On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it.
Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff.
If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air.
Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
Are you asking who I would lynch between the two of you?
On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it.
Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff.
If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air.
Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared
On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it.
Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff.
If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air.
Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared
Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter.
Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why?
On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it.
Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff.
If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air.
Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared
Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter.
Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why?
Don't ask me why, but Wave has been consistent about him really feeling nervous about how ghandieagle was playing throughout the game. As much as I dislike a lot of how Wave plays, he's consistent with his information. It might be that asmo's last post in the thread really sent him a red flag, but if you noticed Wave's post earlier, it has ghandi(aka Jeff) as a scum read still
On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave. In case I die, scumreads are Soniv Asmo
Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff
Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today. mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric Don't let anyone fall off the radar.
On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote: Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press?
That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it.
Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff.
If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air.
Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared
Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter.
Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why?
Ah I see what you are saying now that I've re-read this post. My fault! Maybe I've been reading this thread too long.
On October 11 2014 10:23 ketchup wrote: I honestly would have been less suspicious of Wave if all his post said was to vote ghandi because he is young as shit. Instead he had to color code everything! The color coding is way too strong for me. Wave please QQQQ
What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment?
It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ
The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way.
Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?
This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum?
And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now.
It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever?
What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game
^ this basically would have been my response to wave
Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out.
In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side?
Jeff - why is Wave scum?
Wave - why is Jeff scum?
ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick?
Scumtactics 101, start shit, don't get hit. A whole bunch of questions, NONE of them actually go anywhere in terms of trying to get information for himself.
This was one of the early posts I made, and I was asking because on the first page of the game, you and jeff voted each other. How dare I ask for some reasoning for either votes? You can say I was starting shit, or you could look at it for what it was - very early D1.
Let's play 'count the number of times soniv doesn't take a stance on me:
On October 11 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] What about the colour coding makes me suspicious, o delicious condiment?
It's too try hard sir! I didn't expect that from you, nor do I think it was completely innocent in it's intention. QQ
The Alzadar posts so far are actually the most suspicious because it doesn't really help townies at all while pretending to give out information. The games played especially means nothing despite the effort put in to make it seem that way.
Elaborate on this, please. You seem to think that 'trying' is inherently scummy and I'm not following. As for your expectations and my intentions, how would you have any idea of either when you haven't played with me before?
This is boring so far. I'm bored. Why aren't people voting for scum?
And what scum are these? Jeff? It's going to take more than a sweeping declarative first post saying "vote jeff" to make me want to vote anyone right now.
It shouldn't. Sonib what make you of the yung ketchup and his seeming absolute refusal to take any real stance whatsoever?
What makes you think I have no real stance? I am just testing the waters, and seeing who responds in what way. I find that much more interesting than pretending that color coding anything helps anyone in game
^ this basically would have been my response to wave
Idk about you wave, but back in my day, we didn't just know who scum were right off the bat. We had to work at it, poke around, dig through trash to figure it out.
In all seriousness though, I'm with ketchup on Alzadar's posting. Going so far as to let a league game decide his side?
Jeff - why is Wave scum?
Wave - why is Jeff scum?
ketchup - do you think Wave's color coding is actually scummy? Or are you just calling it distracting to nitpick?
I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it was not something I imagined Wave doing as the first post after game started so I naturally am cautious around it. I admit I have not played with Wave, but I feel that post is 100% questionable, and should be pointed out. This is especially compounded by the fact that it was also a really quick vote on someone. So, I called him out on it.
Don't let the fact that he did something unexpected color your judgement - posting in a mafia game is completely different. Let what he says color your opinion.
@Cixah - trying to decide if wave is just being aggressive townie or taking advantage of the lesser experienced crowd to make a bold play. I'm feeling the former is probably correct - he can be a bloodhound when he wants to.
On October 11 2014 22:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I have to read the second half of your post but Alaric you are now officially my number one town read.
^
Alaric, I love your skepticism, don't lose it.
Keep in mind, even if Jeff does flip red (assuming he ends up being the lynch target), that does not at all prove Wave's towniness on its own merit - bussing a teammate is a common strategy, and a scum Wave would know how to do it. Wave's claiming protection was probably the sketchiest thing he's done thus far, but it's at least got viability behind it - if he comes out the gates as a super aggressive townie, pinpoints a scum and goes right for him, you bet your ass Wave will be a top priority scum target.
That said, Wave, we are still waiting for you to tell us why Jeff is scum. His posting is standard Jeff, which is unfortunate. I hope he starts taking the game seriously.
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@Cixah:
Swaglord is on your scummy list - ok, I agree. He has had bullshit, contentless posts thus far. But so has Jeff. There's not a whole lot to go on either of them, but Jeff is relatively fine in your eyes? Wave being your top read for the one reason you've given is honestly a bit silly.
Also - We will not know KP for sure until end of N1, and even then, all we'll know is how many people died. It won't tell us whether they're scum KP, town KP, etc. So we can get a rough idea once there's evidence, but speculating about numbers now, especially this early, isn't that useful.
That's all the "hard" thinking I can do until I get some coffee in me.
Ok, you quote two posts in which I don't take a stance on you.
First quote - I say that I think you're more likely town. Again, this post was very early on in the game (in response to the general concern about your aggressiveness early on), so no one has a clear read on anyone.
Second quote (bolded) - I'm still trying to figure out why you quote this. I'm saying that your claim for protection in your assertive first post has viability behind it. If you play really well day 1, find scum, and are really aggressively hunting reds, then scum would obviously want to take you out at night to remove the strongest link in the town. Protection would make sense in that case. Keep in mind, again, that this is early in the game when I have a town read on you.
