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On September 29 2014 17:35 Palmar wrote:
/in

On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote:


Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town.

The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia.

So there's that.

On October 07 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:



------- reasoning -------->

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On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:
The Damning Case of liancourt




This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted"
how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play.

Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats.



Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out.



I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners.



The question is, who does he think are scummy?

1. bh. Null
2. grack Null
3. obi hf 2 town fighting
4. oats town
5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him.
6. Back to OO being strange
7. bats town

So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. )
His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions
and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning"

And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying.

He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play.



Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE.

And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum.




So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone.

#LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt

On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post.

On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:

The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit.

If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch.

Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant.

Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip.

On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to.

On October 08 2014 05:53 Palmar wrote:

Nope, haven't read any of it.

On October 08 2014 06:16 Palmar wrote:
Like I have literally no clue what you're talking about Hopeless

On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.

This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.

On October 08 2014 06:49 liancourt wrote:


So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it.

On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.

This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.

On October 08 2014 06:55 Palmar wrote:
batsnacks with the associative reads

#proscumhunter

On October 08 2014 07:00 Palmar wrote:

Because interactive reads are usually far more valuable than reading after the fact, because you can more accurately process the emotional state of the player involved. This is one of the main reasons that by far the largest contributor to success in mafia is simply spending as much time as you can in front of the thread.

On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

On October 09 2014 04:23 Grackaroni wrote:

hmmm I think I've already learned that there are no limits to the lengths BH will go to win at mafia.

On October 09 2014 17:50 Palmar wrote:
Can anyone give me a rundown of what the hell you guys are talking about so I don't have to wade through the pile of softclaims and shit?

On October 09 2014 18:06 Palmar wrote:

Nah, that sounds like way too much effort.

On October 10 2014 06:46 Palmar wrote:
HF can you please stop the bs and tell us yes or no on if you're actually claiming cop?

On October 10 2014 06:59 Palmar wrote:

I don't care if you shoot me, I just want to make sure rest of town understands that you need to be lynched if you do because it's objectively the wrong play to shoot me. I always defend myself when I'm under threat of a lynch as town which is a good use of time.

On October 10 2014 21:22 Holyflare wrote:
Because he's a twat face

On October 11 2014 21:41 Palmar wrote:
rekt!

On October 13 2014 23:28 Palmar wrote:
Tbh my storr townread is super weak.

Also, I have considered just about everyone else Damdred. You're mafia by PoE!

On October 13 2014 23:52 Palmar wrote:

Because Hopeless got mad that HF lynched him and said HF was the poisoner, which fits perfectly with there being a missing hit from night 1.

HF is hardly even arguing it, I think.

On October 14 2014 00:18 Palmar wrote:
we're in fucking mylo, why the hell wouldn't a medic claim HF?

On October 14 2014 00:27 Palmar wrote:
Fuck it, I'm giving 100% free pass to HF throughout the game if a medic protected him. I don't even care if there's still chance he's 3p even with medic protection. I just cba.

On October 14 2014 00:51 Alakaslam wrote:

In fact because in all likelihood he is.

Only one thing that can convince me otherwise; a medic claim that unfortunately I also believe shouldn't happen.

On October 14 2014 00:56 Palmar wrote:

Why not?

On October 14 2014 01:01 Palmar wrote:


I don't get what you don't understand. Do you think it's a bad idea for a medic who may have been on HF on night 1 to claim?

On October 14 2014 01:05 Palmar wrote:


Not why I'm lynching him. That simply explains how it adds up that someone can look town and yet not be town. I want to lynch him because there's no evidence we have a medic, because he completely overreacted to me suggesting a medic should claim and save his ass (like even if it's not the smartest move, we're basically going to treat him as town if he was indeed protected), and because mafia basically claimed to have shot him night 1.




Anyone voting him is claiming having a brain. Like there's two people voting him right now and we can't both be scum? So your theory is already awful.

On October 14 2014 01:23 Palmar wrote:


5 reasons he's mafia (and mafia specifically)



So clearly he's poisoner?

HF, you ok?

On October 14 2014 01:29 Palmar wrote:

So if I think he's town you're clearly poisoner!

CHECKMATE.

On October 14 2014 01:32 Palmar wrote:


...



If he's town, you're pushing poisoner agenda.

On October 08 2014 06:51 Hopeless1der wrote:

no u

On October 15 2014 05:30 Palmar wrote:

yeah, I think I'll play doto. Is that ok with you?

On October 16 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:

Except for the part where I'm not.

On October 17 2014 02:03 Palmar wrote:

you're the poisoner.