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On October 07 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote:
What about ObiWanShinobi changing his story
what story did he change?
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On October 07 2014 16:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 16:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 11:05 Alakaslam wrote:
I have seen this same dumb shut storm in 5 games already.
3 in which I played.
Liancourt I now know, you are not a smurf. Care to elaborate? Yup won't take long BH is BH and this is what he does. Most effective policy if you disagree is to ignore him; if you haven't learned this you haven't read much of him If you haven't read much of him you have not been here long.
So you're saying the same thing as obi essentially. I don't want this issue of my being not here long a factor in this game. And I'm trying not to consider past games as the players themselves very well know what they usually do so I don't think it's of consequence.
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On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?
At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.
Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.
And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.
We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.
The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.
Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.
Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.
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On October 07 2014 18:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum What do you mean by BH post's seem legit?
meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff.
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On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?
See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum.
I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.
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On October 07 2014 18:21 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:19 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum What do you mean by BH post's seem legit? meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff. To me it seemed like "RNG" "RNG" "Vote this guy" "you guys are all stupid not to vote my random person" You seemed to be critical of it along with me so I really want to know what he was trying to do and what was townie about it.
The RNG thing wasn't what made him townie, it was some of the other things he said let me find an example
On October 07 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote:
If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him.
On October 07 2014 04:41 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today.
He gave insight on some interesting stuff which I think is pro town.
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OK after reading your filter I agree that BH disrupted the discussion that was already going on and if i recall correctly I also said something like that any discussion whether it's productive or not is good as you can get info.
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I think storr was obssessed with me being a smurf so he tunneled who knows. I need more from him than calling me out as smurf so I'll wait on this
On October 07 2014 09:30 StorrZerg wrote:
ill make a case on someone tonight or tomorrow morning i swear its going to be good
#prepthebadwagons
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On October 07 2014 12:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred/lion, mostly.
Opinions on them? goddman backspace key deleted my post lian has his head up his ass about BH's RNG stuff but is so pigheaded about it I think he's town. Damdred is scummy for saying oats makes his skin crawl, goading HF into voting oats, sitting on the sidelines for a bit then reneging on his (inconclusive..) oats-read. Recent BH/OO stuff is null.
So his read on me seems intresting, I took my head out of my arse and started listening to some of you guys mainly hope, obi and slam defending BH on this RNG business as his go to strat for every game.
If others also think like this that this is BH's usual strat then well I can't really say anything about it.
I do find the obi/hope interaction interesting and the fact the two of them defend BH is also intriguing but i need more info on hope to get any sort of idea so it's null atm.
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On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large
so giving reads immediately is scummy?
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On October 07 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:
See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic.
I use this logic if I have played with that person before. Show nested quote +
I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.
well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer. Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him. this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right. I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh.
Well you're right the only reason I don't want to vote OO is because it's random. But on the othe rhand I'm not making a defense on OO either. Although I've said following the random is scummy I think we've come to the point that OO's scuminess overrides my point of view.
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On October 07 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? no not at all.
then what does that double negative mean?
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On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.
I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.
Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.
clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.
So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy
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so you think OO and BH are both scummy?
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On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
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clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.
And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.
Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.
Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so.
huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind?
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On October 07 2014 19:48 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
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How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??
Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large so giving reads immediately is scummy? It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so. huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind? are you serious I just gave my reasons above what the fuck.
Let me rephrase, why'd you change your opinion in a matter minutes while talking to me?
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On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier.
##unvote
Liancourt and oo might be scum.
Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing"
so lying low can't be considered scummy? And I mentioned damd as being scummy because of his vagueness regardless of his usual playstyle, it's what I believe. Does this not count?
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On October 08 2014 00:38 StorrZerg wrote:The Damning Case of liancourt Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:27 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:07 StorrZerg wrote:On October 06 2014 13:56 liancourt wrote:
it must be because i like vanilla ice cream
plain as can be Hmm claims in first post On October 07 2014 00:51 liancourt wrote:
I dont think we can scum read oats based on him agreeing to the mass claim when in the first place it was bats who suggested it. Although his reactions afterwards seems a little over reactive . But I do believe that he was joking when he claimed town. I mean theres no other option but to claim vt. You cant scrutinize him for that.
