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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
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October 17 2014 15:10 GMT
#1577
.: Case on SQRT

Sqrt brings odd early reads, which you can find in the spoiler

+ Show Spoiler [early reads] +


On October 12 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
CR: Inflating filter, not doing much. Posts like this:
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On October 12 2014 06:59 Chairman Ray wrote:
Prime Claims:
Hopeless1der

or this:
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On October 12 2014 08:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'll do everyone a huge favor and just come out as town. I rolled town for the first time in 10 games. Pretend I am innocent child. Now you have one less person to read into.

are completely different from what I remember of him playing, back in team melee mafia.


On October 12 2014 08:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
VE:
Townreads geript, self confirms town, self proclaims best medic save, ect.
Not rubbing with me in the right way.


On October 12 2014 08:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
geript:
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On October 12 2014 07:22 geript wrote:
This is going to be sweet. I think we're all town. I wonder who between DP, VE and myself they're going to risk shooting.

And then the next post:
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On October 12 2014 07:27 geript wrote:
Hopeless, Damdred and Sqrt are the only people I'm interested in lynching right now. I'm going to watch the pro tour for a bit, but I'm like 65% sure both DP and VE are town which is better than expected for now. So we're probably looking at just killing the weak links for an easy win.



This post:
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On October 12 2014 07:37 geript wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:27 geript wrote:
Hopeless, Damdred and Sqrt are the only people I'm interested in lynching right now. I'm going to watch the pro tour for a bit, but I'm like 65% sure both DP and VE are town which is better than expected for now. So we're probably looking at just killing the weak links for an easy win.


I kinda like hopeless at the moment.

I could be wrong on him. His posting just felt a bit like in the other not to be named game where he was mafia. Very much like he's talking about the game from the outside. And his response to me very much reminded me of when Palmer said "whoever thinks they're obvious town should come out so I can sheep them" in some game; I did it as mafia and got lynched like a bitch at day or two later.

looks like buddying DP. I don't like that.


On October 12 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
GB:
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On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.

Firstly: This is not try harding.

Secondly: Why would you not try your best?

Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me.


Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me.

It looks like scum try hard.

Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?"


Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis?

Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion.



Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia

could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time?


Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia
DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.

Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment.

and then
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On October 12 2014 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:40 DarthPunk wrote:
What the fuck is it with people whinging about try harding.

Firstly: This is not try harding.

Secondly: Why would you not try your best?

Makes no sense and annoys the shit out of me.


Raising suspicions on someone because he thinks that a guy that only posted an entrance COULD be mafia, instead is thinking that the guy IS mafia, is try hard for me.

It looks like scum try hard.

Your vote on damdred was also bizarre. Damdred looks terrible for what reason, specifically? You say you don't have a is about his alignment yet but still votes on him because "you don't care?"


Congratulations, you successfully recited what happened in the thread. Care to draw a conclusion? or provide some analysis?

Damdred looks terrible because his posts were useless and made no positive contribution to the thread. Which is pretty damn obvious in my opinion.



Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia

could you rephrase this so that it makes sense this time?


Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia
DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.

Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment.

DP is intentionally trying to look scummy? is that your argument here?


I'm saying he could. I don't want to discuss that anymore, really.


Why would he not want to discuss his own scumreads?


On October 12 2014 08:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
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On October 12 2014 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:48 geript wrote:
I almost forgot. All named VTs must 100% claim now.

Is this like claiming miller but helpful instead? What about the possible game mods.

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On October 12 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:54 geript wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:48 geript wrote:
I almost forgot. All named VTs must 100% claim now.

Is this like claiming miller but helpful instead? What about the possible game mods.

I'm 100% sure that BH would do a balanced setup and it gives important information on preventing fakeclaim messes that numpties will fuck up later. Plus I'm a boss at figuring out setups.

Okay well I'm Prime.

This is the thing I don't like.
If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least.


So, his motives for scumreading people is basically "he is trying to inflate filter with two posts", "geript is trying to buddy someone", "GB doesn't want to talk about his scumread", "hopeless claimed prime".

Why is this mafia trait?: giving this bad reasoning and immediately lurking sounds like someone who just tried to look like he is trying to figure out the game, but actually isn't, and went full lurkage to avoid drawing attention, which he successfully did.

