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##Unvote ##Vote: MoonBear I don't think I'm changing that anymore since it's dinnertime. Let's see what the night brings. | ||
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Stupid no editing. | ||
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Damn It. I gotta rethink my strategy here. Clearly that didn't work. fk | ||
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MoonBear was a big mistake (at least partially on my shoulders) that fit right into the scum plan. LordTolkien, God rest his soul, died for that same agenda. I have made mistakes in this game. I plan to correct them with scum bodies. That body is Soniv. This hurts because I like the townie front Soniv puts on, but that’s because it’s a damn good front for scum. It starts with the MoonBear vote. Unfortunately, the MoonBear attack on D1 makes a lot of sense: MB’s posts are weird, don’t contribute much, and he more or less falls off the map. For the same reason, I also suspect him and, because MB’s a lurker, I manage to convince Alaric as well and generally keep the bandwagon rolling. This all seems well and good… so much so that there’s really no reason to directly suspect Soniv to be scum from this alone. We all make mistakes. BUT I believe that the MB mislynch was the first part in a scum plan to use crappy town play (like mine) and low-level lurking to kill off town players at the bottom of the barrel, while the mafia blows away the best town targets, such as LT. Annoying as he was, LT was one of the more useful townie players and, by claim, still had the possibility to hold a special role. Obviously, I think that the main scum target for would be Wave, but killing off Wave so early would’ve silenced a voice that, even indirectly, was giving cause for chaos and confusion and anger from townies. The fire started with ketchup (Alz earliest, but still) and caught easily, making Wave an unwitting ally of the scum. LT, on the other hand, may have rallied after trolling to lead the town closer to victory. That couldn’t stand, so he dies. I think this line of thought (and the plan altogether) takes experience to figure out during D1, and that also leads me toward Soniv. Taken alone, this could be considered paranoia and reading too deeply into things. However (and as ketchup notes), it’s happening again. First, Soniv goes on Ghandi, creating a short-lived alliance between him and Wave just as Wave’s finished gunning for him. It’s easy to attack Ghandi since he was on LT’s list and on the top of Wave’s plus he hasn’t been around a lot to defend himself, putting him in the “semi-lurking, only maybe town camp.” That benefits Soniv possibly more than town, EVEN if Ghandi’s scum. But then, the target jumps to one that’s even easier: Coma. Barely posts, total lurk, easy target. And lo and behold, there’s a nigh-immediate bandwagon. That’s scary strong. Even worse, I don’t think that a lurker lynch serves the town past D1, not when our numbers dwindle so much. If town mislynches again, shit’s going to seem hopeless because we’ll really be grasping at straws. Especially if the polarizing figures of Wave and Ghandi remain in the game after N2 along with whatever remaining scum exists. People have been saying Wave’s manipulating the game. If so, it’s far too obvious. I think the real game’s manipulator is Soniv and his scum goons (possibly Ghandi, Req, and/or Alz). ##Vote: Soniv | ||
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Damn I can't keep up with y'all. | ||
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On October 14 2014 14:15 ketchup wrote: Damnit Asmo. Why do you have to post something legit on me like this. Because I'm town-bro like you guys. I'm just shit at posting with frequency and it takes a lot of thought for me to pull something out like that. Plus, I needed your and Wave's help. | ||
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After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum). Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff. For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed): On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: at least someone is coming to their senses When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas). @Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job. owb is less clear. Not a lot of content, lots of questioning without a real opinion in a while, and his last vote with an OMGUS against Jeff. That doesn't look very town. On October 14 2014 11:29 onlywonderboy wrote: Holy shit I might just lynch Jeff for this post. I was more active than him during the first half of the night phase and then he comes out of no where and makes this post. Which fine, I've been away for a lot of the game, but I had also posted this before You even reading the thread? It's fine that you were away because of real life responsibilities, but I'm scum for it? Okay. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE owb for me at the moment is leaning scum, just from those three things, now that I think about them. But he could also be genuinely curious and unsure in a mafia game. His posts read like they do in RL. So I can't be sure. I also can't get a read on mordek to save my life, but with a soniv vote that leans me in favor of town for now, just for agreement's sake. We'll see. As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place. TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood. | ||
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On October 15 2014 10:56 ComaDose wrote: besides the lack there of That's mostly it, I think. Vagueness and minimal posting = easy scum read. | ||