Also I find it strange everyone agrees on the fact that it was a trap set by bats. Its the perfect excuse for scum to say something was a trap and point fingers at random people. i don't see why we couldn't read oats for the interaction. I think you can look into it, the he is reacting is very in the opposite direction of his "joke" so much so that its odd he even did the joke in the first place if he really truly feels like that. I disagree that bats looks scummy for something like this. Comes from a town mindset in my eyes, to be catching scum. I think you have actually moved up to my #1 scum Town mindset? Please explain how its a town mindset that bats has. And why am I scum? This is my frist prod. Now lets look at the questions he asks. Interested in why bats is town (cool fine) interested in why "he is scum" , not "why are you reading me scum" Now the reason i am reading him scum for these 2 posts is because of how he approches the situation. Its very early day 1, and its "we can't scum read oats for this" yet "i agree he over reacted" how ever "i think he joked" you kinda see the ebb and flow of this guys play. And this kind of talking is going to be very repetitive and not productive for town. He isn't taking a stance on situations, he is giving himself room for error, its overtly cautious play. Now the reason for quoting his soft / hard claim. I find his commenting on oats combined with his claim contradicting. He has an asap claim (after slam) that he is VT. (so he is following in the foot steps of someone else) Then admits the only one option to claim and that's VT, and is against that bats did anything helpful. (and bats is likely scummy for doing so) Yet he doesn't actually calls bat scum for it. "it is a perfect excuse for scum to say" He isn't calling bats scum, he is just saying bats could be scum for making that play. There fore he isn't taking a stance on bats. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:38 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 01:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Holyflare, Storrzerg, batsnacks team calling it nao
Gimme dat baller shot caller épée-
Wait this is not OMGUS.net Id take out hf because I agree with his points on hopeless. Commenting on slams scum team. He takes out HF for agreeing with hopeless, yet he really hasn't said much on myself. Sure he has all ready called bats as "maybe scum" Yet he hasn't talked about me at all. If anything this points to an omgus reaction to me calling him out. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 09:37 liancourt wrote:
From day 1 what I'm getting is
oats just over reacting
OO acting strangely i admit
hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF
I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. I really don't like this post, its a generalization of whats going on, with no effort to further the game. He has been against RNG lynch, but is "coming around" on the lead wagon with "OO" is strange sure... Again, he doesn't have a case of his own, or pushing anyone he thinks is scummy. Just content with small town reads here and there, 1 liners. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?
You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. He was asked a direct question of who he thinks are scum. And the response is in its basic form, a list post full with null kinda towns strange iffy, and 2 inactive people as possible mafia. This is scummy play. Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:On October 07 2014 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.
So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I'll have to read storr's filter then. So do we just leave the 2 people to keep not talking? I don't know about you but I lean more towards scum reading those who make excuses for their inactivity and what not than reading them as null. I guess you could say it's the same reasoning behind why I don't like randm voting. I can't get what they're thinking if they vote random or do nothing. Just makes me think they're low lying scum. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. Questioned again on who his scum are and the big thing that points out is "i don't think i ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO" How ever by the virtue of his list post he did. He points out as OO being possible town, and then STRANGE. And ends with 3 scum within palmar damd storr" More overly defensive posting, and avoiding of finding scum. So liancourt is content with asking questions, giving light town reads, as a claimed vt, he is unwilling to actually pressure anyone. #LYNCHWITHFIRE
##Vote liancourt
So basically what you're saying is that I'm indecisive and unsure and that makes me scum. I pressured BH and that doesn't count now?
Oh and
Vote ObviousOne
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On October 08 2014 01:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 01:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 01:24 Holyflare wrote:On October 08 2014 01:23 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 08 2014 00:34 Holyflare wrote:On October 07 2014 22:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
HF can you confirm/quote OO saying he doesnt care to play scum, I cant find it. totally misremembered what he said but I looked it up and it was that he has no idea what to do as scum and that the one time he played it he just bussed dp and did nothing else all game, I mixed it up with his general inactivity that game and voila! He's still a very good lynch though. u srs.. On October 08 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
his original scum reads were based on good reasons, people siding on the rng wagon and then doing nothing which he's subsequently updated and poe'd people down to those 3/4 So he told people why they were scummy, they stopped doing the things that made them scum so now they are not scum. That..is way too straightforward. so sue me, it's my read and i'm sticking to it Seriously, how trivial are lian's reads? He runs a check for If (Vote RNG candidate), Scum Else, Town That's an updated read? Are you fucking shitting me HF? He came up with the idea that being on an rng wagon would be a very convenient place to hide because then people are just following a rng post and they don't give any information, that IS scummy and is the correct thing to point out. Then, when people who he is scum reading start to interact more and flesh out things he drops that scum read because it goes against what he was originally saying. He continues to scum read BH because he hasn't played with BH and what BH does is terrible=scummy, hearing a million people say it is in fact null moved him to seriously reconsider his stance on BH from scummy to null. His read on oats was before most people even said anything about oats and gave oats room to express more things and in fact showed better reading comprehension than me/batsnacks etc etc. The only weird thing is the OO thing and I'd much rather he explained himself out fully on this instead because I envisage that another skydragon event will occur. Just because you disagree with his thought process does not mean that it is quite evidently there.
This.
Sends shivers down my spine as to how accurate you are on my thought processes.
I push BH then god knows millions others come in defending him saying oh it's not "allignment indicative" so I back off. I'm not a stubborn man, I'm a simple man I can be convinced to think the other way. The thing with OO lets see I voted him against my principles of following the random vote. I got convinced that it shouldn't really matter matter whether he is a random vote or not so there you have it.
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On October 08 2014 01:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
@liancourt:
can we get an updated read of
- Grack based on filter content, not his vote history
- Slam in general
- BH's re: push to continue to lynch OO
I'm going to assume you OMGUS Storr.
I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town.
Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town.
Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content.
Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff.
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