Then, he comes back to the thread and post this:

On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null
Kush hasn't done anything.
Neither has Sn0.
Ritoky is interesting. I have no idea what all the food pictures are.
Oats is town.


My vote is on glowingbear. Don't expect me to talk until tuesday.


So, he says that Barakos has good posts but he doesn't know about Rayn. Says obvious things about kush and Sn0 without giving his thoughts of what this means regarding alignments. Says Ritoky is interesting (why exactly? Ritoky was posting but wasn't contributing, he just posted a lot of bullshit and lurked). Then he says OATS IS TOWN. WHAT? WHY? A lot of people was in doubt regarding oats alignment. How does Oats is so certainly town? And if he thinks Oats is town, WHY DOES HE THINKS SO?

How can he say that if he clearly isn't reading the thread or busy with thanksgiving? (remember: he didn't know rayn replaced barakos)

Then he votes on me and goes lurking again, not caring for the lynch! And he didn't even bring reasons to vote me. He simply voted. I'll assume, then, that I am his strongest scumread (this will be important for further analysis)

Why is this mafia trait?: as mafia, if you see wagons being formed on townies, you don't care for the votecount. You can simply drop your vote and fuck off because certainly a mislynch will occur. If you're townie, you'll make sure that your strongest scumread is voted or at least agree with a wagon brought by someone else, but reasoning your agreement. Not simply randomly dropping votes.

Then, he posts that next to deadline reads:

On October 15 2014 06:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
GlowingBear is looking town. Excellent posts such as these:
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On October 14 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:
"Base Setups - pick one at random:
A) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 1 Fraction, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
B) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Fraction, 8 Fours
C) 2 Square Roots, 1 π, 1 Prime, 1 Negative Nine Thousand Three Hundred and Seventy-Eight, 8 Fours
D) 1 Square Root, 1 π, 1 i, 2 Primes, 8 Fours

Modifications - pick one at random:
1) Remove one Four and add one Prime.
2) Use setup as-is.
3) Remove one Prime and add one Four if possible."

You have to roll D AND 3 to have 3 primes.
1/4 . 1/3 = 1/12

0.083 chance. No fucking way.

By the way, I suck at math. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet


Then


On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:
On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless?


I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics.

Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town.


Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us.

1) Why aren't you sharing it with us?
2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me?
3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon?

Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built:

On October 14 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Geript, why put in that much work on Oats and not vote him? It seems like the only reason that you are voting me is some twisted meta read that is invalidated in the same game that we were playing and the game I posted.

This feels like you are trying to look towny and trying to find a good mislynch to me. Soft pushing oats to see if it picks up traction while hardpushing me for the easy mislynch today

##Vote Geript


How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now?

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On October 15 2014 02:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like ALL of the setups include at least one prime - so mafia KNOW FOR A FACT that if they claim Prime, SOMEONE ELSE will ALSO claim Prime and fuck up their day.


Condition (3) can make a game without primes.
Condition (1) can make a game with 2 primes

There is also a base setup with 2 primes and the possibility of having three primes.

I find it very safe to claim prime.

I'm actually getting inclined to believe hopeless fake claimed now.

Show that he's working to figure out the game.

Same thing with rayn. He's town.
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On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night.
GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed.
DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB.
Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him.

Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game.

I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town.

sqrt's posting is just terrible.

ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline.

kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way.



The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please.

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On October 15 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 15 2014 01:14 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 15 2014 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE is basically never ever going to be mafia after last night.
GB seems frustrated in a townie way in people scumreading him. The only thing against him would be he suddenly fucked off before the lynch when another wagon that was not him formed.
DarthPunk and Hopeless are town, don't be dumb with this GB.
Damdred is town, most likely. I have already made a town case on him.

Chairman Ray is still bit of a question mark so do not totally count him out. He has basically made a case on sqrt and then... well pretty much nothing. We need you to prove you are town CR, there are just too many people lurking the fuck out of the game.

