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On October 08 2014 06:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote:
I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him.
why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read. I liked him when he first posted saying lian was mafia, even though I think other people had given the reason he gave. Since then he has really fallen off. I don't like the way he got his read on you, doesn't seem genuine I didn't like how as soon as i questioned him about it he made some dumb post. I don't like how he thinks BH is scummy still I don't like how he hasn't bothered to read an important part of the thread. Or give reads on those people. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:57 Palmar wrote:
I'm a slam fan. I'm not really a batsnacks fan because he's a bit of a dick.
Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value. What the fuck bat is pretty clearly town and because he pressured BH that makes him stupid and of no value. yeh really don't like palmar, probably scum
i concur with the reasons above
town stamp for you
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On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to.
So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it.
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On October 08 2014 06:27 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:18 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 05:44 Blazinghand wrote:
IMO, liancourt, I don't really care about liancourt's null or town reads, just who the scumreads are. if you could focus on, say, who you think is most likely to be scum (Besides OO of course) that would be awesome Well damd scum. Half his filter is filled with questions and only a select few really address some form of issue. It's like he's acting to try and seem active but when really he is on nobody's radar and is low lying. There isn't anything worth mentioning where he put out a genuine case to someone. He just pokes and pokes around. He doesn't follow on anything. Could you go into more detail.
if there were details I think I'd post it for evidence, but the fact that "there isn't anything worth mentioning" ring a bell. He's a balnk piece of paper. You go read his filter and tell me your opinion.
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On October 08 2014 06:51 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:49 liancourt wrote:On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to. So give us your alignment for them. I am willing to give you time to keep reading the thread as you clearly have not read even half of it. no u Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:
Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid.
This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value.
bats town
I think his trap was genuine although I didnt think this at first but looking back yea it seems legit.
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On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.
And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.
reaffirms my town read on you. I did indeed accept BH for what he is. About palmar I'm still apprehensive and have him as a scum read.
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On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.
you seem to get the jist of the angle I'm trying to go for. My logic seems to be different than most of the players here. You've lean towards town instead of just being null.
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@storr you still havent given your reads on anyone else but me. you seem to be lurking around what is it
I'll change my read on you from town to scum because you just flatly disregarded my request
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On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him. I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch. OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument. Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred. So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention. In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment. God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people
I can relate to where he's coming from. I can imagine a scenario for this to happen whichever alignment OO is.
So would that mean people pushing for obi lynch is scummy? I'll reread that obi/hf/grack interaction.
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On October 08 2014 08:42 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 08:37 StorrZerg wrote:On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess. the point is he isn't actually calling anyone scum........................... He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum.
This guy gets me it's called the process of elimination. I try to find town while you guys try to find scum.
The ones left must be scum right.
Updated scum list:
storr
damd
palmar
OO
rest are town in my opinion.
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On October 09 2014 12:40 Holyflare wrote:
my last minute reads are wait for the cop check on lian, if there isn't one you should probably lynch hopeless, I thought he put in a lot of effort with a big post at some point but re-reading it it was commenting on useless crap
he also town read people (obi) and attacked me instead when i started bringing up cases on obi, he apparently "didn't read him" which makes it even worse and the rest of his filter is pretty generic commenting on nothingness with no conclusions, he also did a really really flip floppy switch to OO after saying he was just a policy etc etc
I did like lian for a towny but his post about not wanting to lynch OO now looks really scummy that OO has flipped mafia, he really would be a great cop check :/
i mean like... there's so many peripheral people it's hard to choose between them... palmar looks really 3pish to me, he has the semi look of towny palmar but none of the gusto that i'd usually attribute to him when he starts giving reads
bh is going to get shot so yeh there's that too
Any reason you'd have wanted me to be cop checked?
I don't understand how palmar is 3p. The mind boggles.
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On October 09 2014 13:58 StorrZerg wrote:liancourt hiiii i'll probably tunnel again on you today 
come at me bro
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On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this.
You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this
On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness.
It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic.
This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game.
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On October 09 2014 14:33 StorrZerg wrote:
@liancourt any reason you are not following up on Damdred?
what this?
On October 07 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. Right now he is scheduled to be lynched but i agree that he probably won't be lynched. However looking at reactions from votes is important to though.
I already think of damdred as scummy so i do I need to follow up with this?
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On October 09 2014 14:29 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 10:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:On October 07 2014 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 07 2014 09:18 Damdred wrote:
We have past games on BH stored in the database though you can go look at them. We are just telling you that THIS is not an alignment thing that BH does. Its pretty obvious that BH seems interested in D1 so far and is contributing so i'm giving him a big town slap on the back right now.
Hell even in his big RNG post he said hewas willing to go over to a better case...though BH does get kind of tunneled sometimes. But why wouldn't OO fight with everything he had not to be the lynch? He just went and voted himself instead, thats the disturbing part of it all. What conclusion are you drawing from his self vote/actions leading up to it? You say it's disturbing but you haven't followed it up with anything. Of course its disturbing in that he did not fight at all really acted excited about it. I guess a trolling town could act like that and its not alignment showing at all in that regard. But no fight whatsoever was drawn out of OO just an acceptance which is scummy. I don't really see how it matters either way when nobody is actually going to lynch him like this. You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this On October 07 2014 11:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
This is going to be a really small postcount game. Nobody else seems interested in moving the thread forward which really bothers me.
Bleed towniness. It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game. Disagree i see it as obi wanting to do something since OO was afk. obi as town would want something to be happening, so he is doing something, even if its complaining.
you and i really have the polar opposites in how we interpret someone's thought processes.
Must mean you're scum because you think differently from me doesn't it
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On October 09 2014 14:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Anyone care to guess how liancourt feels on hopeless O_o
yep... "iffy"
/case
seems way to "ok" with how their conversation is flowing between them. largely been "ignoring" hopeless even though he has had several conversations with him.
could the scum team be that simple? O_o
any memorable interaction with hopeless I've had is him giving me a scum stamp.jpg
From the game so far I've had memorable interactions with BH, obi, kel and probably you because you're my #1 fan aren't you.
I'm very indifferent on people that don't attack me directly or don't even call me out unlike you, so yea iirc hope has called me scum, but hasn't really followed up with anything memorable. Unless you can bring up something hope has said about me I'll respond to that. But yea I'm just gonna keep on "ignoring" him until he actually comes up with anything against me.
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On October 09 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
What if i told you my plan was actually multi layered and i have a red check on hopeless?
is it like the ploy you did during night where you said you were gonna shoot obi then suddenly jumped to BH and then say afterwards that it saved BH's life? I don't even...try explaining your thought processes on that matter because I can't even begin to understand, seemed like you were having fun trolling.
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I must be missing something how did hopeless get on the butcher's table?
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We're meant to believe HF after he faked being vigi? The mind boggles
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On October 09 2014 15:06 Holyflare wrote:
I faked vigi because not only would i be healed to survive the night but i could protect another towny by threatening to shoot them (bh). No mafia kills occured so there's all the proof you need that it worked and I'm town.
huh? How do you know you'd be healed? How do you know knows mafia kills occured? Oats died, what was that?
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On October 09 2014 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lian why you not voting for hopeless?
give me a good reason
you claiming a role which you may or not be isn't really valid in my mind.
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