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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 29 2014 20:23 GMT
#300
On September 30 2014 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:
So GlowingBear, the reason you stood out as a potential jester was your aggressive voting. It's a mistake I've made as jester as well, and it's an easy one to make. Basically, as jester you think, "I want to be lynched. An easy way to do this would be to pick a fight and then 'lose' the argument and get lynched. Alternatively, people will be suspicious of aggressive voting and go after me anyways"-- and this logic is basically correct. But think about how a townie looks at things in this game. If you're a VT, you see a confirmed town and 3 other players claiming to be VT. One of those players is a VT, and you don't want to lynch him. One of them is a Jester, and you definitely don't want to lynch him. Lastly, there's the scum, who you want to lynch. However, not only is the scum trying not to get lynched, the jester is trying to get lynched. Even worse, it's instant majority. If you cast a vote on a townie, and so does someone else, Mafia can hammer in a moment and it's game over.

As town, you're scared to vote. Scared shitless. You want all your ducks in a row before you even try anything, because even 2 votes on the wrong target is an instant loss. Basically, the only way town wins is if all three townies-- the 2 VTs and the BoxeR-- vote together on the mafia. The Jester will only help by accident, you can't rely on him.

So as a townie, throwing around a vote seems like a silly thing to do. If you see someone doing it, you don't even think it's mafia (who would rather be seen as a non-voter, then swoop in to hammer a townie). No, if someone is flinging around votes, they're probably a jester. It's not a certain thing, but it shows how something that seems like a reasonable move (picking fights) to a jester, seems like a jester-tell to town.


I'll read it with more attention when I get out of work.

Thanks for the game, BH
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 29 2014 21:13 GMT
#304
On September 29 2014 14:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2014 13:55 Chairman Ray wrote:
If GB was Jester, he would be playing it too obviously.

GB had an anti-town read on FF, me, and VE. He jumped straight to conclusions and says the game is almost solved, without making cases on us or trying to convince others. This says he wants to jump on people without getting them lynched.

GB also plays a bit weirdly, like not to his previous town-meta or scum-meta, and also drunk posting. This says he's trying to make us take him less seriously. Less likely for us to lynch into the people he ever reads.

However with someone of GB's skill level, this doesn't seem likely. I would imagine that jester would just play to their scum meta; subtle enough for people not to think it is forced, and obvious enough that people would scumread him. I don't see a jester playing jester this hard.

I think it's more likely that GB is the mafia. My read on him right now is about 50% mafia, 30% jester, 20% town.

This is where I'm at, but more like 60% M, 20% J, 10% T. Like, I just don't think a Jester tries this hard to get lynched. Look at how GB's primary concern is getting a lynch on someone that's not himself - it's just really not good play if he's a Jester. Or really GOOD play, depending on your perspective, I mean if he's a Jester then he's doing a decent job of convincing ME that he's not, and to lynch him.


GODDAMN I HATE YOU TOWN!
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 30 2014 04:39 GMT
#311
On September 30 2014 05:18 Blazinghand wrote:
So GlowingBear, the reason you stood out as a potential jester was your aggressive voting. It's a mistake I've made as jester as well, and it's an easy one to make. Basically, as jester you think, "I want to be lynched. An easy way to do this would be to pick a fight and then 'lose' the argument and get lynched. Alternatively, people will be suspicious of aggressive voting and go after me anyways"-- and this logic is basically correct. But think about how a townie looks at things in this game. If you're a VT, you see a confirmed town and 3 other players claiming to be VT. One of those players is a VT, and you don't want to lynch him. One of them is a Jester, and you definitely don't want to lynch him. Lastly, there's the scum, who you want to lynch. However, not only is the scum trying not to get lynched, the jester is trying to get lynched. Even worse, it's instant majority. If you cast a vote on a townie, and so does someone else, Mafia can hammer in a moment and it's game over.

As town, you're scared to vote. Scared shitless. You want all your ducks in a row before you even try anything, because even 2 votes on the wrong target is an instant loss. Basically, the only way town wins is if all three townies-- the 2 VTs and the BoxeR-- vote together on the mafia. The Jester will only help by accident, you can't rely on him.

So as a townie, throwing around a vote seems like a silly thing to do. If you see someone doing it, you don't even think it's mafia (who would rather be seen as a non-voter, then swoop in to hammer a townie). No, if someone is flinging around votes, they're probably a jester. It's not a certain thing, but it shows how something that seems like a reasonable move (picking fights) to a jester, seems like a jester-tell to town.


Wow, this is a very well done analysis. I completely understand and agree with you in every sense.
It crossed my mind that voting could be too much, but it wasn't really clear why. Now I completely get it after what you just said.

Maybe if I kept aggressive and not voting would be better.

Btw, funny thing: I started aggressive because that is what I do as town in every game. I probably got too overwhelmed.
I hope I get the chance of playing this set up again.
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