I already told what i think of geript and why. Maybe i'll tonight find the game where he acted similarly. I totally forgot about that one and in case geript is mafia which i assume that would most likely make GlowingBear town.

sqrt's posting is just terrible.

ritoky hasn't said anything rememberable and there is something i am going to check regarding him before the deadline.

kush is just not playing and only talks about unimportant stuff like modkills, spamming etc etc. The only thing he has said on D1 is a townread on GB (or rather -- it wasn't a townread, it was "cases on GB are bad") without explanation. scum!kush cannot force himself to read filters so calling someone who is town town makes sense as he didn't even comment on the cases in ANY way. Then there is the shitty vote on VE which is also not explained in any way.



The problem is there are too much lurkers. There are three people completely lurking and ritoky kinda semi-lurking (i call it lurking when people do not take part into discussion and talk about irrelevant things). They can't all be mafia even if geript is, and atm i do strongly believe geript is mafia. Step up your fucking game townies in that pool. Or at least TRY to play the game. Please.


How did you switch to strong townread VE?

Why geript flipping mafia would make me town?

Regarding oats lynch, I was at work and couldn't do much, but he was one of my strongest scumreads so I was ok with his lynch. I only started doubting when I realised how fast the wagon on him was formed and after noticing the vote count.

How can you affirm both hopeless and DP are town? Don't get me wrong, I'm also reading them as town now, but I find the possibility of having 3 primes very low.

Also, what else made you drastically change your town read on geript to a scumread? Only his meta argument on damdred?

I slept over it and it doesn't make any sense for mafia!VE to act like he did after the lynch. As mafia VE is rational and altogether a good player as scum. As town he is also good but sometimes (well.. in fact quite often ) driven by emotion rather than logic which is what he did at D1 end and N1 start. Especially you should be reading him town. Why would VE lynch Oats (while kind of contradicting himself) instead of just placing his vote on you (who he had a scumread on) when geript is not getting lynched any more? It's just far more likely he just followed DP onto Oats and then flipped his shit when he realized he should have just believed himself.

Let's just say i don't think you are mafia regardless of geript's affiliation. It would just strengthen my read because of how geript likes to play. Why are you even asking this? You should be happy someone will believe you are near 100% town if geript flips mafia. I am not going to evaluate on my townreads unless people want to lynch them and are pushing the town to wrong track. Noone wants to lynch you so the discussion is useless in the first place. I am also pretty sure you wouldn't understand but the main point is what i remember of how geript plays scum and you both being mafia doesn't fit.

Which players on the wagon are scum then? You noticed there is something wrong with the wagon. Oats flipped town so that shit surely didn't get any better so who is mafia there in your opinion and why?

Hopeless basically outed himself as prime before even claiming (he was quite obviously asking geript "why should i claim my role") when geript told every prime should claim. DarthPunk would never have claimed prime as mafia in the situation he did. Come on.... It's quite simple.

Regarding my read change on geript, yes. That. That read on Damdred makes zero sense by his own definition. geript also likes to push townies who are not being talked about and who are not current/even realistic lynch candidates when town is being lynched (in this case you/Oats -> geript suddenly pushes Damdred). I am still trying to find that fucking game (except that i'll have dinner first) so i can prove my point.


I definitely don't like Chairman Ray. He pushes me, but then votes Oats without commenting at all about him.
Scummy.

DarthPunk is the first one who picked up on my 'townslip'.
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On October 13 2014 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
Here is the town slip;

So sqrt is clearly not reading the thread because he treats Barakos and rayn as separate entities.

On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null



If he had access to a scum qt you can bet your arse that he would know rayn had replaced in regardless of reading the thread or not.

If rayn as scum it would be apparent in the qt cause he would be in the qt.

If rayn is town all the scummers would be shitting their pantsu.

Sqrt slipped ignorance of something scum would not be ignorant about.

He is very likely to be town aligned, would not lynch for a few days.

On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null


Shows great attention to the thread. Either mafia, or just good townie. However, he's been jumping around, target wise.
Goes from me, to Sn0 and ritoky, to GlowingBear, to Oatsmaster. He had pretty much no case on Sn0, ritoky and Oats, and yet people all jumped on to the Oats wagon. I don't like that.

I still have no idea on ritoky.

Damdred has been pushing Geript.