Just a little sidenote here. This post comes almost directly after he says Alzadar is his top scumread:
On October 11 2014 21:52 Cixah wrote: Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you?
Wave is 70% Town. At this point he's really driving the discussion, I don't think he would such a central role if he was scum.
I'd like to mention that MoonBear and ComaDose have made only the same kind of "observation with no conclusion" style posts that you all seem suspicious of me for.
Which leads me to say - I feel like there must be some scum among those who are suspicious of me: after Wave and Soniv declared their suspicion I became an easy target for people to say "oh I'm suspicious of Alz" without actually contributing anything new.
ketchup in particular has focused entirely on Wave and myself (both of us already being under suspicion when he did), and has basically only repeated arguments other people had already said.
Ok, so who among your accusers (there really only have been a few) do you believe to be scum? Ketchup was actually fairly early on in the Alzadar and Wave suspicions. Do you think ketchup is scum? If not, who?
Does this look like he's truly trying to learn about Alz's alignment? Also pretty damning is HE COMPLETELY DROPS ALZADAR FOR THE REAMINDER OF HIS FILTER. Where did that suspicion on him go exactly?
The majority of D1, I was working under the assumption that I had correctly pegged MB as red. Alzadar was my first read, and after most of the thread chastised him, his posting shaped up a bit. I was halfway satisfied with his activity, and was curious to see what his play turned into, so I kept off of him. You're right, I didn't keep on him as I probably should have, but I'm curious about him again, and his filter is my next stop.
Like...do I even need to keep going?
Soniv says what he needs to at the time to appease people. Look at his early responses to my grilling him---tosses out a scumread that means absolutely nothing and then drops it. Questions people without any direction whatsoever. I've already spoken about what I think of his vote/push on MB. He didn't even do the majority of the work on it, he just sat on it.
Soniv is absolute primary lynch tomorrow.
Look, I understand why you think I'm scum, and I know you're really excited because you think you got one with his hand on his dick. But you're just not correct.
On October 14 2014 06:20 ketchup wrote: Comadose: Still hasn't done anything. I dislike his play so far as it is just afkmode or lurking. He doesn't give reads despite saying he will. Compare this to owb who gave town small new information that people hadn't pointed out yet. I feel much better with owb than coma even though both have had similar thread interactions. I have a feeling Coma will keep lurking because people aren't making enough of an issue about it. So again, I will ping out coma here.
Well I did lean in with my opinions on some things I'm scared to stick my neck out too far during the night too because I am not as confident.
One thing I weigh in on is of the "three big ones" or w.e. (refering to wave, lord tolk, and soniv) two of them were actively posting what looked like good advice right up to the end of the day and one of them was riding their vote to the finish line, which turned out to be bad.
Also Lord Tolk said that soniv was totally cleared for that and I wonder if he stands by that in light of waves new posts? Is the reason still because a mafia wouldn't stick their neck that far out?
Either way I agree with Alaric we shouldn't look at just these three big players. if we can push other players and get better leads we shouldn't keep our focus on the big mommy daddy battle.
I feel like req is town and cixah too obviously, ghandhi seems sketchy for joining the moonbear train, while other people have valid explanations for doing so.
Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example:
On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote: Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.
Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.
First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit.
Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to.
It did remind me of two things as well.
1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol.
2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus.
On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote: If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with?
On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote: If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with?
At work still so this EoN post will be much shorter than what i normally spew out.
1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you. 2) Soniv or Wave wagon fine if questionable for d2. Should still press other options. 3) Again, depending on what alignment you think jeff is, examine the votecount. if jeffs scum in your eyes, scum is more likely on the MB wagon. If town, they're likely anywhere, but probably were idling on non-votes. The MB counterpush at EoD was pretty palpable. 4) lots of people will be reevaluated when i get home. Highly doubt ill get shot lol. If so, lelscum. 5)
On October 14 2014 08:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote: apparently my timing is also unfortunately convenient given tolkien is just now getting antsy about my lurking.
its legit coincidence.
Get that post in fast since end of night is in 30 minutes.
1) Cixah: This is really easy, if he flips IC then he's IC, whatever, on the off-chance he DOESNT I think he's clearly under (massive) suspicion. Talking about him right now is basically useless though.
2) Req: Req, to me at first, was all town, but I think as the game goes on he seems to be getting smarter and smarter about the game, which while inciting my instinctual paranoia, hasn't necessarily meant anything. I've gotten increasingly suspicious after his dogged pursuit of Wave, but that's the pot calling the kettle black on that one, so I'm a little afraid to go there just yet.
3) Ketchup: Dude is totally town. He's said some good things, and hes said some very wrong things, but overall he keeps steering us towards proper discussion, and he's also defended me from the beginning, so I think he's about as clearly town as anyone but Cixah can be right now.
4) Soniv is where things start to get sketchy. I was originally for him being town and Wave, his counterpart in this game (isnt that IRONICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC) being scummy scum. Lately, I've begun to reflect on his posts more negatively than before, especially since they're much more deflective than I realized. Additionally, he flipped on posts a lot. And also in the small amount mafia I've read externally, saying "THE _____ WILL BLEED RED" usually points to mafia. That might just be due to my lack of experience though. I don't think hes on the chopping block, but I do think that he should be under a lot of investigation
5)ComaDose: What a lurker. Adds NOTHING. Might not even be a bad lynch come the daytime if he continues this posting pattern
6) WaveofShadow: Wave has been under a lot of scrutiny tonight, but the passion that some people had for lynching him thanks to his obnoxious martyring has died down a little bit, myself included. I used to think that such aggressive posting was a big no-no, but I think Wave is probably too smart to try and belligerently paint a target on himself like that. I still don't trust him though.
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