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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 04:54 Grackaroni wrote: Not particularly but I like trying to guess smurfs Your first post is a post I don't see a new player making. I am from somewhere else. So in a way I am new but not new. Take what you will. So guess the smurf game is over. How should a new player post? Hi i am new here lets be friends? | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 05:12 Grackaroni wrote: No they would put a lot of thought into whether they should claim. I guess so to whoever is new to mafia it would be true. But really is there anything but town you can claim. You cant claim seer for obvious reasons | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote: Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically I smell fish | ||
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liancourt
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1. That there were relevant information in the discussion so as to dismiss everything -> RNG 2. The discussion indeed was bollocks so he wanted to renew. Now I'm inclined to think as mafia you'd want to steer away from discussion involving one of your own. But as town as long as there is discussion it doesn't really matter whether it's bad or productive so long as you can get some form of information. I'm still iffy on BH. It's much more plausible for him to be mafia and spin the wheel of fortune as it has a lesser chance of getting a mafia. On the odd chance that it does land on one he doesn't have to push the lynch for it to just dissolve in the discussion but it's strange he keeps pushing OO for the lynch. Yes, he has been acting strangely I do admit that, but I can't help but think it's so convenient for the mafia to use this strategy. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote: I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. exactly 0 accountability. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This. This is an incredibly dumb statement. If BH is actually scum, this is most certainly not why. Cosidering he said 3/13 before I just overlooked it and took no real meaning to it. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: What angle are you working here, exactly? I'm on the side that you really can't scrutinize votes if they're random. Whether they follow it and made the RNG vote themselves the reason will be oh it's just random. No backlash. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? nailed it | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:48 Blazinghand wrote: This is a fairly relevant question. I'd like to take this moment to note, liancourt, that I do this all the time as town because it is objectively a good strategy. I'm pretty sure I've done it as scum too (Though I can't think of the game where I did it now) but that's cause as scum I try to play to my town meta, not because this is something I do as scum. RNG is, in my personal opinion, very good. You may disagree, but unless you can demonstrate that I personally don't think RNG is good (a hard thing to demonstrate given that I always use it) I don't see how you can paint my choice to use this scumhunting tactic as scum-motivated. so you do this all the time so I'm meant to believe it's legit? Ofc I cant demonstrate whether it's a good strat or not but I can only give you the reason I've said before that's it's basically against the town's favor in terms of probability and that I can't see a way you can get any reads using this method. I see more danger following this method if you were scum than doing any good it will come from you being town as I see in my honest opinion more advs for scum than town using this method. If you can convince me otherwise I'm willing to go along with it. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 08:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well you're wrong. It might be a scum-sided strategy but I've seen BH do it as town. In fact, I'm pretty sure the exact post that he used was pretty much copy pasted from Noir 2, a game that I played with him. So there's no way that post can be purely scum motivated. If you keep bringing past games up on me I can't exactly empathize with you mate. So I'm solely basing it on this game and how I feel about it. All I'm saying is there's more potential for abuse than it will do good. It's like a nuclear bomb. It has the potential to do much worse things than being used as a source of peacekeeper device. I hope this analogy is correct | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 09:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The issue isn't that you called it a bad strategy, because it is. The issue is that you said he could only be scum for suggesting such a strategy, which is factually incorrect. In my eyes why would town pick a bad strat to play with. Oh wait BH believes it's a good strat. Bad strats a bad strat and believing it a good strat just makes me wonder. And as mentioned he's played it before as town and as scum so who's to believe he's playing it as town this time around. | ||
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liancourt
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oats just over reacting OO acting strangely i admit hopeless iffy and hasn't responded to HF I can't seem to get anything else meaningful except for the fact that damdred and gracks seem to be only questioning others and not really saying anything themselves. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 09:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Who's to say he's only doing it as scum this time around? This question goes both ways. Is the poisoned wine in front of me or you? | ||
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liancourt
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Much like following the random lynch. You can't really say they are scum or town because they are just following random votes. But I'm inclined to think those following the random lynch don't want to be read. And I'm almost forced to think that thos epeople who don't want to be read are those that scum. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Who's following the random lynch liancourt? Batsnacks, I am utterly sorry for the abuse I heaped on you and your plan yesterday. I went on and on and on totally unreasonably. My bad. Your plan was fine. Hf, I called grack probably town because he's the only other one that jokingly claimed. Obvious One (3): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni kinda out there in plain sight | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 11:05 Alakaslam wrote: I have seen this same dumb shut storm in 5 games already. 3 in which I played. Liancourt I now know, you are not a smurf. Care to elaborate? | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 14:34 Holyflare wrote: uhhhh something to lian when you wake up, why did you go from town reading bh to thinking his rng thing was actually really scummy? I think I said his posts seem legit which makes me feel he is town, but his method (RNG)is just meh...a strat more advantageous for scum to be using. But apparently everyone thinks BH's strat is just his standardized play. I'm at a crossroads here. | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 14:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because we hit 20 pages by the end of the first half of the day, and from the looks of the early game and BH's random lynching, I was under the impression that nothing of great importance happened. You're acting like one of two good townreads are super important, and they're not. We have 14 players. That's not enough. We need more. If you're really going to get your panties in a bunch about this, I'll go and reread the entire game and say stuff. two good town reads? Who are they? | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 15:53 Oatsmaster wrote: The obi stuff is interesting. He doesn't defend himself in any meaningful, rational way. Just gets irrationally angry and hf and starts a fight. I would expect scum to not be so foolish and actually defend themself with better stuff. Too bad to be scum is my current read. Keilsar or whatever his name is is scummy for reasons. So is oo. I think there's definitely scum in the lurkers so lynching into there is fine. Liencourt never responded to my question  Sorry what question was that? | ||
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liancourt
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On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote: Just to update on HF. I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy. Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy. Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia. Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it. Although I do agree HF's coming out seemed abrupt, I can't say obi was asking questions that much. He was mainly talking with me defending BH. And his filter is full of defend the BH posts. I don't think he really accused me of anything either and just defended the RNG strat. | ||
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