VE is town. His logic against geript is excellent. EX:
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On October 15 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:23 geript wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:06 geript wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 15 2014 02:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
DP could be - I maintain that nothing he's done is outside his gamut as mafia.

But that's a world I'll start considering much later.

Look. Think about it yourself.
There is 2 prome claims. You are scum.
Would you claim another prime?

He could do that but it's unlikely. Thus why to look at hopeless in part.

Hopeless was first to claim, risking counterclaim and certain defeat if he's mafia. Unless you have some sort of reasoning to think otherwise?

He just got out of a scum game where he was caught. Looked similar to his play here. It's the right play for scum to claim. It gives mafia extra info about setup. Free town cred from the numpties. Etc.

Okay I'ma stop you right here.

It doesn't give mafia extra info about the setup unless someone counterclaims, at which point it becomes the WRONG move for mafia to make because they lose one of their members. There's no "free town cred from the numpties" if someone counterclaims, and in this setup there's like zero chance of townies not counterclaiming at some point (because setup).

There's no situation where mafia's first impulse is to "claim Prime" geript. You're just making things up.


Geript's the guy who pushed Oats. He also doesn't like Damdred. Currently, he wants us to look at hopeless.
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On October 14 2014 05:47 geript wrote:
On October 14 2014 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 14 2014 05:39 geript wrote:
Does Hopeless sheep this much as town? IDK. I've only played like 1-2 games with him iirc.

Hopeless is town because he claimed prime.

Yah but mafia should always claim prime.

I don't think so.
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On October 15 2014 02:34 geript wrote:
Also fwiw. If I were mafia I'd claim a role by now.

....

I don't have any solid evidence against geript, but I don't like him.

Hopeless isn't doing much either. No solid reads except me. Plus, probability wise, it's really unlikely he's actually a prime.
Top lynch target today.

##Vote: Hopeless1der


When I first read this post, I thought this looked like his town meta. But I was biased with his townread on me.
After I read his post again, I realised it is terrible.
Reasons:

1) He suddenly reads me as town for math posts. I think it is ok to read me as town regarding the Damdred post, but not math posts. Anyone could do that. I WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD WHEN HE VOTED ME. How I suddenly turned into town? There is no way he reads me as town UNLESS he KNOWS I am town and looked for a reason to say so.

2) He tries to defend himself with what Darthpunk brought about his townslip, and reads him as town for that. He derps and says DP is either town or smart mafia when DP already flipped. His excuse, in a later post, is that this was written during night time and has old reads. Come on, this post came exactly 12 minutes after the flip. If he is town he would try to post this before the end of night because, well, he probably wouldn't die night 1 but who knows? But the most important part here is that he uses DP post to defend himself AFTER DP flips town.

3) VERY BAD: after doing this "comprehensive" reads, he just says that "Damdred is pushing geript" and "I still have no idea on Ritoky". REALLY? DAMDRED IS PUSHING GERIPT? THANK YOU! WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?
You still have no idea on Ritoky? Why exactly you don't want to talk about these guys? Like, Ritoky style of posting and lurkage felt pretty scummy. It's impossible that you aren't, at least, suspicious of him.

4) He says he doesn't like geript but does not know why. He reads VE as town because he has good logic. LOL. Having good logic ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. Again, the only why he could read VE as town like that is because he KNOWS VE IS TOWN.

5) Still regarding geript, he says he doesn't like him and bring two posts where geript describes that mafia would always claim prime. So, the most reasonable conclusion is that he doesn't like geript because he was bringing suspicions on Hopeless. Then, HE VOTES HOPELESS. THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY IS HE VOTING SOMEONE HE THINKS IS FAKE CLAIMING IF HE FINDS SUPICIOUS THE GUY WHO SAYS MAFIA WOULD FAKE CLAIM?

6) He says CR is definetely mafia but VOTES ON HOPELESS. His using probabilities to vote on someone instead of voting his top scumread. WHY?

As an overall analysis of this post, he is reading as town obvious town but people that are questionable, he has no opinion on them.

He voted Hopeless BEFORE I fake claimed, but look at how he reacts later:

On October 16 2014 01:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
My thoughts on GB claim and stuff:
First thought: WTF? That claim makes no sense. GB is mafia or Hopeless is mafia.
Second thought: That claim makes even less sense for mafia to do. GB is town, therefore Hopeless is mafia.
Third thought: Wait a second, he retracted his claim. Does that make Hopeless town? Do we actually have 3 Primes?

