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we must be on a different frequency can't believe you don't have a shadow of a doubt on gracks' claim.
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then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
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On October 10 2014 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:
You've made no effort to solve the game? You just drop in look at random posts/things that have happened and make reads based off of them but you've never tried to actually talk to anybody at all to figure out their alignment.
thank you someone that agrees with me on palmer
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On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
There's merit to it.
A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together.
this actually made me read him less scummy, he could have just agreed with damd and pushed me for the lynch, but he didnt kudos. He wanted me or hope dead so thinking like this was quite townie.
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On October 09 2014 23:45 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:32 StorrZerg wrote:On October 09 2014 23:30 batsnacks wrote:On October 09 2014 23:25 StorrZerg wrote:
thanks for the great input badsnacks any other takers... What did you think? about your input? lack luster and meaningless. doesn't add anything for the conversation nor drive it into something productive. short and meant to stifle conversation. No I mean what did you think about Liam's interaction with the claims? someone what fine. questioning hf being justifiably cautious. (hf had just claimed vig, then pulls the claim off, claims cop etc) I'd say liancourt had been around for the flip and had waited to speak. (since he was up to date with the shenanigans from hf) So he avoids talking about Hopeless, and instead keeps the conversation about questioning HF. Even if he suspects HF to be a troll/ not telling whole truths, the entire time the end result is we still don't know where liancourt stands on hopeless. Something major has come up, yet no progression has come of it. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:39 liancourt wrote:On October 09 2014 14:33 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt any reason you are not following up on Damdred?
what this? On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though. I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this? Which brings me back to damdred, he isn't following up with any of his scum reads. Sure he is happy to call people directly scum now, but there is 0 effort in convincing people what direction to go. Instead its "yeah i called him scum a second time what do you want" Thus i find his interaction with HF similar. No end conclusion, no actual drive from him to expose something truthful, instead it seems to be more focused on what HF is doing, and figuring that out rather than figuring out HF's alignment / alignment of hopeless.
I agree with this as a matter of fact because it was exactly what I was thinking. I did in fact give a conclusion on HF, trolling town.
But it just seems like you are tunneling me again. And I don't think you have given any other reads as of yet. I've skimmed through and all you've done is ask what people think of me and find every little thing about me and contribute to it how it was scummy.
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On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time)
You've finally done a proper read on someone and coincidentally it's me who's been calling you out so I think this post's bascially a very long OMGUS. Also I think you just copied storr in tunneling me because I kept calling you out. When I die and people look at the two of your filters they will only be filled with me and just a ton of questions with no insight. Very helpful for town isn't it.
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So i'll update my scum list in order of scumminess:
Damdred
Palmer
Storr
Obi, but he's leaning towards null and probably to town after reading what's happened in my absence.
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them
you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes.
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On October 10 2014 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:Catching up now. I'll post replies as I come across posts that interest me. At the moment, my lynchables are h1 and ows. h1 because of the cop check (which may not be a cop check...) and ows because of his reactions to the OO wagon. I may swap back to ows after I'm caught up. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth. This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote:
then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet?
doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem.
ok so i'll wait on grack until n2 if its true
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On October 10 2014 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote:
what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop.
solid. liancourt is stubborn and aggressively pushing his beliefs. Could be scum but would be a pretty ballsy play. obstinant yet engaging wtih thread makes me think more likely town. would not lynch today. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz Not a super legit defense imo. OO probably had a scum vote on him, just because his wagon was the kind of one you could jump off and on pretty easily (as a policy wagon) or try to shenannigan out of (as OWS tried). Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote:
Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated.
I consider this another reason to lynch OWS. No reason to be demotivated D1, imo, unless of course your lurking scum-team-mate got RNGed and is getting policied.
yea i'm stubborn that's why I'm keeping to my guns on the scum trio: damd, palmer, storr. Obi wasn't my original choice and he's changed my mind so I'll let him off the hook.
