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mordek
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GhandiEAGLE
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I forgot about that rule x.x So Soniv's parity copping really doesn't show much of anything except a big likelihood of town :/ | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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jcarlsoniv
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On October 17 2014 00:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Wait, godfathers show up as town? I forgot about that rule x.x So Soniv's parity copping really doesn't show much of anything except a big likelihood of town :/ Correct. That's part of any detective role when they end up picking the GF. | ||
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Alzadar
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Requizen
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Voting actions Day 1 Day 1 he was adamant about getting people to vote, and called voting the most important aspect: On October 11 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Well I'm a vote (and posting) whore. But then again you probably knew that, stud. On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Why aren't people voting for scum? On October 12 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote: And how is voting dumb exactly? To those who care about the game, voting is absolutely everything. It is the only way most town members can exert any pressure at all and it is the only way at all we can win. And yet, he remained unvoted for most of the day - started with the Jeff vote (which I addressed previously), then removed it and jumped to Asmo (which I will discuss later), and after removing it, remained unvoted for nearly 24 hours. On October 13 2014 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I was much more confident earlier in the day, less so now. Pretty simple. Problem? He posted this right after going back to Asmo. Then, in a swing of votes, Ghandi was in line to get lynched above MoonBear. Wave should have been overjoyed: On October 13 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Tryhard posts can absolutely be incredibly scummy Req, but that's not the point. The point is we lynch Jeff today. On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town. Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO? Vote accordingly, people. Yet for no particular reason: On October 13 2014 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's see what happens. ##unvote ##vote:moonbear But, as soon as it was clear the MB train was going all the way to mislynch station: On October 13 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I know that, but I just don't think scum. Once again I ask, ladies and gents, shenannies? ##unvote On October 13 2014 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, I bet you're happy with your vote where it is, after fucking off and doing nothing all day. Let's go people. Votes off Jeff and MB. It's ASMO TIME ##Vote: AsmodeusIX Which leads us to our next point, Wave's view on "wasting" votes: On October 13 2014 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL Are you fucking serious right now? Do you honestly think I have had any reason at all to attempt to turn the town against ketchup? I am so incredulous with this. I'd also love to explain to you why you're throwing your vote away and making it easier for scum but RAWRR FIGHT THE POWER I guess so you won't listen I assume. And yet, how did his Day 1 vote end up? On October 13 2014 09:01 Dandel Ion wrote: AsmodeusXI (1): On a vote that he "threw away". Voting actions Day 2 This portion has the focal point of a single post, though it is not the only reference. This is his last post of Night 1: On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave. In case I die, scumreads are Soniv Asmo Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today. mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric Don't let anyone fall off the radar. Soniv and Asmo are his top picks. Let's circle back to that later. For now, let's look at his first post Day 2, and wonder about it: On October 14 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey cool, Wave is right about a whole bunch of stuff. ##vote: GhandiEAGLE Get out my game jeff. Why would you vote for Ghandi instead of your top two picks? Meta might say that this is just for fun, or a pressure vote, and that he was never intending to leave his vote there for an extended period of time. A fair assumption, but then why is he not using that pressure on his top two picks? And why, then, did he never vote for Asmo at all during the Day? Exacerbated by this: On October 14 2014 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: My voting you has nothing to do with the night kill, it's just a bonus really. And to be honest? You don't come off as much of anything. Not gonna argue and shit things up. Other people can comment as they please. I wonder if they killed Tolkien because he was next strongest townie that wasn't on 6ah's 'protect list.' 6ah if you successfully managed to WIFOM the scum into avoiding all of us that's pretty hilarious, because otherwise I would have bet that Alaric would have been the kill tonight. Kk gonna read lynchies yesterday. Lynchies are kinda like blushies except less nonexistent. If Jeff "doesn't come off as anything", why is he the first vote both days? Why does he constantly pressure him and vote for him, but never stay on that vote? It's suspicious. He then jumps on Jeff, says this: On October 16 2014 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I think if Jeff flips green we flat out lose. And then claims that he feels weak and pushes towards Coma, who isn't Mafia. He claims to feel "weak" in a couple different posts. Knowing he has a lot of people following him, he doesn't give any particular reason for leaving the Ghandi vote and going towards Coma (who to Scum!Wave is just another Townie), but rather gives gentle reasoning that pushes them. The end result of which turned out ok, since he was 3P instead of Town. However, the fact remains that Wave's "weakness" helped get a lot of people off of what they felt was a guaranteed Scum kill onto a lurker. Additionally, Wave has been on Asmo since Day 1: On October 12 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Reaaallllyyyy want to hear from joey joe joe carlson the 4th now that activity has picked up. As for the rest of you, take a good look at Asmo's few posts. Especially those that are voting Req for making excuses/martyring. Why are we not lynching [red]Asmo[red] right now? But suddenly all it takes is Asmo voting for Coma to see this: On October 16 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Asmo dropped the hammervote. Highly doubt he's scum now. Which he immediately went back on: On October 16 2014 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah, just remembered something random: Asmo is back on the table since hammering 3P doesn't mean shit. Easy cover for Scum!Wave. He had only mentioned Asmo in passing during the entirety of Day 2, despite him being top scum read next to Soniv. When he did, he still mentioned he thought Asmo was Scum but never put high pressure on him or voted for him. And suddenly all it took was a single vote for him to be Town for Wave. Now, this logic is not in and of itself bad. For Town!Wave, Scum!Asmo voting for someone he thought was also Scum didn't make sense, so for Town!Wave it would have been clearing evidence. But there is literally no reason to mention it in passing except to use it as a shield later. If we're dealing with Scum!Wave, he knew Coma would not flip Red. And if Coma flipped Green, Scum!Wave could have easily turned and pointed that it made Asmo a prime scum target again. I know many people assume Wave is Town at this point in time. That's fine, each person is entitled to their own opinion, that's the way games like this play. But in a room with 10 people, if 9 of them agree, it's the job of the tenth to disagree. Do not discount Wave, or anyone for that matter. I think everyone whose name isn't Cixah should be constantly under some level of suspicion from every player. Wave is currently my biggest scumread for the reasons listed here and in my previous post during Day 2. You may be free to disagree or agree, or ignore this post. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2014 00:44 Alzadar wrote: One thing I notice is that Requizen was around for the whole pre-lynch chaos but never changed his vote. What made you hold back, Req? My read on Coma was that he was just a lurker playing shitty. And, it turned out semi-true - he wasn't Scum, which is why I never got a distinctly scum feeling from him. I still have a pretty scum feeling about Ghandi, and I felt better about leaving my vote there than voting on someone I was less confident on. | ||
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mordek
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My town list: Cixah Soniv Alzadar Me Req Leaving owb, Asmo, Wave, Alaric. I mean Wave was in my town but I'll have to re-read Req's points. | ||
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mordek
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Requizen
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On October 17 2014 00:55 mordek wrote: Almost editted... and Ghandi! Ghandi as town or Ghandi as watchlist? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Sorry buddeh. | ||
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mordek
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On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit? And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup). I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time. Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though. Any thoughts on this post? I feel like the points raised are still pertinent. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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mordek
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Requizen
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On October 17 2014 01:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Req, flat out ignoring that post. Sorry buddeh. Wave, you've done nothing but deflect and avoid any claims against you. You even go so far as to discredit people who post against you, attacking their posting rather than their points against you. This does not look good on you, whether you want to admit it or not. If you're town, defend yourself, don't point at other people and scream about how Town your posting is, because it gets less believable each time you do it. Additionally, Wave, why have you not done anything about this claim: On October 16 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I will say this much, if he claims blue with very little time left that equates to a scumclaim for me at this point---it is absolutely not in town's interest to force the rest of town into a vote last minute without giving time to consider options. But then what happened? Soniv claimed blue: On October 16 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL. I was about to freak out that you checked 6ah and then I realized why you did. To the bolded, <3 u bebe. Unfortunately you don't play with me enough to know that I NEVER pick up on stuff like that. Rayn is always dropping hints and shit like that and I never get it. I'm pretty terrible in that regard. Alright ladies and gents, you heard the man. Votes off. ##unvote That is the biggest change of heart I've ever seen in my life. You then pushed people onto a Coma Vote as I talked about above. You are not helping your case by avoiding the issues, and even if you ignore the posts, other people won't. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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And as for req I'll defer to someone who had a primary scum read on him---the tunnel vision has gotten insanely out of hand, even for a newbie. Soniv these questions are for you but others can answer I suppose. Do you think it's possible for req to simply be sticking to his guns because A) it's easy to do and keeps him consistent B) because he knows a lynch on me will never gain traction and so he can't be held accountable? Like I still doubt I'd lynch the guy tomorrow over someone like owb for example but people have to admit it's getting a little bit insane, even for terrible town. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2014 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Alaric should be higher up on the suspicious list right now for everyone. His play has been classically good town play, but for all the people who keep throwing suspicion on me because I'm capable of lying/manipulating as scum, look at Alaric's play. He very clearly knows how to play mafia and knows exactly what he is talking about, and so should so know what town likes to hear. I also remember saying I originally liked his vote dump on coma but now that coma flipped 3P, it doesn't mean anything anymore similar to Asmo' hammer. (essentially either of them could have thought they were voting town) And as for req I'll defer to someone who had a primary scum read on him---the tunnel vision has gotten insanely out of hand, even for a newbie. Soniv these questions are for you but others can answer I suppose. Do you think it's possible for req to simply be sticking to his guns because A) it's easy to do and keeps him consistent B) because he knows a lynch on me will never gain traction and so he can't be held accountable? Like I still doubt I'd lynch the guy tomorrow over someone like owb for example but people have to admit it's getting a little bit insane, even for terrible town. On October 17 2014 01:19 Requizen wrote: Wave, you've done nothing but deflect and avoid any claims against you. You even go so far as to discredit people who post against you, attacking their posting rather than their points against you. This does not look good on you, whether you want to admit it or not. If you're town, defend yourself, don't point at other people and scream about how Town your posting is, because it gets less believable each time you do it. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Requizen
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On October 17 2014 01:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Req soniv claimed blue with more than enough time to deal with it. I have nothing to say to you anymore dude. You're either scum or you're horrible town, and either way you're distracting and useless. Get back to me and the rest of town when you get a clue. You can't just call everything I do deflecting because I refuse to engage your ridiculous notions anymore. When have you ever engaged anyone when they post about you? "I'm town as fuck" and "You don't know what you're talking about" and "That's terrible play" aren't engaging, and that's all you've done from Day 1. | ||
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