I think the winning play is to not lynch GB or Hopeless. We need to lynch elsewhere.


Ok, so, he was lynching Hopeless considering probabilities. Remember that he voted him before I fake claimed. I fake claimed, then rescinded. He suddenly believes that it's better to let both us and hopeless live. HOW DOES THIS CHANGES PROBABILITIES? WHY HE SUDDENLY BELIEVES IT'S BETTER TO KEEP US BOTH ALIVE?
Moreover, LETTING US LIVE WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD IDEA:

On October 15 2014 07:11 Chairman Ray wrote:
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that mafia would actually shoot the prime.

What does everyone think about just leaving both hopeless and GB alive today?


So, he is agreeing with his top scumread!! Why? Does this mean he is townreading CR?

NOPE (see spoiler)

+ Show Spoiler [case on CR] +

On October 16 2014 01:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Voting my next scummy looking person: Chairman Ray.

Reason: D1: he thinks I'm top scum.
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 17:19 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm pretty confident that sqrt is scum atm.

Sqrt entered the thread with a joke scumclaim (which is fine imo), but then left for a few hours, and re-entered the thread with some really bad reads after some people were pushing on him. There's a clear difference when town is giving bad reads and when scum is giving bad reads, and it's clear that his reads show a scum mindset. His reasonings are all just "this person did X, therefore he's mafia", without any regard to why X is scummy.

I will summarize all his reads:

CR is mafia because he made 2 filler posts
VE is mafia because he gave a townread on geript and himself
Geript is mafia because he's buddying DP
GB is mafia because he didn't want to discuss one of his scumreads

What else do those 4 reads have in common? Firstly, they are barely relevant to the game with everything else that's happened. Secondly, they all appear near the start of their filters.

So what does this mean? This means that sqrt probably just clicked on a few people's filter, read until he could comment on one thing, and then stopped there. Scummy as hell.

One other thing that I find interesting. When I defended sqrt's read on GB, he responded to me normally. Let's take a step back and look at this. Sqrt thinks I'm mafia. That means when I ask him something, it should cross his mind that I'm mafia with an agenda other than getting more information. He should have noticed that I asked him about GB, and didn't respond at all on his reads on me. That's one very obvious thing a town sqrt should have noticed. What's more interesting is that he has both GB an I as scumreads, but when I defended GB, he responded to me like he's trying to convince me of his read. For someone who accused geript and DP of buddying, it should have been 1000% obvious that I'm buddying GB, but nope, not at all. Scum scum scummy scummy scum scum.

##Vote: sqrtofneg1

And then, he votes Oats with this reason:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 05:44 Chairman Ray wrote:
The case on Oats is pretty solid

You have my vote

An argument could be made that by that time, there was no hope of lynching me, but you don't vote someone that you haven't said a single word about.

Day 2: Still only me.
Let me point out that if you're town, you don't have only one scumread. There's 3 scum in this game, and the fact that he's only focusing on me indicates that he's mafia.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chairman Ray


HE VOTES CR WHEN THE MAIN WAGONS ARE HIM AND GERIPT.
HE THOUGHT GERIPT WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHY DIDN'T HE CONSOLIDATE ON HIM?

He wasted his votes 2 following days. When oats was getting lynched, he kept his vote on me. When Geript was getting lynched, he kept his vote on CR.

He is also much more interactive in his townplays, and posts a lot more. He has a clear stream of thoughts that aren't revealed in the game we are playing right now.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=sqrtofneg1 (13 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=sqrtofneg1 (7 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=sqrtofneg1 (10 pages of filter)

That's it guys. I've gave plenty of reasons to vote him now.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 15:11 GMT
#1578
On October 17 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i can. There's not enough mafia in rhis game because 6ppl are scummy.
Kush is mafia and sqrt is not mafia with him.
Do you have reading comprehension issues?


Yes I have. Please help me explaining why they can't be both mafia together.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 15:23 GMT
#1581
On October 18 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I already did. Kush is incapable of townreading his scumbuddies.