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On October 15 2014 11:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't like this post nearly as much as your first one. The meat of this paragraph is coming from the assumption that I am manipulating people, specifically Requizen. This is so ridiculously off base. I saw the intereactions between ketchup and Requizen. I then began pressing him as well. He shut down and became erratic under any hint of pressure. Everyone is excusing it because it's Requizen, and I'm calling bullshit. And once again, you're parroting this "fake anger" thing. And I will repeat - Wave's play is frustrating me, and I'm trying to maintain a level headedness. You are taking Wave's misguided crosshairs as gospel and using that to justify something that is simply untrue. I'm not excusing it, I'm saying I'm buying it so far. Req's posting style all over this site reads like this on his bad days, and you and I both know that. His last game went into this direction at points, and you were in it with him. You're a good enough player that if you wanted to take advantage of that, I think you could. Again, Wave wasn't the one who pointed that out. Sure he jumped on the idea, but it was Alaric's observation. Maybe Wave's collusion is hinting that he's looking to get you lynched as a scummer. Maybe it means he and Alaric are in it together for the scum glory. But I doubt it. The possibility is there and it fits with the subtlety of the scum play I'm accusing you of so far. Lynching a lurker D1 and lynching a lurker D2 are two wildly different things. The way things are going, I still maintain that the majority of this thread is town yelling at each other while the scum just sit quietly and get by with minimal posting. Because this is a game of mafia noobs and seemingly busy people, I'm guessing there are just as many (read: more, because of the scum:town ratio) townies lurking. I think pointing a lurker gun hits town more often than scum. I lumped Jeff in with the "scummy as fuck lurkers" because, as said above, there is a larger than I'm comfortable with number of scummers hiding in the lurkers. Because let's face it, half of the players in this game are not posting enough. Earlier on, I believe I said something to the effect of "just because LT is dead doesn't mean you can get off scot free and not post anymore" to him, and so I'm trying to keep him honest. There are lots of lurkers, and I wish other people would be addressing them directly as well. That bolded part at the end serves absolutely no purpose other than to shed me in a negative light. It's pure conjecture with no basis. You're right. I shouldn't have included that. It was a tangential thought based on one of your earlier scum reads. Probably doesn't apply now. Perhaps this is the best opportunity for a question: do you prefer a Coma or Ghandi lynch, of your two non-Req (and me I guess) candidates? That's really what that section was about: your priorities. I don't understand why you'd be praising his scum play. He's playing so scummy that there's no way he's scum? And therefore it's masterful? Not a chance. I don't know how well Req can fake his angry self. That's what would make it impressive to me. Can't do much about that. I can talk about it now or later, but when so much of what you and others are saying is factored around non-participation, it's relevant. I'm not going to let it be part of the case against me. + Show Spoiler [Participation] + I misjudged the time I would need to take part in this game well. That's what it comes down to and I bet its the same for others. We can discuss it further later. I didn't convince LT of shit, I haven't had to defend myself until today, after he was dead. He made that read based on what he saw of me in game, I don't really think I had many 1 on 1 interactions with him. Welcome to my scum list Asmo. Your first case post was good. This one reeks of scum trying to keep the momentum on this bandwagon because wave is stirring up enough trouble to keep it viable. That's what I meant by "convince": your in-game play was towny enough to keep LT off you. It wasn't direct, it was far better. And it worked on me. Not hard, certainly, but I think it worked on LT as well. | ||
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I didn't think there were any other super essential outstanding questions for me to answer here from my quick read-through. If anyone disagrees, I'll be reading close up till deadline and will try to answer. | ||
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On October 16 2014 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I want people's scumreads other than soniv/jeff. Actually I think it's time to stop discussing them entirely unless you have something new to bring to the table. Asmo who is your third? Argh this is such a rough call since I think they're in the "not-posting-a-ton-so-I-don't-totally-get-them" camp. I don't THINK Coma is scum, but he could still flip red (just unlikely to me). Same with Req, but he's more vocal and that ground been trodden. owb is a bit suspicious to me, mordek is suspicious to me (less so), Alz still is a wee bit suspect (mostly lack-of-post related). Alaric is a damn weird case. I love his posts but I feel like I won't be surprised if he flips scum. It'd be one of those "FUCK I SHOULD'VE SEEN THIS COMING" scenarios. That might just be paranoia though. Pressed for a third... I think my biggest candidate right now is owb. But really I've just been looking at the top two. I haven't searched for the final scum yet. | ||
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Well I'm lost. | ||
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I mean, not so lost I won't vote Jeff. | ||
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Wow. wtfever I'll do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alzadar | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + LOMO BITCHES | ||
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