldn't heal me and so 1kp is missing and then someone is LYING about powers


remember when i talked to the mod about using my n1 power. the mod told me, if the same target is targeted by the same ability, priority is decided by RNG. possible explanation, possibly not; all i know is that if he is town and we are in mylo, we potentially lose.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:41 GMT
#3080
On November 08 2014 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ray might not have medic again. He said he doesn't know which abilities he gets.

Man i actually don't think damdred is scum.

Stay on course for cr.

Ve, why don't you want to lynch cr?


[QUOTE]On November 08 2014 18:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2014 17:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
If I had to pick a 3p, it would be Oatsmaster just off role speculation.

His name check ability sticks out to me. There is literally nothing that names do in this game, so putting this ability into the game doesn't make sense from a design perspective. Oats even decided to use this ability, while discarding vengeful and ability block, which are two wonderful abilities for either faction. He also decided to keep the martyr ability despite saying that he really doesn't want to use it.

Makes sense if he's 3p with a win-con that has to do with names, and the martyr ability can change his win con.

Maybe Misder could be 3p, but I think mafia is far more likely.[/QUOTE]
Dude I didn't have a choice in which abilities I discarded.
Also I'm not getting lynched so vengeful is bad, ability block is for myself which is bad.
Sooooo in essence, I got super lucky with the discards.

And seriously you can't even make up a plausible theory how me knowing role names helps me win the game. [/QUOTE

[QUOTE]On November 09 2014 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah man I really dont know about damdred.

Fine, ill be safe.
Misder.
Im gonna bed.
##vote Misder[/QUOTE]

what am i not reading here? how is misder the "safe play" we potentially lose if he is town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:42 GMT
#3081
On November 08 2014 16:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ray might not have medic again. He said he doesn't know which abilities he gets.

Man i actually don't think damdred is scum.

Stay on course for cr.

Ve, why don't you want to lynch cr?


On November 08 2014 18:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 17:29 Chairman Ray wrote:
If I had to pick a 3p, it would be Oatsmaster just off role speculation.

His name check ability sticks out to me. There is literally nothing that names do in this game, so putting this ability into the game doesn't make sense from a design perspective. Oats even decided to use this ability, while discarding vengeful and ability block, which are two wonderful abilities for either faction. He also decided to keep the martyr ability despite saying that he really doesn't want to use it.

Makes sense if he's 3p with a win-con that has to do with names, and the martyr ability can change his win con.

Maybe Misder could be 3p, but I think mafia is far more likely.

Dude I didn't have a choice in which abilities I discarded.
Also I'm not getting lynched so vengeful is bad, ability block is for myself which is bad.
Sooooo in essence, I got super lucky with the discards.

And seriously you can't even make up a plausible theory how me knowing role names helps me win the game.


On November 09 2014 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah man I really dont know about damdred.

Fine, ill be safe.
Misder.
Im gonna bed.
##vote Misder


fixed it
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:46 GMT
#3083
On November 09 2014 10:42 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know why you keep saying if he's town but no reasons why he's not mafia


because he has done literally nothing since d1 other than claim, and his claim, while confusing and i have no idea wtf is going on with it, doesn't read like made up kinda confusing. other than that all i got is the day 1 read from that post that you and i agreed on in the mason thread. so it's hard to defend the guy in any way, this just reminds me of the risk lynch. tons of unabated pressure, 0 people defending him, guy not even defending himself...it feels almost exactly the same.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 01:54 GMT
#3086
On November 09 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude this lynch is not at all like the risk thing.

For me, misder is definitely not town. Like he might not be scum but there's no chance he's town.


your read on misder is basically 80% of the reason i am not voting, because i think it is a pile of crap. you typed his name 4 total this phase before you voted on him. 2 were to ask him to claim and clarify his claim, 1 when you were asking VE about the sequence of his night actions, and then the last you're speculating with HF about him being a public assassin. then vote.

you have no read on him, and now suddenly there's 0 chance he is town. i think oats if full of crap.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:01 GMT
#3094
On November 09 2014 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude this lynch is not at all like the risk thing.

For me, misder is definitely not town. Like he might not be scum but there's no chance he's town.


your read on misder is basically 80% of the reason i am not voting, because i think it is a pile of crap. you typed his name 4 total this phase before you voted on him. 2 were to ask him to claim and clarify his claim, 1 when you were asking VE about the sequence of his night actions, and then the last you're speculating with HF about him being a public assassin. then vote.

you have no read on him, and now suddenly there's 0 chance he is town. i think oats if full of crap.

I don't see how this doesn't make sense.

Holy flare is persuasive.

I really could lynch like 3 people but lian isn't getting any love and cr is kinda like 90%-10% for me.


1) because you're the guy, from my past experience, when you think some1 is scum you will rail on them and vote them until they are dead 8x over; you have not done that in the slightest this entire game.

2) you literally had no read on the guy then suddenly it is so convincing that you're willing to peel off the scum read you've been most vocal about the entire game? how does that make sense? you had no read on the guy prior to this.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:12 GMT
#3105
On November 09 2014 11:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 11:01 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude this lynch is not at all like the risk thing.