Can you bring more than one meta that proves this?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 15:31 GMT
#1583
On October 18 2014 00:27 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I already did. Kush is incapable of townreading his scumbuddies.


Can you bring more than one meta that proves this?


ima need 5 metas to back that up, rayn


Go read my case and tell me what you think of it.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 15:58 GMT
#1586
On October 18 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote:
That case GB, it might be the best case i've seen you do before. I really like the parts about how he keeps siding with his top scum reads.

So who do you think is his partners? Do you think CR is his partner with how hes scum reading him but not really pushing him?



I've never put so much effort on a case since vets vs newbies.

I don't know, I'm still not making associative reads, I just have single targets.
But before that, why do you suggest CR? He also sided with geript, whom whe was suspicios of, and geript flipped town.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:02 GMT
#1587
So, Rayn... You're not going to ready my case?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:07 GMT
#1588
Oh, I also forgot to say that [/b] he parroted hopeless when saying that fake claiming was a poor play as mafia so I should be town[/b]
He is, again, agreeing with the person he is voting for.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:12 GMT
#1590
On October 18 2014 01:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 00:33 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:27 kushm4sta wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I already did. Kush is incapable of townreading his scumbuddies.


Can you bring more than one meta that proves this?


ima need 5 metas to back that up, rayn


Go read my case and tell me what you think of it.

link me baby



You're kidding, right? I've just posted it.
Page 79. It's huge, I promise you won't miss it.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:16 GMT
#1592
On October 18 2014 01:15 kushm4sta wrote:
dude that sucked


Which parts?
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:18 GMT
#1596
On October 18 2014 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:
ALL OF IT


You obviously haven't read it.
Ok guys, we are lynching sqrt day3 and kush day4
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:20 GMT
#1597
On October 18 2014 01:17 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 00:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote:
That case GB, it might be the best case i've seen you do before. I really like the parts about how he keeps siding with his top scum reads.

So who do you think is his partners? Do you think CR is his partner with how hes scum reading him but not really pushing him?



I've never put so much effort on a case since vets vs newbies.

I don't know, I'm still not making associative reads, I just have single targets.
But before that, why do you suggest CR? He also sided with geript, whom whe was suspicios of, and geript flipped town.


CR is his only scum read left pretty much isn't it basically? I think CR looks pretty towny myself but i was wondering what you made of it


Ok, we can talk about it, but first I want your updated reads. Geript was your main read and now he is dead and you said you were re reading the thread.

What did you make of these?
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GlowingBear
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Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:29 GMT
#1602
On October 18 2014 01:25 kushm4sta wrote:
listen, we can win this game and i'm in a position where i can start trying.

gb your case is so sooo so bad.
part 1:
those shit arguments actually point townie. To have all those suspicions with logic behind them that early in the game is incredibly townie. His points aren't super solid, but they come from a paranoid state of mind that is very hard to fake.

Plus, you are not giving his early game arguments as much credit as they deserve.
This is what he says:
Show nested quote +
This is the thing I don't like.
If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least.

This is what you say he says:
Show nested quote +
hopeless claimed prime


YOu can see how his argument actually has reasoning behind it that makes sense/


That's not alignment indicative. So his argument on CR is pretty okay, is that what you're saying? You've just brought what he thinks of hopeless.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:34 GMT
#1605
On October 18 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote:
I'm goin to skip town reads right now because it will be obvious i think such an such is town and condensing a bit.

I'm not sure if i'm just horrible at understanding geript and his tone and that we are just fundamentally opposed no matter what. Or we can read each other later on if we play enough, I could still see him being scum especially with how he quit earlier and it really sucks.

Kush should be the #1 lynch today, he makes excuses in the thread about not contributing. He tells us he doesn't give reads during the night obviously but he still doesn't give reads during the day and just sits around trolling barely commenting on anyone besides negatively calling your cases bad for example GB. He then randomly looks at people never shows documentation that the person is town or where he got it from but calls them town anyway, this guy is scum and probably should be the lynch tommorow.

