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On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
btw bh is also mafia
Tell me why hf
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I honestly think BH is the most towny bh i've seen before. looking at his scum games this looks completely different, so really want hf to elaborate.
though hf could be mafia here
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Obi just bust out some reads on people right now, bleed town if you are town.
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On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote:On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
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yeh HF is town
Obi probably scum Explain your reasoning pls. I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy. And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr? The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility. The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me. And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now. No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow. And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment. Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you? Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis: 1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon. Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things? 2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack? The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls. Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact. Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy. I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked. honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway b) the only alternative was yourself so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory. I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad. All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions. If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from. what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me. I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me. give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you. Because I am town and they are not me. Qed. ugh I meant give me something that makes them scum. I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly. Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally.
Obviously i'm going to update my reads as we get closer to day break and even though i've asked lots of questions i've given a couple town reads even if some of them are lacking. OO was policy but had scummy things going on just what it was. Anyway, you did try to derail the lynch and backpedaled out of it so you deserve a little of the pressure just be town obi and you won't get lynched today, never known you to get this upset about pressure before though.
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On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again.
In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon.
I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so.
Ok obi, just for arguments sake i'll take the stance that you were making a joke because you did not like the policy lynch. Could you elaborate on the bolded portion of this post for me.
Just a quick explanation of who you would want to lynch tomorrow and why, was it just hf or someone else.
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I don't mind being on your list hf, i've been kind of lazy the past day and a half i'll bleed town soon as i get on a comp and reread and post some reads.
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BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread.
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On October 07 2014 12:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred/lion, mostly.
Opinions on them?
You say that you want to talk about myself and lion a bit, and you say this but then you barely mention us again. You do talk to me a bit but you never really discuss anything about us with other people and you just drop what you want to talk about really quickly without even developing reads on us it looks like.
On October 07 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I think Grack is town.
It's a hard thing for me to explain but I like the way he's interacting with me and the way he words his posts.
This is pretty cool, Grack is a decent town read. But you rescend the town reads based on something pretty arbitrary to you
On October 08 2014 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +I was under the impression that obi had actually read the thread and was about to...do...things, once he'd gotten people to drop the RNG discussion. Evidently I was wrong. Obi do you have any reads based on...reading? Ye. Kelsier is definitely in my town circle after his last few posts. I liked how he approached the Holyflare/me fight (wait for him to catch up, he can't formulate reads while you're attacking him, etc) because it feels like he's trying to figure out what my angle is specifically, rather than immediately jumping to conclusions about what I'm doing based on how I interacted with the BH nonsense. Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) Holyflare's filter is basically him just blowing up useless stuff, IE me "not doing anything," getting mad at me for trying to get people off of BH's nonsense, blowing up Oats' claim stuff. I really don't see a whole lot of "useful" from his filter, and it looks like he's fixating on nothing but silly shit.
The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy.
Also, I rescind my townread on Grack. Not reading the thread =/= alignment indicative, but he pushes me based on the fact that I didn't know whether or not he called BH town. It's an incredibly superficial push and I don't like it.Like...I know two of my scumreads are based on omgus, but I feel like both of them are stupid enough to warrant it. I don't feel confident reading any other players right now. Looking back, I don't feel confident making many reads based on the few pages that I missed. I feel like I hit the most important topic that I wanted to cover (the people who were pushing the random voters) and I developed my reads off of it. I still want to see more from Batsnacks and BH and I'd prefer to interact with them before formulating reads on either of them.
You wanted to talk about Lian earlier but did not at all until this list post that contained him. tell me more what you think about him, is he scummy from what hes done in the thread? Do you just not like how he approached the vote? Was it understandable for him to feel weird going along with a policy lynch at that point? You say that you didn't like it but there is not much of a conclussion drawn from it, its pretty open ended where are you ending up on him.
Why should you rescend a town case on grack at this point for something so arbitrary if someone is pushing you for bad reasons they could still be town. It does not change what they did earlier, is he still scum to you now/
On October 08 2014 11:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again.
In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon.
I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so. what targets do you even have? Holyflare, maybe Grack. Mostly Holyflare.
These are the two targets that i've found. Could you elaborate if i missed anymore (really its one since grack is a maybe)
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On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG.
Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part.
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Then talk about lian then, since you were interested in talking about him obi and he was in your list post and what he did didn't sit well with you but you still fail to mention him again and i can't find him in your filter.
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On October 09 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote:
BH seems interested, and is actually doing things and pushing his lynch today. Normally when hes scum in almost every scum game i've seen or read, he makes excuses complains and only posts during the time hes not "busy". here he is the opposite he has been in the thread, has argued not complained and not made excuses for his absence plus he did lynch scum oo day one and put rng on him even before he made his entrance into the thread. You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Probably that point wasn't clear since I didn't talk much about it. I know that he doesn't choose who to rng, but as scum it would be safer for him to change who gets rng'd instead of someone who is their scum partner the rest of the meta case is the same i just shouldn't of put in that one part. he'd look scummy if he changed it because it's the same as he always does
Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life
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So how are you reading loan mow obi? I know you didn't like how he used his vote but why not cop check him? Is he scummy or not to you
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The only reason i keep asking obi is that i'm on my phone and its getting really hard to find anything and trying to filter dive so if you could link me to the post where your read is if i missed it it would be really appreciated so i could quit wasteing both of our times
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The thing I noticed about Lian is that he's withholding his vote on OO because of "principles." (????) Aside from harping on the BH shit which didn't mean anything, I don't like how he's arbitrarily holding out on voting for someone he perceives as scummy.
If you mean this, I have a few problems with it. Like whats your conclusion besides you do not like it based on his filter and everything else. And why would you seem surprised or against hat he deserves to get cop checked?
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Right now obi I feel like you are half answering everything or just pointing people to go read your filter where most of everything is half answers or reads without many conclussions. I know your under a lot of pressure right now and my filter isn't any better, but you are dodging half of what i said still. And ok you did answer part of what I said and it was a misinterpretation by me
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Its true bats you can never be sure those time machines are serious business....though thanks for the explanation bh.
I'm not sure what to make of obi right now, i think its probably in the best entrance of the thread to just ignore him and look elsewhere
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Hopeless if you survive the night who are you pushing. And your answer to bats is great
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If I was a medic I might save hf tonight maybe..... Anyway I reread you after a bit obi and I gave you to hard a time I think I wanted more concrete things from you when nothing was really to solid in the thread and wanted you to use labels. So sorry about that I think you could be town obi especially with how you stayed and faught your lynch back or at least for tommoeow
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I'm pretty sure Liam is scum right now, he has a few towny things but most of his early stuff was fighting against the rng lynch without much other content, he gave a bad list post and his scum reads didn't seem to have much thought behind it, and some of his reads don't seem to flow very well
Last scum I'm not to sure on it, still rereading a few people
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When hopeless gets back could you answer what changed inbetween wanting to lynch myself and Lian near eod towards loan and lel for bitching?
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