For me, misder is definitely not town. Like he might not be scum but there's no chance he's town.


your read on misder is basically 80% of the reason i am not voting, because i think it is a pile of crap. you typed his name 4 total this phase before you voted on him. 2 were to ask him to claim and clarify his claim, 1 when you were asking VE about the sequence of his night actions, and then the last you're speculating with HF about him being a public assassin. then vote.

you have no read on him, and now suddenly there's 0 chance he is town. i think oats if full of crap.

I don't see how this doesn't make sense.

Holy flare is persuasive.

I really could lynch like 3 people but lian isn't getting any love and cr is kinda like 90%-10% for me.


1) because you're the guy, from my past experience, when you think some1 is scum you will rail on them and vote them until they are dead 8x over; you have not done that in the slightest this entire game.

2) you literally had no read on the guy then suddenly it is so convincing that you're willing to peel off the scum read you've been most vocal about the entire game? how does that make sense? you had no read on the guy prior to this.

Er yeah It's possible for me to change my mind.
Yes. That's a thing.




i just straight up don't buy this at all
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:21 GMT
#3109
i just am not buying what oats is selling at all, and that pile on from jayb makes me it even less attractive for me.

if you really think it is mathematically best to kill the person who is probably about to be modkilled, and can explain to me why it is mathematically correct, then i guess i have to.

otherwise i am voting oats.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:21 GMT
#3110
2nd part of above post directed @HF
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:25 GMT
#3114
On November 09 2014 11:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 11:12 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 11:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 09 2014 11:01 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude this lynch is not at all like the risk thing.

For me, misder is definitely not town. Like he might not be scum but there's no chance he's town.


your read on misder is basically 80% of the reason i am not voting, because i think it is a pile of crap. you typed his name 4 total this phase before you voted on him. 2 were to ask him to claim and clarify his claim, 1 when you were asking VE about the sequence of his night actions, and then the last you're speculating with HF about him being a public assassin. then vote.

you have no read on him, and now suddenly there's 0 chance he is town. i think oats if full of crap.

I don't see how this doesn't make sense.

Holy flare is persuasive.

I really could lynch like 3 people but lian isn't getting any love and cr is kinda like 90%-10% for me.


1) because you're the guy, from my past experience, when you think some1 is scum you will rail on them and vote them until they are dead 8x over; you have not done that in the slightest this entire game.

2) you literally had no read on the guy then suddenly it is so convincing that you're willing to peel off the scum read you've been most vocal about the entire game? how does that make sense? you had no read on the guy prior to this.

Er yeah It's possible for me to change my mind.
Yes. That's a thing.




i just straight up don't buy this at all

I say Oats isn't doing what I expected and you say im scummy for casting suspicion on Oats. Misder is up for lynch but you keep throwing shit at the lynch. While not pushing your own scum read. Now your throwing suspicion on Oats but doing it in such a weird way.

Do you think Oats is scum/3p. I don't get what your doing towards the end of the day. Why aren't you pushing your top scum read?


my scum read on you stems from the usage of your power, you not pushing obi after you had an apparent huge scum read on him and your disproportionate reaction to LT getting lynched as mafia when you had very little to do with it, and didn't push the read very hard. it is completely independent from oats.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 02:28 GMT
#3116
##vote: oats
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 09 2014 03:05 GMT
#3138
smh....
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 10 2014 03:05 GMT
#3187
guess i was wrong.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 10 2014 03:08 GMT
#3189
On November 10 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote:
so either a 2nd kp was blocked or mafia just have 1 kp and bh/gb were vigis, if there's no 3p in the game which is actually looking like there isn't then we only have to find the 1? town between:

alakaslam
damdred
liancourt
jaybrundage

4) ritoky
8) VisceraEyes
11) Alakaslam
13) Damdred
14) liancourt
16) Holyflare
17) jaybrundage


you didn't list CR
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
November 10 2014 03:14 GMT
#3193
Votes

There's a lot of vote manipulation going on, so I did my best to follow the voting thread and copy only what people typed in there. There may be a couple errors here.

Day One Final Vote Count

LordTolkien: jaybrundage, ritoky, Holyflare, Alakaslam, VisceraEyes, Seuss, risk.nuke, Circumstance, Blazinghand, jrkirby, Misder, oatsmaster, ObiWanShinobi
jrkirby: Damdred
Damdred: liancourt
CIrcumstance: GlowingBear, LordTolkien


LordTolkien has been lynched.


Day 2 Final Vote Count

risk.nuke: VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Holyflare, jrkirby, Oatsmaster, Misder, ObiWanShinobi
Oatsmaster: risk.nuke
Misder: Damdred, Jaybrundage, liancourt

Not voting: ritoky, Circumstance

OBLIVION!!!!
Jaybrundage: Alakaslam, ObiWanShinobi, risk.nuke, ritoky, Misder
ObiWanShinobi: Holyflare, VisceraEyes, liancourt, Jaybrundage, Oatsmaster, Seuss, Damdred, jrkirby

Not voting: Circumstance

Day Three Final Vote Count

Chairman Ray (1): Alakaslam
Damdred (3): VisceraEyes, liancourt, Misder
liancourt (1): Damdred
Misder (4): Chairman Ray, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, jaybrundage
Oatsmaster (1): ritoky

Misder has been lynched


Updated votes w/e flips:

This has me, HF, and VE colored as town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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