Slam/Ritoky Is probably a good shot at being mafia, however I think kush is the better lynch. Ritokys posts had little to no content in it and a lot of the accusations that he was able to bring out didn't really seem fleshed out and seemed a bit bare especially for rit and who he attacked top town rayn. However slam has just gotten replaced in wants to talk bu thasn't read the thread or started to give thoughts yet so thats a negative but shouldn't be lynched today so he can prove he can do things and show his alignment.

SQR, your case to me really slams the door on him pretty well. It does become a lurker lynch, but I think ti was CR who pointed out a good scummy point about him which I agree with and your case GB makes me think he is scum but I still woudl rather do Kush first


I'm okay with lynching kush but I saw he being this bad as town. Mission LYLO and Fanfic are good examples.

I have a pretty solid read on sqrt and I am lynching him tomorrow. I want him dead.
We can lynch kush on the next day.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:35 GMT
#1606
On October 18 2014 01:32 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 01:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 01:25 kushm4sta wrote:
listen, we can win this game and i'm in a position where i can start trying.

gb your case is so sooo so bad.
part 1:
those shit arguments actually point townie. To have all those suspicions with logic behind them that early in the game is incredibly townie. His points aren't super solid, but they come from a paranoid state of mind that is very hard to fake.

Plus, you are not giving his early game arguments as much credit as they deserve.
This is what he says:
This is the thing I don't like.
If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least.

This is what you say he says:
hopeless claimed prime


YOu can see how his argument actually has reasoning behind it that makes sense/


That's not alignment indicative. So his argument on CR is pretty okay, is that what you're saying? You've just brought what he thinks of hopeless.


you have to realize that it's early game so ofc suspicions are going to be based on very little.


He is still scumreading CR.

Ok, you believe the early game argument is bad.
Tell me what you think of the items I've written on mumbers
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:37 GMT
#1608
On October 18 2014 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:
what is mumbers...


YOU KNOW I MEANT NUMBERS
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:41 GMT
#1611
On October 18 2014 01:39 kushm4sta wrote:
no i really didn't. now that i know it means numbers i still don't know wtf you are talking about.


Of course you don't. You haven't properly read my case.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 16:42 GMT
#1612
On October 18 2014 01:40 kushm4sta wrote:
and don't call me bad because being busy and sick is different from being bad.


But not giving reads and not contributing is bad...
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 17:00 GMT
#1616
On October 18 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 18 2014 01:40 kushm4sta wrote:
and don't call me bad because being busy and sick is different from being bad.


But not giving reads and not contributing is bad...

no it's not. it's called BEING BUSY /SICK. which I will am so my temper is short. want to see some true badness? ok go to page 79 there's a huge wall of text the epitomizes badness right there.


Are you stlli sick, busy? Because I am busy all week long and I'm still posting a lot
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 17:01 GMT
#1617
On October 18 2014 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is most likely going to be my last post of the phase because i am gonna be on the road for now on.

VE, Damdred and Hopeless you guys NEED to vote together. Otherwise we do lose. Kill kush. Kill kush so very hard and in so many fires. VE you know kush. There is no chance he is going go be town. Then kill ritoky/slam. Then figure out the last mafia. You absolutely need to vote together!!!

Then sqrt is going to be town. It means one of gb cr is mafia:
- points against GB:
D1 case from me. I don't know how valid it is anymore but reread it and figure out if i am right or wrong. DP's n1 and him dying. He if he made too much sense. Gb only pushing cases at the eod. Except for now. His response to my case on ritoky and him ignoring it multiple times. His conclusions from the fakeclaim shit. I've talked about it all.
- points against cr:
Lurking until deadlines and not participating into any discussions at all.

Also read how ritoky treated those guys. You might find answers there.
Sqrt you must vote with the people i just talked to. Otherwise you are mafia.

That's the best i can give you guys. Don't fuck up. Please.


So, you're NOT reading my case.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
October 17 2014 17:26 GMT
#1619
On October 18 2014 02:03 kushm4sta wrote:
do you have the flu?
do you work full time?
do you go to school full time for chemical engineering and get fuck tons of homework?
do you have a girlfriend?

yes to all those questions for me. so i dont think your business can compete with mine.


Nope
Yes
Yes but not chemical engineering, thank god
Nope, finally!

But if you have such a busy schedule, while even bothering signing in?
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