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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 16:36 GMT
#302
Only Wave has directly claimed to be something (VT). It seems pointless to claim VT on day 1. Moonbear is the only one to mention cops.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 17:09 GMT
#304
On October 11 2014 18:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Vote Count

GhandiEAGLE (1): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): GhandiEAGLE
Alzadar (1): Cixah

Not voting (11): The rest

Currently, GhandiEAGLE is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in

Remember that voting is mandatory.


Probably important side-note: you missed a vote when counting:

On October 11 2014 11:12 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sweet then you can help me lynch our first scummer.

Right then


Lynch wav gaiz.

#vote WaveofShadow
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 18:10 GMT
#311
I wasn't focusing on you ketchup, just using you as an example of suspecting me without mentioning any new evidence. Other culprits of this are Cixah and Requizen, who I hadn't noticed until your vote made me check his posts.

I don't see why townies would bother to bandwagon at all. But if you were all mafia you'd be pretty stupid to all do the same thing. So I think one of you three at least is scum, but need more posts from Requizen to get a firm opinion on him.

So let me ask you three: other than my posting meta-information and suggesting it's useful (which I still believe, but no point in going down there if everyone disagrees), what makes you suspicious of me? Please avoid repeating things Soniv and Wave have said.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 19:23 GMT
#335
@ Req and Moonbear:

On October 10 2014 00:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
I should probably note that that is absolutely not required since I'm going to completely RNG the roles and alignments


We shouldn't base anything off of "what would Dandelion pick", because he said it's random.

Still waiting for Cixah or Req to explain what made them suspicious of me without resorting to repeating Wave and Soniv. And claiming innocence based on noobiness is garbage because we're almost all noobs here.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 19:34 GMT
#354
On October 12 2014 04:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol. MB see my post directed at Req above.
Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up?
I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever.

It was also wrong. Clearly had a 67% margin of error at least.


Numbers taken straight from the database in this subforum, I just looked them up. They may be inaccurate, but the point wasn't fine precision number of games.

Still nothing from Cixah to shake my scum feeling. He's just repeating things Wave said, trying to look constructive while adding nothing. So tentatively...

##Vote: Cixah
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 19:46 GMT
#365
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.

Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 19:58 GMT
#378
On October 12 2014 04:48 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 04:34 Alzadar wrote:
On October 12 2014 04:25 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 12 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol. MB see my post directed at Req above.
Why the fuck does Alzadar's 'look how many games so and so have played' shit list keep popping up?
I honestly can't believe anyone at all thought it had any use whatsoever.

It was also wrong. Clearly had a 67% margin of error at least.


Numbers taken straight from the database in this subforum, I just looked them up. They may be inaccurate, but the point wasn't fine precision number of games.

Still nothing from Cixah to shake my scum feeling. He's just repeating things Wave said, trying to look constructive while adding nothing. So tentatively...

##Vote: Cixah


40 minute drive home op.

I'm role claiming. Innocent Child

While this doesn't have really any effect unless you buy into it and let me live until morning That's your call.


Can we talk about this? Given that he's the current lynch candidate, it's either a gambit as Mafia Vigilante/Poisoner to get off his kill or he's telling the truth.

I assume, Cixah, that you'll have this confirmed for day 2?

I think we can be sure there aren't TWO innocent children, so I'm willing to believe Cixah on this unless someone else comes forward as Innoncent Child. Of course, there could be no Child at all and we'd be letting Cixah bluff his way into blowing one of our brains out.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 20:06 GMT
#388
The Innocent claim is stronger because there's only one (surely?), so if you claim it and then there's someone else who claims it you're in shit, whereas nobody can say you're lying about being VT on day 1.

I'm keeping my vote for now until I decide who a better pick is.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 20:11 GMT
#390
RTFM MoonBear. Those are the possible roles, we don't know which are actually in the game.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 11 2014 22:00 GMT
#451
P.S. for those unaware it is Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend, if there are long lulls in my posts it's because I'm stuffing my face.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2014 16:35 GMT
#518
On October 12 2014 22:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:Mordek/Alzadar - do you still think 6ah is a worthy vote? Why? Would you want him dead over MoonBear? Do you have a scum read/reason for someone other than MoonBear?


No. I'm satisfied with the Innocent Child claim for now, since nobody has disputed it.

##Unvote: Cixah

Anyways:

OWB is fully lurker atm, hopefully he shows up later today. Coma's semi-lurking but he's Canadian so he gets a pass for this weekend.

