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Blazinghand
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fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads.
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Blazinghand
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oh get a charger nub they're like a dollar
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On October 11 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
fwiw literally 95%+ of what HF has said today is scummy since he's trying to shut down all kinds of reasonable discourse or alternative wagons by calling people scum for not voting along with him, rather than writing a real case or exploring reads. Fuck off have i not written a case. I literally just copied everything to condense it too
Yeah, there's the 5%. You can't deny that you have mostly spent today threatening people instead of being good and useful. When I lead town, I question people and help them develop reads (if they're town) or reveal their false mindsets (if they're scum). What the dicks do you think you're doing, telling people they're scum (even jokingly) to bully them onto the wagon, instead of fostering an environment that generates evidence?
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On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
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Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null.
bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it?
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On October 11 2014 06:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. Semi-brushing aside the RNG to "actually" look at OO. At the time that he self-voted I wouldn't have called it "disturbing". How the hell are you supposed to defend against RNG? You're not, you're supposed to go and scumhunt. This is a load of bullshit, but damdred still twists it into an early suspicion. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 On October 11 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Obiwan correctly points out that OO's reaction is worthless (open spoiler if you are so inclined): On October 07 2014 12:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 12:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 12:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
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Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. So what's so important about his reaction? You've basically just admitted that his reaction doesn't matter since he won't be lynched, but you're saying his reaction is important. That is incorrect obi, you put words in my mouth. I didn't say that because he won't be lynched probably his reaction does not matter. Reactions matter all the time how you handle pressure etc. That's not the point I'm making. Saying that someone's reaction matters because they're getting lynched, and then admitting that they're not getting lynched = their reaction doesn't matter because they know they're not getting lynched. You can't use a reaction test accurately if the guy being tested knows it's a test; hence, the test is a wash and you've gained nothing. Well it is mostly my opinion that an rng lynch won't hold up today. It could be very well that BH gets it done if that's what he pushes. OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it? I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread?
Right, then he voted himself, which is really weird imo
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 06:16 Grackaroni wrote:
I've mostly been sheeping HF that was my main reason for scum reading you.
I think there's actually a point in your favor that you aren't scum reading Obi seeing as he looks like the only person being truly considered as a counter wagon at the moment.
H1 could also have said "lawl rng tells me to lynch OWS" and stayed on him. Of course if they're scum together this could blah blah associative unflipped tells etc
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Which all kind of ties back to Slam's post about how we really don't know how to scum hunt and we just attack people for "not being useful", which he's probably right about.
I'd actually be okay with policy lynching the least contributive person a lot of the time. I feel like it would... feel good? even if it didn't make us win. but this is a discussion for post game. today I think OWS is where it's at.
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Blazinghand
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I actually have no ability to read slam, and so I don't bother
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On October 11 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote:
I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something.
I could see that, I guess, but I won't pretend to understand his motivations. I'm sure you have plans for your bullet tonight, but how would you feel about shooting Slam? I feel like inevitably we'll have to lynch him anyways.
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On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote:
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently?
HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD.
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On October 11 2014 06:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote:
HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently? HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD. Do you feel that your leadership style was better?
take a look at my filter batsnacks, and look at where I talk to people and get them to develop reads and give stance and all kinds of things like that today. contrast just yelling at people and saying they're scum if they don't vote with hf. do you even need to ask the question? I'm the hero this thread needs
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Blazinghand
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I feel no need to comment on the hopeless lynch.
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what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that
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On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping.
alright, fair enough. I'll read the case and make a definitive read
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On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly.
all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target.
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On October 11 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. ?
don't be coy with me, you poopy-head.
On October 11 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred
try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle.
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Blazinghand
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On October 11 2014 06:58 batsnacks wrote:
I really want to unvote hopeless all of a sudden...
But I know I can't...
Mafia makes the diagram...
Town tells me to fuck off...
But I really want to unvote hopeless
who else do you have in mind? surely you're not moving back to damdred.
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On October 11 2014 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. On October 11 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi ? don't be coy with me, you poopy-head. On October 11 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle. I'm sorry. I didn't think the rules were so strict after D1.
what rules? the point of RNG is that you rng your vote. when I said "you didn't vote for your rng target" your objection can't be "look, here's me voting for him" and leave out the fact that you unvoted him literally an hour later. Like, look at that post of yours that's just a question mark. Really dude? really? You think you've fulfilled the premise of RNG? or are you pretending to not understand the fact that I'm referring to where your vote is now?
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On October 11 2014 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 07:02 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:58 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote:On October 11 2014 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:
what if I discover he's an amazing lynch? then I'd have to unvote OWS. We can't be having that I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. On October 11 2014 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi ? don't be coy with me, you poopy-head. On October 11 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Damdred try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle. I'm sorry. I didn't think the rules were so strict after D1. what rules? the point of RNG is that you rng your vote. when I said "you didn't vote for your rng target" your objection can't be "look, here's me voting for him" and leave out the fact that you unvoted him literally an hour later. Like, look at that post of yours that's just a question mark. Really dude? really? You think you've fulfilled the premise of RNG? or are you pretending to not understand the fact that I'm referring to where your vote is now? Dude it was a joke. holy shit.
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