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On October 10 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 01:21 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 01:05 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 00:55 batsnacks wrote:On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. If I was serious about a mass claim I would have claimed in the same post. I didn't. In the next post I said there is no benefit in mass claiming, something oats agrees with yet he still felt the end to claim. But it was a joke claim I dont think you can really read anything into it. Unless he actually claimed something other than vt I might agree with you. I didn't scum read him for claiming though. I see you claiming him as defensive and questioning his joke claim. You didnt need to scum read him. You were like the catalyst others did it for you. he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
The only "trap" here to fall into is the trap of not voting for OO Never like lottery type things so I ll pass on the RNG lynch. I want to choose my own lynchee. In reverse logic theres a 78 percent chance to kill a town than a mafia so its against the odds. And besides you cant question lynch votes that were RNGed. They will just say oh it was random so it doesnt have any meaning to it. Unreadable. Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell. Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time) The readlist is pretty bad, yeah. still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS
Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG.
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On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus.
he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me.
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@storr I can't make a case against you becasue all you've said is related to me. All your questions have been directed at how other people think about me. You haven't talked about another person except me so how am I supposed make a case. All I would be doing is defending myself which I did mostly throughout d1. If you want to posts of me defending myself just go look at my d1 filter cos I ain't doing that again. And same goes for damdred, all he's only really commited to talking about me and just asked questions here and there. What's there to make a case on. It's both of your attitudes that scummy.
@Damdred & Storr: give me reads on someone else and I'll make a case out of you because all you guys are doing now is just doing nothing and tunneling me.
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On October 10 2014 08:15 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:09 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus. he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me. ok that still isn't a reason for you to do nothing
it's like what you're doing so I don't see why I have to comply with your requests as you didn't do mine either on d1. i thin kyou called me self-centered when I asked so there.
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you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg
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On October 10 2014 08:21 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:18 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 08:15 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:09 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:59 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 07:57 liancourt wrote:On October 10 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote:
Loan word you please make a case on one of your scam reds or both of them you haven't done anything that's what's scummy and you're just asking questions and thats it for 2 days straight. You want to seem active by asking questions and you want to be reading someone scum so you choose you the one who has been calling you out. I think that's pretty much scummy in my eyes. and yet he was able to make a case and all you are doing is what? not actually pushing anything or proving you have a convincing case that isn't just omgus. he didn't make a case he just copied you and tunneled me. ok that still isn't a reason for you to do nothing it's like what you're doing so I don't see why I have to comply with your requests as you didn't do mine either on d1. i thin kyou called me self-centered when I asked so there. isn't it super convenient when you can't actually make a case on anyone. Hell you could just ignore me and explain why hopeless is a bad lynch. How ever you keep bringing up that you can't make a case on your top 2 scum reads.
yea its really convenient my top 2 scumreads havent done anything for town except tunnel me
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On October 10 2014 08:23 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg is anyone complaining about my lack of reads? or is it just you?
What is this logic? Do more people have to complain of your lack of reads for you to be scum?
Based on my logic, you know I'm town because you are scum. You pick the scummiest town player on d1, which was undoubtedly me because everyone was giving me shit and you knew you could get easy support if you rolled out a half decent case basically mix and matching what everyone else has said before.
So, I'm just gonna keep on complaining until you give other reads besides me cos I'm so stubborn.
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On October 10 2014 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 08:22 StorrZerg wrote:On October 10 2014 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote:
you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me.
##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows cause he reading ows town now arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows????
i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter
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On October 10 2014 08:27 Damdred wrote:
I am not sure how you have been tunnel in the past but why in doing now is not that. Stop is probably closest not yet.
However if you want make a case on me atm you need to revisit my filter.
I didn't reread stores case before i did mine so if theirs overlay my apologies had more to st but ran out of time. However i think their are different views invite cases that hedge same conclusions
I'm sorry damd it must be my scum vision on you, but all I'm reading is you trying to wiggle your way out of saying that you copied storr by claiming you didnt read his before you did yours. No one can confirm that story sorry damd but you're becoming scummier by every post you make.
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