Now I know it seems I'm hopping on a bandwagon here, but I've been thinking this for awhile and it's my strongest read yet: Lord Tolkien. Everything he's done so far has been empty distraction tactics:

-already noted, but constantly saying "we should policy lynch lurkers, but I don't like policy lynch", even when at the time he was the only one even mentioning policy lynchings. He's trying to distance himself from it while still indirectly pushing for a lynch on OWB/Coma.

-random video spam, this is just annoying and shits up the topic and his filter

-he keeps repeating how my games played list was inaccurate. Why? I've already said I just took the numbers from the database, if those are wrong I can't help it. The point of the list wasn't to plug the numbers into an equation sqrt(x/y) = scum, just to point out "these guys are vets, these guys have played a bit, the rest of us are forum mafia nooblords". Despite everyone (except Coma) deriding that post I still think it's worth knowing - it's just extra information to take note of, obviously it shouldn't solely colour your judgement.

-I don't know what I think about his wall post last page. He does end with a vote so it's not just fluff like some other previous, but it doesn't feel like a hugely insightful post either.

##Vote: Lord Tolkien

My only misgiving is his voting for MoonBear, who is my second pick for scum.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2014 18:55 GMT
#539
I'd like to hear something from the no-votes. It should be 8-9pm now for Alaric? Cast a vote son.

MoonBear, what do you think of Lord Tolkien? Is he scummier than you?
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2014 19:00 GMT
#541
Didn't see Alaric's post before I posted, in case that's confusing.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#558
Would still to hear a vote from you Wave.

We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating


So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s?

Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 12 2014 19:43 GMT
#567
Why is it better to shoot a lurker in the night than to lynch them?
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 04:35 GMT
#807
This is from a ways back but the thread exploded while I was at dinner:

You guys were all discussing what to do if MB didn't show up, whether to lynch + modkill or just kill
MB. Then MB came and voted, making the discussion moot. Wave says "stfu about that now, let's talk about relevant stuff", and then ketchup pulls this "nu-uh, you're not my mom" bullshit. There's nothing wrong with trying to refocus the thread back towards the impending vote once the modkill was no longer going to happen.

This doesn't make me think ketchup is scum but it's definitely not helping us to jump down Wave's throat in an instance when his direction is obviously legitimate.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 04:59 GMT
#809
Hardly well-trod and not really resolved. People moved on because that was the point but now it's night and we've got time to kill.

If you want to hear a new line of thought Soniv could you explain what you meant here:
On October 13 2014 08:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
nah man, I'm comfortable leaving my vote where it is.

There was a wagon on LT, given momentum by you. There was a subsequent re-wagon on Jeff. Wanna know who gave that one momentum? You. *gasp*

If the Bear bleeds like I think he will, I'm comin' for ya buddy


On October 13 2014 08:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
(PS - I think MB will flip red)

I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 05:03 GMT
#811
Also hardly well-trod when just last page Wave is still posting stuff like

On October 13 2014 09:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
I won't discuss what I think people should be doing at night or not because again I'll probably be yelled at.
Do what you want.


i.e. useful discussion being stifled, which is anti-town even if it's not intentional scum.
I am the Town Medic.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 14:46 GMT
#816
On October 13 2014 20:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2014 13:59 Alzadar wrote:
Hardly well-trod and not really resolved. People moved on because that was the point but now it's night and we've got time to kill.

If you want to hear a new line of thought Soniv could you explain what you meant here:
On October 13 2014 08:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
nah man, I'm comfortable leaving my vote where it is.

There was a wagon on LT, given momentum by you. There was a subsequent re-wagon on Jeff. Wanna know who gave that one momentum? You. *gasp*

If the Bear bleeds like I think he will, I'm comin' for ya buddy


On October 13 2014 08:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
(PS - I think MB will flip red)



Explain what? I thought moonbear would flip red ("bleed red"), and that if he did, there was a strong possibility of Wave being scum as well.

Day 1, Wave swung his weight around, and he did give momentum to bandwagons when he did vote. Both bandwagons seemed determined to get the lynch away from MB, so I thought I was right. I was not.


But when you made that post Wave still had his vote on MoonBear. Wave unvotes and calls for votes off MoonBear after you made that post (the post immediately after, so maybe it was simultaneous, but you can't have been reacting to him).
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 19:01 GMT
#933
On October 14 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think those were contradictory---I think Alz was saying it was anti-town that discussion was being stifled not, that I was the one doing it. He can clarify though.


You've got the right of it.

On October 14 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.

I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much.

This alone should be suspicious. Scum are playing well when they draw no focus.


Although true I guess, it this really "suspicious"? If it's suspicious to not be under suspicion...
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